RUSSIA - UKRAINE 2022 CONFLICT

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PIERRE WOODMAN wrote:
Sat Sep 23, 2023 7:20 am
when Russia threatens to use nuclear weapons once again.
So this sentence is supposed means "in the future" or as if they used before and will do it again ???

Because I am not good with english and I can be wrong but then all people who complain about this sentence are supposed have my bad english level ???

Seems a bit easy no ???

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Where are all the people besides russians trying to spin this? You said yourself its one man in France and he is clearly very anti Ukraine from the extreme right.. Its pretty clear it means nuclear weapons have not been used since 1945 and russia is now threating to use such weapons again. At no point have there been any sentence from her with russia 1945 and russia being responsible for those bombs in the past.

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Sat Sep 23, 2023 5:35 am
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Sat Sep 23, 2023 4:20 am
So again Pierre you are just accepting Russian propaganda. Seriously shame on you.

We are now trusting goebbels herself Maria Zakharova ?

This is what I have found as an actual quote :

“It was a sobering start to the G7 and one that I will not forget, especially at a time when Russia threatens to use nuclear weapons once again. It is heinous, it is dangerous – and in the shadow of Hiroshima, it is unforgivable. No one is better poised than Japan to warn us of the extreme danger of this recklessness. As the only country that has suffered from atomic bombings, you have made the whole world listen,” she added.

You have to be real stupid or a russian ptun ass licker trying to spin that to Ursula von der Leyen saying Russia was at fault in 1945. She says threats of nuiclear bombs when we know the suffering caused by such bombs are horrible.

If she has lost the plot and you have a quote or video of this im all ears and will apopologize but as it stands now im shocked you just accept this russian propgaganda.

Is there no bottom here when it comes to being a platform for russian propaganda?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8C5byVupxzM

Starting from 5:55: "You brought us to your hometown of Hiroshima. the place where you have your roots and which has deeply shaped your life and leadership. Many of your relatives lost their life when the atomic bomb raised Hiroshima to the ground. You've grown up with the stories of the survivors and you wanted us to listen to the same stories. To face the past and learn something about the future. It was a sobering start to the G7 and one that I will not forget. Especially at a time when Russia threatens to USE NUCLEAR WEAPONS ONCE AGAIN. It is HEINOUS"

You believe now? She literally said, that Russia threatens to use nuclear weapon ONCE AGAIN, when it never did in reality, while the US has done it twice, while implying, that Russia bombed Hiroshima (explaining: only Hiroshima and Nagasaki were bombed, and she said Russia is threatening to USE IT THE NUCLEAR WEAPON ONCE AGAIN, suggesting that Russia is responsible). Or is Ursula also a Russian puppet?

Seriously, dude, no offense, but you're pathetic and so brain-washed, I can't believe. You believe everything that the Western media says and what Russia says is propaganda by default. It's so narrow-minded. It may be news for you, but you're too a victim of the propaganda, only this time it's Western, and they work by the same guidebook.
You are the dumbest man I have ever talked to. Last time you were talking about how USA lied in the UN when they attacked Afghanistan and Biden attacked Iran. No mentiions about Iraq. The easiest facts possible you get wrong besides spreading russian propaganda so you obviously also manage to not understand this.

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PIERRE WOODMAN wrote:
Sat Sep 23, 2023 7:20 am
when Russia threatens to use nuclear weapons once again.
So this sentence is supposed means "in the future" or as if they used before and will do it again ???

Because I am not good with english and I can be wrong but then all people who complain about this sentence are supposed have my bad english level ???

Seems a bit easy no ???


PW
OK, when you have 2 choices how to understand a sentence you as a reader pick the option you like.

Maybe an example:

Lets say you post here: "Paying girls in advance is a bad idea, I will not do it again"

Could mean you in the past paid a girl in advance, made a bad experience and will not do it again.

or

Could mean you watched other people paying girls in advance and they made bad experiences and you will not do this again, because you saw the likely outcome.

Both are valid versions in my view, but I am not a native English speaker....

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Bobby wrote:
Sat Sep 23, 2023 2:19 pm
PIERRE WOODMAN wrote:
Sat Sep 23, 2023 7:20 am
when Russia threatens to use nuclear weapons once again.
So this sentence is supposed means "in the future" or as if they used before and will do it again ???

Because I am not good with english and I can be wrong but then all people who complain about this sentence are supposed have my bad english level ???

Seems a bit easy no ???


PW
OK, when you have 2 choices how to understand a sentence you as a reader pick the option you like.

Maybe an example:

Lets say you post here: "Paying girls in advance is a bad idea, I will not do it again"

Could mean you in the past paid a girl in advance, made a bad experience and will not do it again.

or

Could mean you watched other people paying girls in advance and they made bad experiences and you will not do this again, because you saw the likely outcome.

Both are valid versions in my view, but I am not a native English speaker....
Exactly.

And when at no point during this where Russia mentioned dropping those bombs by her or anyone else what is the logical conclusion

A) She meant Nuclear weapons have not been used since 1945 and now is when a country (Russia) are talking about using them. Therefore saying again. This is what almost eveyone understand because there are nobody that disputes who dropped those bombes . Not even USA . Not even conciracy therories that some here love so much about this fact.

B) Russian propaganda spins this as Russia once again are victims. EU are tring to put the blame of those bombs in 1945 on the russians and they try to trick the kids today into belliving this. And the russian propaganda machine here with Vitaly Blackon and Im sad to say Pierre himself tries to spin this as Europe are the villians lying and Russia are victims.

And there are soooo many that belive this even though nobody talks about it . Must be the western media trying to hide something from us :roll: . Better trust the russian media where you are closed down , put in jail or murdered if you question the Kreml narrative.

This another bullshit "story" put forward by russian propaganda and is embarrasing the woodman forum

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Bobby

Stop playing rhetoric on your English language skills!
Von der Leyen's statement is very clear, for what purpose, she said exactly that! A totally manipulative statement and a desire to inappropriately and blasphemously intertwine unrelated fact and falsehood at the same time.
First. Russia, in official rhetoric at the state level, has never threatened anyone with the use of nuclear yield. This is all a lie by von der Leyen. Russia is not alone in having nuclear weapons in service now. But, in the statements of some Western politicians, the threat of Russia with nuclear weapons was.
Secondly. Why von der Leyen, addressing directly to the Japanese by the way!!!, did not say at least this: "The U.S., dropped an atomic bomb on Hiroshima, killing 100,000 civilians, and now Russia is already "threatens" (although it will be a lie), nuclear weapons!". But von der Leyen did not even say so. In the context of her statement there was a clearly inappropriate and insensitive, in relation to the Japanese, manipulative interweaving of completely unrelated facts and lies at the same time, and the use of a manipulative rhetorical method. And all because she is a vile manipulative, lying, ass-licking liar for her American masters!!!!

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Russia may be forced to use a nuclear weapon if Ukraine’s counteroffensive succeeds, senior Russian official Dmitry Medvedev said Sunday – the latest in a series of nuclear threats made during Moscow’s invasion by the key ally of President Vladimir Putin.

“Just imagine that the offensive… in tandem with NATO, succeeded and ended up with part of our land being taken away. Then we would have to use nuclear weapons by virtue of the stipulations of the Russian Presidential Decree,” said Medvedev, the deputy chairman of Russia’s Security Council, in a Telegram post.

“There simply wouldn’t be any other solution,” the former Russian president added. “Our enemies should pray to our fighters that they do not allow the world to go up in nuclear flames.”

Medvedev, who served as president of Russia from 2008 to 2012, has struck a bellicose tone throughout Moscow’s invasion of Ukraine, repeatedly raising the specter of nuclear conflict.

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/07/31/euro ... index.html

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"Medvedev, the deputy chairman of Russia’s Security Council", sounds pretty senior to me

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@Bobby

sorry but if I read your sentence :
"Paying girls in advance is a bad idea, I will not do it again"
I will only think you had a bad experience and will not do it again !!!

Same with what said Von der Leyen, for me she pretends Russians used nuclear before after saying :

"will do it again "

But OK I know El Major will again jump on the table, so enough with that. Politics discussions is not something I should allow here because it's a very difficult things to keep calm for too many people and have a fair play behavior ...

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Ok Pierre. Lets say you are right and she has started a campaign to trick kids around the world to think russia dropped those bombs like you said. Thats is the most likely scenario here

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Bobby wrote:
Sat Sep 23, 2023 6:20 pm
“Just imagine that the offensive… in tandem with NATO, succeeded and ended up with part of our land being taken away. Then we would have to use nuclear weapons by virtue of the stipulations of the Russian Presidential Decree,” said Medvedev, the deputy chairman of Russia’s Security Council, in a Telegram post.

“There simply wouldn’t be any other solution,” the former Russian president added. “Our enemies should pray to our fighters that they do not allow the world to go up in nuclear flames.”

Medvedev, who served as president of Russia from 2008 to 2012, has struck a bellicose tone throughout Moscow’s invasion of Ukraine, repeatedly raising the specter of nuclear conflict.

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/07/31/euro ... index.html

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"Medvedev, the deputy chairman of Russia’s Security Council", sounds pretty senior to me
Medvedev is sometimes harsh in his rhetoric on social media, even though he is not now a politician making decisions on behalf of the state.
But in his social media post, he only recalled Russia's Military Doctrine on the Use of Nuclear Weapons, which clearly states: "Only as a retaliatory measure or when an attack on Russia (its territories) poses a threat to the very existence of the state!". There is no direct threat in his words, but only a reminder of a compulsory step in case of consequences specified in Russia's military doctrine. In the American doctrine, the use of nuclear weapons can be used as a preemptive and pre-emptive strike. So, who is more aggressive here, given the historical practice of the United States in the use of nuclear weapons? And, by the way, it was high-ranking European politicians who threatened Russia with nuclear weapons, so the EU is not full of pacifists either. You yourself, Bobby, have considered such a scenario recently on this forum. Maybe you should start talking about yourself first. I have already said that against Russia, in one way or another, is fighting about 50 countries that supply weapons to Ukraine, their military mercenaries in the form of NATO soldiers. In Russia, there are politicians, journalists, public figures who allow in their rhetoric to remind the U.S. and NATO that Russia has a military doctrine on the use of nuclear weapons to cool NATO's zeal to destroy Russia. But there has never been such rhetoric from Russian officials who make decisions, unlike Biden, who decides to send deadly, primarily for civilians, cluster munitions, which by the way are banned in European countries. Well, on this issue, of course, you are silent. The boss can do whatever he wants.....

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I stop for now here....... I hope that the Ukrainians will live in peace soon again :)

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If Pierre could lock this thread with those words it would be beautiful . And may I add the russians as well. Tens of thousands of russians die and their family lose their loved ones aswell in this shitshow of a war that most peolpe dont want.

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