PIERRE WOODMAN wrote: ↑

Sat Sep 23, 2023 7:20 am

when Russia threatens to use nuclear weapons once again.

So this sentence is supposed means "in the future" or as if they used before and will do it again ???

Because I am not good with english and I can be wrong but then all people who complain about this sentence are supposed have my bad english level ???

Seems a bit easy no ???

PW

OK, when you have 2 choices how to understand a sentence you as a reader pick the option you like.

Maybe an example:

Lets say you post here: "Paying girls in advance is a bad idea, I will not do it again"

Could mean you in the past paid a girl in advance, made a bad experience and will not do it again.

or

Could mean you watched other people paying girls in advance and they made bad experiences and you will not do this again, because you saw the likely outcome.

Both are valid versions in my view, but I am not a native English speaker....

Bobby wrote: ↑

Sat Sep 23, 2023 2:19 pm

PIERRE WOODMAN wrote: ↑

Sat Sep 23, 2023 7:20 am

when Russia threatens to use nuclear weapons once again.

So this sentence is supposed means "in the future" or as if they used before and will do it again ???

Because I am not good with english and I can be wrong but then all people who complain about this sentence are supposed have my bad english level ???

Seems a bit easy no ???

PW

OK, when you have 2 choices how to understand a sentence you as a reader pick the option you like.

Maybe an example:

Lets say you post here: "Paying girls in advance is a bad idea, I will not do it again"

Could mean you in the past paid a girl in advance, made a bad experience and will not do it again.

or

Could mean you watched other people paying girls in advance and they made bad experiences and you will not do this again, because you saw the likely outcome.

Both are valid versions in my view, but I am not a native English speaker....

Exactly.

And when at no point during this where Russia mentioned dropping those bombs by her or anyone else what is the logical conclusion

A) She meant Nuclear weapons have not been used since 1945 and now is when a country (Russia) are talking about using them. Therefore saying again. This is what almost eveyone understand because there are nobody that disputes who dropped those bombes . Not even USA . Not even conciracy therories that some here love so much about this fact.

B) Russian propaganda spins this as Russia once again are victims. EU are tring to put the blame of those bombs in 1945 on the russians and they try to trick the kids today into belliving this. And the russian propaganda machine here with Vitaly Blackon and Im sad to say Pierre himself tries to spin this as Europe are the villians lying and Russia are victims.

And there are soooo many that belive this even though nobody talks about it . Must be the western media trying to hide something from us . Better trust the russian media where you are closed down , put in jail or murdered if you question the Kreml narrative.

This another bullshit "story" put forward by russian propaganda and is embarrasing the woodman forum

Bobby

Stop playing rhetoric on your English language skills!
Von der Leyen's statement is very clear, for what purpose, she said exactly that! A totally manipulative statement and a desire to inappropriately and blasphemously intertwine unrelated fact and falsehood at the same time.
First. Russia, in official rhetoric at the state level, has never threatened anyone with the use of nuclear yield. This is all a lie by von der Leyen. Russia is not alone in having nuclear weapons in service now. But, in the statements of some Western politicians, the threat of Russia with nuclear weapons was.
Secondly. Why von der Leyen, addressing directly to the Japanese by the way!!!, did not say at least this: "The U.S., dropped an atomic bomb on Hiroshima, killing 100,000 civilians, and now Russia is already "threatens" (although it will be a lie), nuclear weapons!". But von der Leyen did not even say so. In the context of her statement there was a clearly inappropriate and insensitive, in relation to the Japanese, manipulative interweaving of completely unrelated facts and lies at the same time, and the use of a manipulative rhetorical method. And all because she is a vile manipulative, lying, ass-licking liar for her American masters!!!!

Russia may be forced to use a nuclear weapon if Ukraine’s counteroffensive succeeds, senior Russian official Dmitry Medvedev said Sunday – the latest in a series of nuclear threats made during Moscow’s invasion by the key ally of President Vladimir Putin.

“Just imagine that the offensive… in tandem with NATO, succeeded and ended up with part of our land being taken away. Then we would have to use nuclear weapons by virtue of the stipulations of the Russian Presidential Decree,” said Medvedev, the deputy chairman of Russia’s Security Council, in a Telegram post.

“There simply wouldn’t be any other solution,” the former Russian president added. “Our enemies should pray to our fighters that they do not allow the world to go up in nuclear flames.”

Medvedev, who served as president of Russia from 2008 to 2012, has struck a bellicose tone throughout Moscow’s invasion of Ukraine, repeatedly raising the specter of nuclear conflict.

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/07/31/euro ... index.html

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"Medvedev, the deputy chairman of Russia’s Security Council", sounds pretty senior to me

@Bobby

sorry but if I read your sentence :

"Paying girls in advance is a bad idea, I will not do it again"

I will only think you had a bad experience and will not do it again !!!

Same with what said Von der Leyen, for me she pretends Russians used nuclear before after saying :

"will do it again "

But OK I know El Major will again jump on the table, so enough with that. Politics discussions is not something I should allow here because it's a very difficult things to keep calm for too many people and have a fair play behavior ...

PW

Ok Pierre. Lets say you are right and she has started a campaign to trick kids around the world to think russia dropped those bombs like you said. Thats is the most likely scenario here

Bobby wrote: ↑

Sat Sep 23, 2023 6:20 pm

“Just imagine that the offensive… in tandem with NATO, succeeded and ended up with part of our land being taken away. Then we would have to use nuclear weapons by virtue of the stipulations of the Russian Presidential Decree,” said Medvedev, the deputy chairman of Russia’s Security Council, in a Telegram post.

“There simply wouldn’t be any other solution,” the former Russian president added. “Our enemies should pray to our fighters that they do not allow the world to go up in nuclear flames.”

Medvedev, who served as president of Russia from 2008 to 2012, has struck a bellicose tone throughout Moscow’s invasion of Ukraine, repeatedly raising the specter of nuclear conflict.

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/07/31/euro ... index.html

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"Medvedev, the deputy chairman of Russia’s Security Council", sounds pretty senior to me

Medvedev is sometimes harsh in his rhetoric on social media, even though he is not now a politician making decisions on behalf of the state.
But in his social media post, he only recalled Russia's Military Doctrine on the Use of Nuclear Weapons, which clearly states: "Only as a retaliatory measure or when an attack on Russia (its territories) poses a threat to the very existence of the state!". There is no direct threat in his words, but only a reminder of a compulsory step in case of consequences specified in Russia's military doctrine. In the American doctrine, the use of nuclear weapons can be used as a preemptive and pre-emptive strike. So, who is more aggressive here, given the historical practice of the United States in the use of nuclear weapons? And, by the way, it was high-ranking European politicians who threatened Russia with nuclear weapons, so the EU is not full of pacifists either. You yourself, Bobby, have considered such a scenario recently on this forum. Maybe you should start talking about yourself first. I have already said that against Russia, in one way or another, is fighting about 50 countries that supply weapons to Ukraine, their military mercenaries in the form of NATO soldiers. In Russia, there are politicians, journalists, public figures who allow in their rhetoric to remind the U.S. and NATO that Russia has a military doctrine on the use of nuclear weapons to cool NATO's zeal to destroy Russia. But there has never been such rhetoric from Russian officials who make decisions, unlike Biden, who decides to send deadly, primarily for civilians, cluster munitions, which by the way are banned in European countries. Well, on this issue, of course, you are silent. The boss can do whatever he wants.....

I stop for now here....... I hope that the Ukrainians will live in peace soon again

If Pierre could lock this thread with those words it would be beautiful . And may I add the russians as well. Tens of thousands of russians die and their family lose their loved ones aswell in this shitshow of a war that most peolpe dont want.

El Major wrote: ↑

Sat Sep 23, 2023 6:48 pm

Ok Pierre. Lets say you are right and she has started a campaign to trick kids around the world to think russia dropped those bombs like you said. Thats is the most likely scenario here

You know why these kind of situation scares me ???
20 years ago I had a kind of verbal fight with a brazilian girl in Rio de Janeiro during a casting because we were speaking of god and I tried explain her god is in Brazil since 500 years only and if Portugueses never came in South America and stick a burning red iron in the ass of everyone probably they will still have the same god as the Incas : THE SUN
But she said I was a fool and take a book from her bag ( a school history book ) and show me a sentence :
Jesus Christ was ALWAYS there !!!

I was in shock that the Brazilian gouvernment stick in the mind of youth that ONLY JESUS WAS GOD FOR THEM and erase the history of their own country.

What did Von der Leyen seems a simple "mistake" and most people will see it as a detail but how many teenagers and even adult who are not from my generation will just take it as : "oh yes Russians bombed Hiroshima and Nagazaki with nuclear weapons" and maybe in 500 years it will be what the europeans history will say ...

It's like the number of jews dead during the WW2. If it's obvious they are millions to have lost their lives it's interesting to listen what the ex commandant of Auschwitz , Rudolf Höss, has said after been catched by the british :
How many are dead in the camp ? How much you want 20 000 , 200 000 I give you the number you want but please stop destroy my balls with a hammer !!!
And he said the same again during his trial. It was filmed ...
So which credit can we give about numbers ??? In theory we are supposed know it with families missing part of them, but I remember in school the number of death at the WW2 was 40 millions people but today on Wikipedia it's : 58 797 200
Nearly 50 % more ...

Also Orban is accused by european press of rewriting history of the Shoah in the museum he did in 2021 in Budapest.
But where is the truth??? If it's like when the press says that Hungary is a dictatorship, we can easily cast doubt on all that.
But it can also be the truth that he changed something, he has the power to do it.
The problem is that I was born 18 years after the war and even those who lived through it don't necessarily know everything. Moreover, history is like politics, everyone sees what they want to see. For example Raoul Wallenberg saved 400,000 Jews during the last war. But today it says that he was at the service of the USA and that he only saved important Jews (physicists, engineers, very rich businessmen, politicians, etc.) but if one family with lots of children whose father nor mother had no any interest for the Americans, had no chance of being saved and that the greatness of the USA after the war would be due in large part to this selection which would have brought them some of the greatest minds in Europe!!! Is this the truth???
This is what the Russians thought since they imprisoned and shot him in 1947 in Russia while Europe wanted him dead under the bullets of the Nazis and without the KGB archives it would have been like that forever.

So I, who have been a big fan of history since my childhood, admit that as I get older I see it more and more like AVN and Xbiz...
The powerful ones who have the money and the power decide who is what and who was what... reason why the speech of Von Der Leyen is not so innocent in my opinion.

PW