Jean, please don't speak like if you were there every day ...
I speak regularly with Ukrainian people and also Russians. What they say me is not like what we see in the news ...
That's the problem.

PW

PIERRE WOODMAN wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 14, 2022 10:01 pm

Jean, please don't speak like if you were there every day ...
I speak regularly with Ukrainian people and also Russians. What they say me is not like what we see in the news ...
That's the problem.

PW

So all the press of the world is lying, abdolutly all channels of the world do fake news and tell lies since 6 months, CNN, Fox news, LCI, ect, all what they show is not whats going on in Ukrain, sorry but it's a bit hard to swallow, gives names of the people that you spoke with, you know the journalist have the honor to put their name into their speech, here you talk people you talk with, hidden into Whatsapp and who explain you reality is X and not Y, it's difficult to swallow everything and also ignore testament of Ukrain parents who say that their children have been victim of this war on TV, you can't cheat the desper in those eyes, that's why i go émotive into this !

I'm leaving this thread and will not post again into it, my point of view is not in the same fréquency of the intervenants here, good debates guys

PIERRE WOODMAN wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 14, 2022 10:01 pm

Jean, please don't speak like if you were there every day ...
I speak regularly with Ukrainian people and also Russians. What they say me is not like what we see in the news ...
That's the problem.

PW

I agree with Jean. Besides why did you lock this thread before only allowing your own post and not give chance to others to say what they wanted before you posted the Russian propaganda again?

No offense but you having friends on both sides has nothing to do with what's politically and morally correct or not. Speaking to people on a whatsapp and listening what they say is very different from reality. Jean is correct. Nobody wants to do business with Russians and Putin fuck his own people in the ass now.

Recently a Russian woman win a marathon in Africa but she was denied access to the prize money. So who is to blame? Your fantastic dictator Putin you can thank for all this injustice. Not only Ukranians, but his own people. You always trying to give valuable lessons on why the Russians are doing something correct. Nobody cares this nonsense because they killed innocent people

Jean wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 14, 2022 10:14 pm

PIERRE WOODMAN wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 14, 2022 10:01 pm

Jean, please don't speak like if you were there every day ...
I speak regularly with Ukrainian people and also Russians. What they say me is not like what we see in the news ...
That's the problem.

PW

So all the press of the world is lying, abdolutly all channels of the world do fake news and tell lies since 6 months, CNN, Fox news, LCI, ect, all what they show is not whats going on in Ukrain, sorry but it's a bit hard to swallow, gives names of the people that you spoke with, you know the journalist have the honor to put their name into their speech, here you talk people you talk with, hidden into Whatsapp and who explain you reality is X and not Y, it's difficult to swallow everything and also ignore testament of Ukrain parents who say that their children have been victim of this war on TV, you can't cheat the desper in those eyes, that's why i go émotive into this !

Understand, Jean, that the question of belief or disbelief, is in religion!

You don't have to believe anyone! One must analytically verify any information. In today's information warfare, getting at the truth is extremely difficult. If you have a true desire to understand any issue, you do not want to be brazenly lied to or manipulated, you do not have just a personal dislike for the subject, any information must be able to process. This is of course very difficult in today's world of information warfare, there are many nuances. You have to try to gather information from different sources, especially those opposing each other in the information war. Not one of them will give you absolutely reliable information, but you will already understand that all is not so simple in this matter. Even in jurisprudence, information obtained from eyewitness testimony is always more important than, for example, the opinion of a journalist or publicist, but even these can be perjured. A person also draws his conclusions from his baggage of knowledge and life experience, his knowledge of the subject and the material, his level of education, his level of logical and analytical thinking and connections in expert circles. And even then his opinion, will be purely his personal opinion and subjective. Any member of this forum, including you, has exactly that opinion.
There is such wisdom. "In argument, truth is born." Discussions are very important, but only when they are backed by arguments, facts, and logical reasoning.

Here's Ursula von der Leyen yesterday, people asked her what they should do about their utility bill receipts. He sharply replied that: "Send them to Russia, to Putin!"
Do you realize, Jean, that by doing so she showed how much she despises her citizens. She despises you!!! She spits in your face, rubbing absolute nonsense in your face, thus making you look like fools. Do you like that? Or do you think she's right?
If you don't want to be lied to and manipulated, you must first learn to respect yourself.

Sharpshooter wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 14, 2022 10:37 pm

I agree with Jean. Besides why did you lock this thread before only allowing your own post and not give chance to others to say what they wanted before you posted the Russian propaganda again?

No offense but you having friends on both sides has nothing to do with what's politically and morally correct or not. Speaking to people on a whatsapp and listening what they say is very different from reality. Jean is correct. Nobody wants to do business with Russians and Putin fuck his own people in the ass now.

Recently a Russian woman win a marathon in Africa but she was denied access to the prize money. So who is to blame? Your fantastic dictator Putin you can thank for all this injustice. Not only Ukranians, but his own people. You always trying to give valuable lessons on why the Russians are doing something correct. Nobody cares this nonsense because they killed innocent people

And why was this Russian woman denied prize money? How do you explain that?
What has this particular Russian woman done wrong to you and your friends?
What about the Olympic principle, which you are the first to promote?
And what about your European values that you boast and chant on every corner from every rostrum?
Does that mean that you're just lycimers and liars?

Ahhhh, I get it, are Russians to you now just like Jews in the 30s and 40s of the 20th century? Actually everything is clear with you for a long time. As for your fake values, you can tell that bullshit to your buddies in the kitchens. No one in the rest of the world believes you. And you are just a third of the rest of the world, always lying and hypocritical. You are the ones who have long been discredited!

The SCO international summit starts today in Uzbekistan, and you will see where the rest of the world and Russia is with it!!!

Jean wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 14, 2022 10:14 pm

PIERRE WOODMAN wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 14, 2022 10:01 pm

Jean, please don't speak like if you were there every day ...
I speak regularly with Ukrainian people and also Russians. What they say me is not like what we see in the news ...
That's the problem.

PW

So all the press of the world is lying, abdolutly all channels of the world do fake news and tell lies since 6 months, CNN, Fox news, LCI, ect, all what they show is not whats going on in Ukrain, sorry but it's a bit hard to swallow, gives names of the people that you spoke with, you know the journalist have the honor to put their name into their speech, here you talk people you talk with, hidden into Whatsapp and who explain you reality is X and not Y, it's difficult to swallow everything and also ignore testament of Ukrain parents who say that their children have been victim of this war on TV, you can't cheat the desper in those eyes, that's why i go émotive into this !

OF COURSE ITS FAKE NEWS AND LIES!! What is fking wrong with you?
All "parents" and "witnesses" are actors to dupe the sheep. The SBU is in FULL control of the western Nazi press- where they film, what they film and who they speak to. You will even seen these "journalists" using identical words and propaganda framing.

CNN, Fox, LCI, DW, BBC are all Abrill Gerald (except Abrill is beautiful and thee pigs are ugly), PW is the American / NATO countries intelligence agencies. CNN etc are in a relationship with these intelligence agencies, enjoying very much getting submissive fucked by them/PW.

Do you get it? PW sex video with Abrill is exactly the sum of what these dishonest scumbag "journalists" are showing you. Every report they do on Ukraine they would be better off showing Abrill Gerald WUNF, because its the same message.

An American journalist was shot dead in Kiev during the opening weeks of the war. How did the West cover it? By making it unclear who shot him (it was one of the nutcases given a weapon, not serving in the military who decided to shoot him dead in his car, at a checkpoint, suspicious he was a Russian). They did this deception because they are the propaganda arm of NATO and Ukraine.

Brent Renaud

MVitaly5 wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 14, 2022 11:16 pm

Jean wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 14, 2022 10:14 pm

PIERRE WOODMAN wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 14, 2022 10:01 pm

Jean, please don't speak like if you were there every day ...
I speak regularly with Ukrainian people and also Russians. What they say me is not like what we see in the news ...
That's the problem.

PW

So all the press of the world is lying, abdolutly all channels of the world do fake news and tell lies since 6 months, CNN, Fox news, LCI, ect, all what they show is not whats going on in Ukrain, sorry but it's a bit hard to swallow, gives names of the people that you spoke with, you know the journalist have the honor to put their name into their speech, here you talk people you talk with, hidden into Whatsapp and who explain you reality is X and not Y, it's difficult to swallow everything and also ignore testament of Ukrain parents who say that their children have been victim of this war on TV, you can't cheat the desper in those eyes, that's why i go émotive into this !

Understand, Jean, that the question of belief or disbelief, is in religion!



Here's Ursula von der Leyen yesterday, people asked her what they should do about their utility bill receipts. He sharply replied that: "Send them to Russia, to Putin!"
Do you realize, Jean, that by doing so she showed how much she despises her citizens. She despises you!!! She spits in your face, rubbing absolute nonsense in your face, thus making you look like fools. Do you like that? Or do you think she's right?
If you don't want to be lied to and manipulated, you must first learn to respect yourself.

First of all great post Jean.

Second. The nerve to lecture about debating and everytime someone has a diferent opinion than you and claim Russia is not perfect you post this . How about you looking in the mirror sometime? Why do you accept Putin spitting in your face time and time again. Killing political opponents , allowing no critical media , enriching himself and his friends billions while sending out poor russian soldiers for little pay, poorly equipped as cannon fodder in Ukraine for no reason. Families not even knowing what happend to their loved ones because god forbid we should say this is a war. How can you allow yourself this. You have to learn to respect yourself so you can stand up to tyrants.

It is often helpful to look at the money side in human affairs, so who is making money out of this war ?

Russia is selling energy at top prices currently so a winner here.

The US are selling their LNG "Liquified Natural Gas" now in far higher volume to Europe and the European companies no longer have the advantage of "cheap" russian gas to compete with US products, so the US are another winner..

And as a country to have a conflict going on helps normally in domestic affairs, if Russia or the US...

just saying...

El Major wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 15, 2022 12:31 am

The nerve to lecture about debating and everytime someone has a diferent opinion than you and claim Russia is not perfect you post this . How about you looking in the mirror sometime?

Why should I write nasty things about my homeland? Why should I support lies about my country, my people, if they are lies?
Use your fucking brain sometimes...
Even if I'm somewhere, not objective in my assessment, and that's what I wrote about, that everyone here has a subjective point of view, I try to argue my point of view, attach some facts, and then lead a discussion with those with whom I disagree.
Create a thread about Russia, and believe me I will write about all the problems in Russia and my complaints about its leadership. (from my point of view!)

El Major wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 15, 2022 12:31 am

Why do you accept Putin spitting in your face time and time again. Killing political opponents , allowing no critical media , enriching himself and his friends billions while sending out poor russian soldiers for little pay, poorly equipped as cannon fodder in Ukraine for no reason. Families not even knowing what happend to their loved ones because god forbid we should say this is a war. How can you allow yourself this. You have to learn to respect yourself so you can stand up to tyrants.

Why are you lying?
Who told you this nonsense, where did you read it?
Have you been to Russia yourself, at least in the last ten years?

There is more freedom in Russia now than all of you put together. In Russia, until very recently, they never touched the Western media, even though the latter blatantly carried enemy propaganda. All opposition political forces are still working perfectly well, and no one is infringing on them (KPRF, SR-Zf PravdU). Even Navalny had been working in Russia for years, even though he made no secret of the fact that he had worked for Western grants, and nobody bothered him until he started committing one fraud after another under the guise of his activities, and was repeatedly given suspended sentences. The people of Russia were outraged.
One of the main grievances of the people of Russia against Putin is that he is too soft!!!!

You open your mouth and talk about the lack of freedom in Russia, have you even thought about what you have going on? I don't know what country you are from, it doesn't matter. You haven't had any freedom for a long time, not in the European Union, not in the United States. To talk about some kind of freedom in the U.S. is such a ridiculous nonsense about the real thing, that only idiots believe this crap! A country where just yesterday the police brutally beat a detainee again, a country where dozens of people are murdered every day, a country with the largest prison population in the world, a country where only two political parties operate and there is no alternative choice, and the representatives of these parties, are chosen by the financial magnates who lobby them, far from the common people.
In Europe, where protesters are dispersed with police batons and water cannons, where only a few countries have direct elections of the country's leaders. I could write about this forever, the question for you is: "Is this supposed to be your "freedom"? Well, at least you studied the subject before you opened your mouth!

What do you know about the Russian Army to write your nonsense?
I am a retired military officer. I lived through the crisis in Russia in the early 90s, when the army was virtually abandoned to its fate. None of this is even close to happening now! Russia's military now has one of the highest salaries, very many social guarantees. I was entitled to a military pension for the rest of my life at the age of 37!!!
The Russian Army is now one of the best armies in the world, if not the best, at least in terms of combat experience, that is for sure. And this is not my assessment, it's YOUR assessment!
The Russian Army is now fighting at 20% of its real capabilities in Ukraine against the entire NATO bloc! And winning! There is a whole contingent of the Russian Army in Syria and it is conducting successful actions against ISIS terrorists, conducting large-scale military exercises in the Far East and this when the Army is conducting military actions in Ukraine. It is elementary logic, put your brain to work and think about how invested Russia is in the war in Ukraine, while conducting military operations, although not quickly, but victoriously.
Now the Russian military registration and enlistment offices are accepting volunteers to serve in the special military operation in Ukraine. They conclude contracts with them, with salaries ranging from 250,000 to 300,000 rubles. This is a large salary by Russian standards! In addition to a huge number of social guarantees and insurance. And this is being carried out, I have personally checked that the family of a dead soldier received 5,000,000 rubles of lump sum insurance and will receive a survivor's pension.
Thus, there are long lines of volunteers at the military registration and enlistment offices in Russia who are ready to go to fight in Ukraine even without pay, because they know what they are doing and what they are going to fight for!

Your problem is that you have all your information about Russia from your lying sources and from the 90s, when Russia was in deep crisis.
I know this for a fact because I have many acquaintances in Europe and in the US who tell me that they constantly have to change their compatriots' minds and get rid of outdated stereotypes about Russia.
In 2018, I attended many of the World Cup matches held in Russia. I talked to many fans who came to Russia from different countries. They were amazed at the difference between what they were shown and told all the time about Russia and what they saw with their own eyes. They were amazed at the highest level of service, the quality of life in Russia. And the championship was held not only in Moscow, but in many cities in Russia!

If you don't know shit about Russia today, why open your mouth and write outright nonsense?
I wrote about Ursula von der Leyen's remarks because it can be easily verified to be true, but where are your arguments to back up your words?