RUSSIA - UKRAINE 2022 CONFLICT

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MVitaly5 wrote:
Fri Oct 14, 2022 10:55 am
PIERRE WOODMAN wrote:
Fri Oct 14, 2022 10:06 am
Yes what did Putin is terrible, yes seeing so many lives gone for nothing breaks my heart...
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When Orban decides to protect your family or the Hungarians who will be subjected to genocide, I don't think you will talk about him in the same mournful tone! Think about that at your leisure.
And it could happen, because in Transcarpathia (Ukraine), there are many ethnic Hungarians and Orban already said that he would protect them. And when there are only Banderites left in Western Ukraine, they will destroy the Hungarians as well, because for the Nazis there is no other nation but their own. This is their ideology.
That's what you can't understand by helping them now! :!:

Which nazis? I thought russias goal is to denazify the ukraine? Or will russia not achieve this goal with their one of the most advanced military in the world?

Will russia only protect russian people from nazis? Are russian people worth more than other people?

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justask wrote:
Fri Oct 14, 2022 3:56 pm
MVitaly5 wrote:
Fri Oct 14, 2022 10:55 am
PIERRE WOODMAN wrote:
Fri Oct 14, 2022 10:06 am
Yes what did Putin is terrible, yes seeing so many lives gone for nothing breaks my heart...
PW
When Orban decides to protect your family or the Hungarians who will be subjected to genocide, I don't think you will talk about him in the same mournful tone! Think about that at your leisure.
And it could happen, because in Transcarpathia (Ukraine), there are many ethnic Hungarians and Orban already said that he would protect them. And when there are only Banderites left in Western Ukraine, they will destroy the Hungarians as well, because for the Nazis there is no other nation but their own. This is their ideology.
That's what you can't understand by helping them now! :!:

Which nazis? I thought russias goal is to denazify the ukraine? Or will russia not achieve this goal with their one of the most advanced military in the world?

Will russia only protect russian people from nazis? Are russian people worth more than other people?
Here's an earlier line for you.
MVitaly5 wrote:
Thu Oct 13, 2022 11:47 am
If you want to know my personal point of view, it is this. I am in favor of Russia liberating and incorporating all of the original Russian territories, except for Western Ukraine, the main breeding ground for Bandera and Nazism, which is muddying all the water in the rest of Ukraine.
It's a shame that you read my answers between the lines and therefore don't understand shit.
You can have western Ukraine, let Poland, Hungary or Romania hang it around your neck. It used to be their territory. Russia doesn't need it. In any case, this is my strictly private opinion.

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MVitaly5 wrote:
Fri Oct 14, 2022 8:56 am
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Fri Oct 14, 2022 8:29 am
Giving Nazis to the Ukrainian nation is really bleak and meaningful, I wonder what sense all these monologues by exalted Russian patriots have! I am amazed that he allows himself to keep open this river of words that just reading you ask yourself if it is worth the human race to continue to dominate the earth, the theme of this post should only be to stop killing, and not to be strategists of war, unfortunately whoever chooses to kill and does it as a job, remains a murderer with a license to kill and nothing more!
Yes, but don't be selective here. Because, those who are selective in assigning blame are just lycimers. Why don't you blame everyone else? At the moment, people are being killed not only in Ukraine, why are you silent about it. Go out with a placard in the street and demand that wars in Africa, Syria, Palestine, Yemen stop. Not long ago Afghans were killed by American soldiers who came without an invitation or UN sanction. No one has heard you moan.
You're probably either from Italy or Spain, have you forgotten the Nazi past of your countries and how many people died because of you? Would you say that's already history? Just yesterday, your head of EU diplomacy, J. Borrell, said that they (the countries of Europe), are a garden of Eden, and all other countries are jungles. I quote him! You can find his speech on the Internet. What do you think it is? I've been accused of racism by a couple of jerks here without foundation. And this statement by Borrell is nothing but a mixture of rabid snobbery and xenophobia.
Look at yourself first and don't be so quick to judge!
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First of all in this post we talk about the war in Ukraine, otherwise I do not write in this post that I disgust the dirty mercenaries of all the wars, so I will not write it in the post of the war in ukraine !! about home state, what would change what my home country did? see dear, I'm not a fucking patriot, but a man who does not believe in anything and thinks, earns his living honestly and pays taxes and above all does not join the army to have a license to kill.

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Putin is getting desperate every day.

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alexus2 wrote:
Fri Oct 14, 2022 9:03 pm
Putin is getting desperate every day.
What makes you think that?) :D
Today he was at the summit in Astana, then gave a press conference. As usual, he answered any questions, even the most unpleasant ones, clearly and to the point. Perhaps, there are a lot of complaints against Putin, but the fact that he is always calm and composed is a fact. It's the Soviet school of the KGB that does the trick. There were iron men in that organization. Unlike his Western counterparts, who are prone to hysterics and sometimes don't watch their language at all.

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doxxx wrote:
Fri Oct 14, 2022 8:30 pm
First of all in this post we talk about the war in Ukraine, otherwise I do not write in this post that I disgust the dirty mercenaries of all the wars, so I will not write it in the post of the war in ukraine !! about home state, what would change what my home country did? see dear, I'm not a fucking patriot, but a man who does not believe in anything and thinks, earns his living honestly and pays taxes and above all does not join the army to have a license to kill.
You pay your taxes. And where do your taxes go? Including for the maintenance of the army, of the country in which you live. You can choose not to serve in the army, it's your choice and probably your right. But do you think the army protects you or do you despise it because it has, as you put it, a license to kill?

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Vitaly, as much as I agree that Galicia is an irrelevant area that offers nothing for Russia (due to inbreeding over the centuries by the bydlo that live there, who have existed like dumbasses while being used as pawns by Austrians and Poles) - I strongly believe that denazification must deal with West Ukrainian nazis of whose failure ideology dominates the current ukronazi national idea. Ukraine can only exist as a viable state if that poison is removed.

At the start of the last century there was massive russophilia from galicians, many who saw themselves as Russians - concentration camps in WW1 in addition to the frantic work of Austrian and polish intelligence put a stop on it.

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Fri Oct 14, 2022 10:04 pm
Vitaly, as much as I agree that Galicia is an irrelevant area that offers nothing for Russia (due to inbreeding over the centuries by the bydlo that live there, who have existed like dumbasses while being used as pawns by Austrians and Poles) - I strongly believe that denazification must deal with West Ukrainian nazis of whose failure ideology dominates the current ukronazi national idea. Ukraine can only exist as a viable state if that poison is removed.

At the start of the last century there was massive russophilia from galicians, many who saw themselves as Russians - concentration camps in WW1 in addition to the frantic work of Austrian and polish intelligence put a stop on it.
I agree with you that Nazism is a world poison. And the territory of Galicia, the main source of this poison.
I just think that this issue will not be easy to solve for several reasons.
The most important reason is economic. Russia does not need these territories. Why take territories that are economically unprofitable around your neck. Russia will have to restore and develop the liberated territories, which have simply degraded over the past 30 years. After all, Ukraine did not develop its territories in any way, but used the rich inheritance it inherited from the Soviet Union. I used to visit Ukraine regularly until 2014. I can tell you that everything is as it was under the Soviet Union, and remains the same, but over the years it has become dilapidated and decayed. But these liberated territories are very promising, because the whole territory of Ukraine, except for the Western part, has excellent agricultural black soil and a favorable climate. Here we simply take away historically ours and we will have to work with people, while with Western Ukraine the situation is different, in my opinion.
The second point, how do you propose to solve the issue with Western Ukraine? To exterminate people? Then how would we be better than them? After all, in Western Ukraine, everything is so overgrown with this terrestrial Nazism. It is in these territories that the descendants of the Banderites live, plus 30 years, constantly processing new generations of young people in the spirit of Nazism and Russophobia. All the last generations of young people, were taught by false history textbooks, false heroes and culture were propagandized. That is where the most active marches of SS descendants are. Even those people who are ethnically Russian, they no longer consider themselves to be Russians. And most people living there have more family ties with Poles, Hungarians than Russians.
In general, the issue is very complicated. I think, let the Poles, Romanians and Hungarians solve the issue of Western Ukraine. They help them so much now, so let them deal with them, with those whose kin killed the same Poles in the Volyn massacre, the same Hungarians. When the Ukro-Nazis lay claim to the exclusivity of their nation on these territories, over the Poles, Hungarians, and Romanians who live there, we will see how the latter will sing their songs.

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The most important reason is economic. Russia does not need these territories. Why take territories that are economically unprofitable around your neck. Russia will have to restore and develop the liberated territories, which have simply degraded over the past 30 years. After all, Ukraine did not develop its territories in any way, but used the rich inheritance it inherited from the Soviet Union. I used to visit Ukraine regularly until 2014. I can tell you that everything is as it was under the Soviet Union, and remains the same, but over the years it has become dilapidated and decayed. But these liberated territories are very promising, because the whole territory of Ukraine, except for the Western part, has excellent agricultural black soil and a favorable climate. Here we simply take away historically ours and we will have to work with people, while with Western Ukraine the situation is different, in my opinion.
The second point, how do you propose to solve the issue with Western Ukraine? To exterminate people? Then how would we be better than them? After all, in Western Ukraine, everything is so overgrown with this terrestrial Nazism. It is in these territories that the descendants of the Banderites live, plus 30 years, constantly processing new generations of young people in the spirit of Nazism and Russophobia. All the last generations of young people, were taught by false history textbooks, false heroes and culture were propagandized. That is where the most active marches of SS descendants are. Even those people who are ethnically Russian, they no longer consider themselves to be Russians. And most people living there have more family ties with Poles, Hungarians than Russians.
In general, the issue is very complicated. I think, let the Poles, Romanians and Hungarians solve the issue of Western Ukraine. They help them so much now, so let them deal with them, with those whose kin killed the same Poles in the Volyn massacre, the same Hungarians. When the Ukro-Nazis lay claim to the exclusivity of their nation on these territories, over the Poles, Hungarians, and Romanians who live there, we will see how the latter will sing their songs.

After talking about 100 pages how important it is to destroy the nazis and that russia and Putin had no choice to invade ukraine....now you openly say that the main reasons of the comquers are economic reasons?

Why take territories that are economically unprofitable???

I thought it is about to defeat the nazis and to claim what ist historical yours????

Now you show imperialistic thinking...

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justask wrote:
Sat Oct 15, 2022 12:58 am
After talking about 100 pages how important it is to destroy the nazis and that russia and Putin had no choice to invade ukraine....now you openly say that the main reasons of the comquers are economic reasons?

Why take territories that are economically unprofitable???

I thought it is about to defeat the nazis and to claim what ist historical yours????

Now you show imperialistic thinking...
First, for future reference, do not associate my private opinions and desires with the possible plans of the Russian leadership! Do we have a deal? Because this is highly incorrect! They can diverge!
Secondly, I did not say that the main goal of Russia is economic in relation to those regions, which it considers to be native Russian (parts of Central, Eastern and Southern Ukraine), and which, as I personally believe, it should liberate and include in its composition!!!! Do you understand what I just said, or shall I repeat it to you?
In my opinion, Russia's main goal in this special operation is to protect the Russian people in Ukraine from the genocide conducted by the Ukrainian political regime and the denazification of the liberated territories. Personally, I would still like to see the territories of Central, Eastern and Southern Ukraine (parts of Central, Eastern and Southern Ukraine) become part of Russia and the main reason is that they are historically Russian, and I personally do not want Russia to take over the territories of Western Ukraine!!! Because in all aspects, including economic, I believe that Russia does not need these territories. As for the denazification of the territory of Western Ukraine, I would like it to happen, but it will be difficult to do it without victims. The fact that these territories are the main source of Nazism in Ukraine should be of concern and awareness not only to Russia, in my opinion, but also to you who are asking me these questions!

And I'll tell you something else. You are here, turning on the role of an investigator and engaging in mere literalism. You are not presenting your point of view, but are trying to catch me by the tongue, which you won't succeed, so stop being formalistic.

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