Marksy wrote:Are the French really this inane about this issue or is it just the bald guy babbling?

We are having a civil debate, that's all. Many people - even some Americans - have this thinking. The right thing to do is use fact, and not stray to insults.

PIERRE, RAFALE, please do not fight because I love you and I do not like to see this ........ and there's always someone who takes advantage and throws gasoline on the fire ......

rafale wrote: We are having a civil debate, that's all. Many people - even some Americans - have this thinking. The right thing to do is use fact, and not stray to insults.

I think this debate can continue a long time. the only one interesting to me is how amazing is the relation between that terrorist attack, that is sad and the dead of innocent people is always a pity, and the way world changed after it.
in europe we had terrorist attacks before.mostly in UK concerning North Ireland and in France concerning Algeria.
but we didn't devasted half of the world since that.
but obviously we don't have disney parks to build

totoro wrote:that is sad and the dead of innocent people is always a pity, and the way world changed after it.

This is why it should not be discussed on a porn forum. It's pretty disrespectful. I know our cultures are a bit different when it comes to defending ourselves. I prefer end this as I said many times, but it's not possible 4,000 of my brothers and sisters are dead and I can sit back and let someone continue to spit on their graves with these accusations.

totoro wrote:in europe we had terrorist attacks before.mostly in UK concerning North Ireland and in France concerning Algeria.
but we didn't devasted half of the world since that.

Half the world? I guess on French terms, Afghanistan is a relatively large country... and we did some damage in that compound in Pakistan, too, so I guess that counts...

You know, Totoro, you cannot compare the scale of this attack to any bombing of the IRA. You forget all the smaller attacks we endured prior to invading Afghanistan. Sorry but it's not our style to "sit back" and take it.

No one here was un-wounded. When this many people are injured, killed, or effected in some way, it touches every one of us. Myself, my cousin worked in the towers. She was on her honeymoon the day of the attack. It makes me sick, still, when I think of this. She lost many people dear to her. Everyone has some story like this - or far, far worse.

This debate is not about Iraq (we were there before 9/11, and they are not related). It's not about weather we had the "right" to enter Afghanistan (interestingly, no one even mentions it here, they just talk about Iraq... maybe they are low on facts and it's just a topic filler...). It's about determining if my government killed my people. From the start, I see the same mundane material claiming to be fact regurgitated from the old conspiracy sites... all of which have been debunked. So, it's a little frustrating to see so many people have not bothered to update themselves on the current science available. That's what this is about.

totoro wrote:but obviously we don't have disney parks to build

Don't be so hard on yourself! There HAS to be something in France worth reproducing....

ladyoscar.h wrote:PIERRE, RAFALE, please do not fight because I love you and I do not like to see this ........ and there's always someone who takes advantage and throws gasoline on the fire ......

Don't worry, Dear! Its not a fight now, we are not being ugly, everything civil and focused on the facts. Still I rather talk about how horny I am, since it's a porn forum.

pierre c'est pas possible, ca fait je ne sais pas combien de fois que quand on ecrit un long texte, on se fait deconnecter sans moyen de recuperer le texte, il faut changer ça.
well rafale. I wrote you a long text explaining I was sorry for your cousin, I was not believing in those conspiracy stories and really don't want to attack american people when telling my discord with the reaction from Bush administration but my login quit so I must sum it up and wish you a good horny day
and for french\english arguments about conspiracy, the link that explains everything
http://www.conspiracywatch.info/

Not a fight just we put our arguments on table, Rafale has never been disrespectfull to anyone here and we just "speak" !

PW

Molto bene sono contenta

So everyone is content, it's a good place to be!

First of all I am impressed by the contribution of Monsieur Woodman to this forum, it is something that deserves a big appreciation. Secondly, sorry for necromancing this old thread but while reading joyfully through the pages I found this topic, arguement seemed a bit interesting and wanted to join to post my one and only post here. I would have loved to be active here but my girlfriend would probably kill me
About the petrol prices, Shell has developed a technology which lets them create petrol out of sand, this technology is the most expensive way of getting petrol but it means endless petrol, so no problem with the world stocks. Since shell is one very very powerful establishment on earth they can easily alter petrol prices, this technology gives them a very good reason to do that and world is bound to follow. Arabs also love this because their petrol will be either sold and finished maybe tomorrow or maybe the day after tomorrow. But they know this well of course and they also raise their prices together with shell, which means a great multiplication for the Arab wealth. Nothing to do with Bush, Iraq, petrol reserves left on earth or so on. Oh some countries have to buy their petrol from certain countries because of the petrol's gravitation it is a whole different story, depends on what your country does with petrol and what type of petrol meets the requirement. About the 9/11, I also believe that it was an inside job, it was pure western terrorism that pulled the pin for the war. War for bunch of afghans which they raised years ago? Chemical weapons in Iraq, let's go and bring democracy.. Any idea how big the weapon industry is guys? Put dope,petrol,cinema all on top of eachother it wouldn't even make the tip of it. Talking about $$$$$$$$ being spent here. These bullets have to be fired, missiles have to be lunched, soldiers needs to be tested somewhere so army will be trigger-happy, and the sector will keep on living. Simple as that, having a house full of loaded guns, you don't expect to be living in peace forever right? After a while you will be hunting for your shadow.. Cheers.

I don't know anything about Shell and neber heard about what you said but don't want tell anything about it, while of my missing of knowledge in that domain.
But about the 9/11, yes for sure it was an inside job unfortunately and one day for sure they will show it up, like the death of Bin Laden was a mascarade, never a guy whis leader of the "biggest terrorist group" on earth will give only 3 videos messages in 10 years. This man is dead in 2001 or 2002 and those messages was prepared in advance. The video with the bear in almost from behind, why ? Tell me why he don't recorded a new message every week on a micro sim -card ( so easy to hide ) and put in poison on earth every week. In Europe we have also so terrorist group in Spain or Irish that all police try to catch but they deliver a message as much as they want anyway ...
Now Syria is the new "game play" between USA and Russia, testing the weapon, playing the war, the new Libanon of the 2000th, welcome on reality show, we all are just little pupetts ...

PW