Alex~ I'm happy to send some to you! I'm busy since 3am this morning, but after my run today, I promise!
Pierre ~ it's the same everywhere, it seems - for us it's the Vietnamese and South American. I have no problem with any group of people, but it's tense sometimes. There are whole shopping centers and areas around Atlanta where you can easily forget you are in the United States. It's sad for any people to lose their language and culture. I do not feel good around any large city here for some time. I have the intention to relocate before the end of the year to escape this. I crave more open spaces and less buildings.
9/11 Ten years later what is your feeling about
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rafale - iam curious what you will send me. And regarding the other issue: you have to move to the rich suburbs!
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The area I live in now is very good, but Atlanta seems to be growing every day and swallows even the better areas, eventually. It's such a shame. The big problem is the public transportation. It's not in my city, yet, but now I am seeing some public buses running in the county that my city is within. I prefer we do not make it easy for those without the ability to purchase a vehicle to come in and out of this area.
http://www.civilwar.org/battlefields/gettysburg.html
Gettysburg lasted for two day, and was the deadliest day in American history on the first day. No other day have so many Americans lost their lives. The fascinating thing about our civil war, it was not about religion, or to overthrow a government. It was not a matter of two different clans or ethnicities within a country - as most other civil wars around the world are. This was about principle, and values. It was about a ways of life. Many people reduce the war to a battle over the legality of slavery, but this was one of several issues that lead to the war.
This year we celebrate the 150 year anniversary -and the interesting thing - there are some die-hards here in the south that will never stop flying the Confederate Flag so long as they have breath. In the mountain area in north Georgia, for example, you can drive through some towns and see only confederate flags, no US flags. This war runs deep, and still in the blood of many. It's not easily forgotten because it literally divided families to fight against one another - brother against brother.
The Confederate States were particularly successful until the battle of Gettysburg. It was the turning point of the war...
Other interesting Battles:
Shiloh: http://www.civilwaralbum.com/shiloh/
Kennesaw (I often run here, up the mountain. I love the nature and the history. I feel I can hear the soldiers footsteps) - http://ngeorgia.com/history/kennesawmtn.html
Cold Harbor (my great-great-great grandfather was wounded here, but fought in Grant's Army all the way to the surrender of the confederates) - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Cold_Harbor
Kennesaw was the last stronghold protecting Atlanta. Sherman eventually captured Atlanta, and burned it to the ground. From there, he marched all the way to the Sea- to Savannah, Georgia - burning and destroying the railroads on his way. The South was decimated. If you have never seen "Gone with the Wind"... it's supposed to be a bit of a love story, in a way, but it's an excellent history of this time... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnEZrV_WT44
It's all I can muster! I am beat! Nap time
http://www.civilwar.org/battlefields/gettysburg.html
Gettysburg lasted for two day, and was the deadliest day in American history on the first day. No other day have so many Americans lost their lives. The fascinating thing about our civil war, it was not about religion, or to overthrow a government. It was not a matter of two different clans or ethnicities within a country - as most other civil wars around the world are. This was about principle, and values. It was about a ways of life. Many people reduce the war to a battle over the legality of slavery, but this was one of several issues that lead to the war.
This year we celebrate the 150 year anniversary -and the interesting thing - there are some die-hards here in the south that will never stop flying the Confederate Flag so long as they have breath. In the mountain area in north Georgia, for example, you can drive through some towns and see only confederate flags, no US flags. This war runs deep, and still in the blood of many. It's not easily forgotten because it literally divided families to fight against one another - brother against brother.
The Confederate States were particularly successful until the battle of Gettysburg. It was the turning point of the war...
Other interesting Battles:
Shiloh: http://www.civilwaralbum.com/shiloh/
Kennesaw (I often run here, up the mountain. I love the nature and the history. I feel I can hear the soldiers footsteps) - http://ngeorgia.com/history/kennesawmtn.html
Cold Harbor (my great-great-great grandfather was wounded here, but fought in Grant's Army all the way to the surrender of the confederates) - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Cold_Harbor
Kennesaw was the last stronghold protecting Atlanta. Sherman eventually captured Atlanta, and burned it to the ground. From there, he marched all the way to the Sea- to Savannah, Georgia - burning and destroying the railroads on his way. The South was decimated. If you have never seen "Gone with the Wind"... it's supposed to be a bit of a love story, in a way, but it's an excellent history of this time... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnEZrV_WT44
It's all I can muster! I am beat! Nap time
omnia vincit amor
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rafale wrote:Hahaha!! I didn't think anyone was still making some of these comments! Read the news much?!
Top Ten countries we import oil from:
1. Canada
2. Mexico
3. Saudi Arabia
4. Venezuela
5. Nigeria
6. Angola
7. Iraq
8. Algeria
9. United Kingdom
10. Brazil
Furthermore, if you think an increase of oil supply from Iraq or any nation will influence the price, then it's a clear sign you have no grasp on basic economics or even how the price per barrel is determined. You think Bush "stole" this oil??? Then why is Iraq not higher on the list?
Bush weakened us, and he tripled our governments spending, he's an idiot, I'm not defending his presidency, and if you want to set up a "bash bush" forum, I'll be your number one contributor. However, to think the president, or even congress, has any ability to effect the price of oil is just asinine.
Of course we did not go to Iraq for 9/11... there is another country called AFGHANISTAN - we went there instead (also a mistake since we not plan to abandon this mission) to chase Bin Laden. Of course it was not for weapons of mass destruction. Of course it was largely political, but not because the US is strong-arming another nation and taking it's oil like some school bully stealing everyone's lunch money. This war put us in DEBT! The true gain came to other nations.... Saudi for one.... and truly the majority people in Iraq. Saddam did not have WMD's, but he was a war criminal, and committed genocide. Really, I WISH we would take the oil.... HALF of it, at least, until what we have spent is repaid in full! Saudi wanted this, the faction in Iraq wanted this, so pay up!
To blame Saddams removal on any upheaval in this country shows a lack of historical knowledge of the indigenous peoples. They have been warring since before Biblical time, not because we took out their madman leader. Also, other than ISRAEL, Iraq is, sadly, one of the more stable countries not affected by this "Arab Spring"...
I can't comment from experience on Iraq as far as personal safety - I have been only as close as Kuwait - however, I read extensively the news from this area of the world, and there is actually LESS terrorism and crimes against humanity now than in the past. Perhaps some of you are more well-travelled in this area, and know something I do not.
Despite all this, of course I do not think we should have gone to Iraq. We have a history of taking on the world's villains and for it we get nothing but lost lives and a lot of lip from the weaklings we have to defend (FRANCE). If it were up to me, we would worry about our own boarders and the few nations that ARE spawning serious risk (Iran, North Korea, Yemen, Algeria) and let everyone else save their own skins.
I work for the government and I know the backdoor dealing that is going on.
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Every country on earth is doing some back deals.alexus wrote:I work for the government and I know the backdoor dealing that is going on.
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It 's clear ! Why not ? We are in a world like that and nobody will never punish them !
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We do it on all levels, not just national. People make back deals with each other, in the work place, among peers. Organizations - even reputable charitable ones - make back deals. Companies make back deals. Part of this is human nature. We are always jockeying for position in this world on some level, even if we do not realize it.
The faster we can accept this as part of who we are, the less jaded we will become!
The faster we can accept this as part of who we are, the less jaded we will become!
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The faster we can accept this as part of who we are, the less jaded we will become!
I have a serious doubt about the fact the US government do it one day with an honest mind ! But we can dream about it of course !
PW
I have a serious doubt about the fact the US government do it one day with an honest mind ! But we can dream about it of course !
PW
"For 16 years WCX is a fortress resisting the changes of the internet and the hatred of morons.Thanks to the fans having always supported me but also those discovering me today. It's together that we will go the furthest !!!"
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I will kick myself for resurrecting this topic. It's not my field of Science (I'm a biologist) but I found it interesting. However, my "gut" tells me it's some coincidence until we can see this result repeated enough times to offer some significant proof.
http://leyline.org/dean/wtc0921.html
Essentially, it seems that on a global scale, many people had a bad feeling or "premonition" prior to the first plane hitting, if you believe the results of Dr Radin....
If I were one to believe in the particular conspiracy theories strongly enough to include them in a book (like someone we know!), I might quote this study as some proof that there was a significant number of Americans privy to the details of the attack prior to it happening, and that the "premonition" is not some "sixth sense" but actually a result of prior knowledge....
I don't believe this, myself, but see I am so helpful to PW's point
Ok, Now I will let this die.
http://leyline.org/dean/wtc0921.html
Essentially, it seems that on a global scale, many people had a bad feeling or "premonition" prior to the first plane hitting, if you believe the results of Dr Radin....
If I were one to believe in the particular conspiracy theories strongly enough to include them in a book (like someone we know!), I might quote this study as some proof that there was a significant number of Americans privy to the details of the attack prior to it happening, and that the "premonition" is not some "sixth sense" but actually a result of prior knowledge....
I don't believe this, myself, but see I am so helpful to PW's point
Ok, Now I will let this die.
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Rafale,
I am sorry but I will keep this topic a little longer alive and it is your own fault because
1) Your comments regarding 9/11 and the reasons why your country invaded Iraq are according to me spot on. I was so impressed I had to react.
But being a citizen of a European country I think we should thank American Presidents (including Bush) as their politic of imperialism protects us against (potential) danger coming from Iraq, Nord Korea etc. But if I would be a citizen of the US then for sure I would have problems with someone like Bush but that has to do with ethical points.
2) you motivated me to post more
I will not talk too much about the civil war as I am not educated enough on the topic but I found interesting to read. Just as an FYI, if you type " Blauwbloezen " in Google you will find some links to an excellent comic series on the civil war. It is supposed to be funny which off course the war was not but they managed to include some interesting facts and personalities from time to time.
Ok, need some sleep. It's 4am.
liabatyd
ps/ I hope you will be Rafale B soon again instead of C
pps/ one other thought that crosses my mind. When it comes to Iraq Europe very much like to talk about Bush as the Devil. It seems we forger B. Clinton was not bad as well in dropping boms. And then I even did not mention the one he had as a gift in Europe ... but ok his blow job P.R campaign was apparently very successful. Back to sex and what we all enjoy on this fantastic this website!
I am sorry but I will keep this topic a little longer alive and it is your own fault because
1) Your comments regarding 9/11 and the reasons why your country invaded Iraq are according to me spot on. I was so impressed I had to react.
But being a citizen of a European country I think we should thank American Presidents (including Bush) as their politic of imperialism protects us against (potential) danger coming from Iraq, Nord Korea etc. But if I would be a citizen of the US then for sure I would have problems with someone like Bush but that has to do with ethical points.
2) you motivated me to post more
I will not talk too much about the civil war as I am not educated enough on the topic but I found interesting to read. Just as an FYI, if you type " Blauwbloezen " in Google you will find some links to an excellent comic series on the civil war. It is supposed to be funny which off course the war was not but they managed to include some interesting facts and personalities from time to time.
Ok, need some sleep. It's 4am.
liabatyd
ps/ I hope you will be Rafale B soon again instead of C
pps/ one other thought that crosses my mind. When it comes to Iraq Europe very much like to talk about Bush as the Devil. It seems we forger B. Clinton was not bad as well in dropping boms. And then I even did not mention the one he had as a gift in Europe ... but ok his blow job P.R campaign was apparently very successful. Back to sex and what we all enjoy on this fantastic this website!