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J'espère que les FAI vont penser à faire payer la bande passante des tubes pornos en fonction de leur traffic !!!

PW

PIERRE WOODMAN wrote:avec en ligne de mire Google, Yahoo, FB, TW VK etc ... que je considère comme des receleurs.

PW

Google, Yahoo? Attend tu veux t'attaquer au moteur de recherche?? Voyons voyons...

Et FB? Facebook? La nudité n'est même pas admise sur facebook a la base...

Pirates are killing ALL the industries. Movies, music, software development...

Actually this is false. The XXX industry is hot MUCH MUCH harder because of 2 reasons. The stigmat of getting adult oriented stuff (even if most compagnies are discreet in there billing) , proof is that guy mentioning buying US pre paid cards. The other reason is the more obvious, porn is nowadays 80% if not more digital only, and in most case peoples wouldn't want the original DVD and artwork etc. I mean you want to fap on the spot, what do you prefer, load a file on your computer or find a DVD, putting it inside the player, having to pass all the pubs and intros... etc

After that its very easy to find source to pirate. Im not even including tube site as piracy personally. There is very easy sources for torrenting and direct link downloads.

When it comes to other industries...

Music : It was a problem for a time but they found a way to turn it to there advantage. Now peoples can buy subscriptions for 15$ a month or whatever and have acces to tons of music content directly to there cell or whatever. You can also buy the tunes you like a la piece for 1$ or so. Even Youtube listening is free for users but they get the revenue of the publicity by youtube... Because of that pirating music has become pretty much "obsolete" and nobody bother with it anymore. Its so accessible its just not worth it. Also bands are touring, make money that way, sell merchandise.

Movies : Netflix... Hulu and other services have made it that watching movies is easy and accessible and again for a very fair price. My netflix cost me 11$ per month and i have acces to tons of movies. Also the movie theatre can not be replace, even if you have a great sound system, large ass TV and all, its never the same as a freaking giant screen. And also there some peoples who love to have physical releases. I myself buy lots of DVDs and blu rays and my shelves are full...

Video Games : Steam has made it very easily accessible for PC and with the steam sales and such, you end up with more games than you can play usually. On consol its not easy to pirate a consol and when its done, usually you can't go online cause they gonna detect it. So peoples don't want to loose there online, there profiles achievements/trophies. And again there so much sales and digital is starting to take a huge place too, so games are accessible on the spot. Other peoples also want to collect physical releases.

I am too unfamiliar with the software stuff to comment on this one tough.

So basically no ... piracy actually HELP more than it hurt other industries. Some movies like THE ROOM became CULT because they where originally pirated and share among peoples and discovered that way. The movie costed 6 millions to make, made 1800$ during his initial run in theatre... was pulled out after 2 weeks. Due to piracy and youtube "content creators" making reviews of it, it became known so much to a point now the movie is back in theatre after the succes of The Disaster Arist. And has now made back its money. Tommy Wiseau will never admit it, he is too proud for that, but piracy and sharing is what brough back his movie on the map and make him sell Boxers(underwear) and other goodies today. Even if you say "yeah but Disaster Artist is an hollywood movie and thats why it bough attention. Nop actually the reason the movie was made is cause of the book and reason the book was written was because the movie was starting to become cult.

So thats my point.

Porn is a different industry and piracy run very different in it than other industry. Originally compagnies would pay girls and then make lots of money on the movie compare to the actress. Today it has turned around. Actresses can market themselves, sell merchandise, shoot there own private content for there onlyfan and such and there fans will follow them there. Its usually also much cheaper than a porn website (around 10-15$ a month) Content is so easily accessible by many means that its the big compagnies that struggle a bit now.

Its fascinating when you look at this.

The niche market is obviously the ones that suffer the most, cause they shoot less, the content is more expensive usually to shoot, and they cather to less peoples. Thats why there much more likely to go after piracy.

But there is also a ripple effect. Will you subscribe to a website where you enjoy 80% of the content and get content multiple times a week even tough its more generic, or one where there is one update a week... even if at times there is an amazing scene...

But hey everybody is different. There is a new tendancy in video games these days where peoples steam themselves playing them online, and peoples tip them money randomly just for the fun of it... And yes sometimes its very beautifull young woman and you could say its just a new way of camming without removing cloathes, but i seen guys as well getting lots of $. Personally i can't afford to donate to this. Im calculating what i can buy every month...

So yeah some peoples won't mind keeping a sub for a porn website at 40$ a month every month, while others will cancel it for a few months and reactivate it only when there is 5 to 10 new scenes they want to really see...

Nice post but then if it's so good the piracy, why I don't like it, and why 80 % of the production have disappaeared or are on the way to mostly after they sold their business to ... pirates groups !!!

You sample about other business are speaking about people having made 100 times their money back before to care about anything.
Me too if tomorrow I have 50 000 members here, I will not care of piracy ...

PW

But why don't you delete your videos from all the famous pirate sites like xxxx, zzzz and so on?
And why don't you upload like a free versión of your videos on PornHub and get paid for the views and the ads?
Well, i don't know how this industry works

You know how it is supposed to work but this is just bullshit and I paid a DMCA service to erase contents but they fight against a hydra, until one day the authorities will maybe react ...

PW

What do you think of companies putting sample of their videos ? like 5 or 10 minutes? They post them on every website as a way to advertise their new content... do you think they get more subscription this way? I rarely see woodman videos on popular free porn tubes, they get taken down very quickly.

I tried with Youporn this 10 mn sequences in 2011. I get almost no money and step by step you find out that some of your 10 minutes videos get replaced by the full one uploaded by "somebody" !!!
Come on, they are not here to help anyone ...

PW

PIERRE WOODMAN wrote:Nice post but then if it's so good the piracy, why I don't like it, and why 80 % of the production have disappaeared or are on the way to mostly after they sold their business to ... pirates groups !!!

You sample about other business are speaking about people having made 100 times their money back before to care about anything.
Me too if tomorrow I have 50 000 members here, I will not care of piracy ...

PW

Yes exactly my point and why i said the Porn Industry is hit much much harder than the "other regular" industries. I said "hot" but it was a type, meant "hit" and i couldn't edit lol.

I heard that its because of the porn industry choosing the VHS that it became the number 1 media and pretty much killed BETAMAX despite it being better overall. In those days porn on VHS was huge. But even in the mid 2000s i was renting porn from the video store (oh the memories of the shame putting this on the counter before a hot clerk...) and i would notice there was not that much DVDs actually. Lots of VHS. Shortly after i got a better computer and high speed internet came around in my local town. Its like internet came around at a similar time as the switch to DVD and therefore it never properly happened. Obviously yes some movies are still made in DVDs and Blu ray today but porn is mainly an internet thing now.

This is pretty much around the same time the actresses of the VHS era started to quit (Jenna Jameson, Tera Patrick and others) and with them the big compagnies died or became much much smaller. Hell i learned the other day that Wicked was still around. I had no idea... I used to rent/buy lots of there movies back then.

Vivid at some point was pretty much THE compagny when you tough Porn. I just checked there website (to see if they where still around) and when you arrive on the main page it seem that the Kim Kardashian sextape and other "C-list" celebrities are the main focuss. You check the pornstars and you see girls like Tiffany Taylor or Breanne Benson who quited years ago...

They don't seem to be up to date at all. Its like they couldn't make the switch properly in time and got declassified by Brazzers when it came around (and other clone websites like it)

Its interesting because it lead me to former Pornstar Veronica Vain who has now open a Youtube Channel under her real name. She is pretty open about it and talk porn all the time and have storytime about her porn experience. Saying this just so you know i am not "outing" her in any way lol. So because of her popularity as a porn star she managed to get a following on youtube, small at first but the more she made content the more she got, and now she is i would say kinda popular as a youtuber because she marketed herself nicely. The good part of this story is that because of her following, she was able to resurect her former project call "Bangbox" wich is some digital porn distribution platform. She give a tiny % of ownership to the "backers" that help her fund the project.

Its in infancy stage for the moment but im really eager to see where it will go cause her project seem much more interesting than any tube site or whatever. It was with a subscription and all but promised lots of content easily accessible for your favourite stars.

ANYWAY where i am going with all of this is that the porn market has evolve, like a lot. From 2002's Vivid days to 2005 or so (the beginning of Brazzers) to 2012 and co when HD became the norm and scenes started to be much nicer to look at in general to NOW in 2018 where we are.

Piracy is a thing that will always exist and existed in the past. I still remember when me or my friends would buy a new music casette tape, we would have our 2 radios close to one another trying to record the music out of the original casette to make a copy for the other friends, not making any noises while it was going but ocasionally you would have a dog bark or something popping in then one of us got the double trey radio and it was so much better to copy cassettes. We did it to movies 2 with 2 VCRs. We didn't even knew it was "piracy" back then, for us it was just normal. Bunch of kids trying the small money we had. We would also borrow NES games from one another etc.

Internet only made it a much much bigger scale to a point it started to hurt the industries. The music industry adapted after having a hard time like i said in my previous post.

The movie industry , well its true some movies it does not matter that some peoples pirate them as you say Pierre, they already make there money back x10. But some indy studio who release great content still struggle. I remember Scott Adkins asking fans to specifically buy Boyka 4 if they wanted a fifth movie. He said he didn't care if peoples downloaded it for free to see it early as long as they ended up buying it, wich is what i did cause the movie took 3 months to come in Canada after the initial release. Even bough an extra copy for my cousin. Im all to encourage compagnies in those cases.

And to go full circle and get back to porn, obviously we are at a crossroad. Some dinosors are dying or dead (as i said above) while other compagnies adapted. But its much harder for indy and niche content maker.

Thats why i would say it would be a good idea maybe to try the tube sites again. Lots changed since 2011. And as you say even if you pay peoples to do DMCA claim or what peoples commonly refer as "copyright trolls", one will go away and 2 more will pop out.

I see a lot of niche content also joining a network or "portal". This can be a solution maybe too.

In any case all of what i say here is obviously just my personal opinion and i am by no mean a pro wall streek analyst or whatever Just an "old" porn fan who started watching in the early 2000s and saw the major major evolution of the market.

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Not the first time this happen. Its like when kim dot com from megaupload was arrested and condemned. The key word there is that these peoples MAKE MONEY out of the traffic in publicity. The smart ones manage to host the websites in countries where they won't have problem, they use loopholes and trix and this is why they manage to continue operating. Often when one is close, 2 new ones open up.

Nothing new in all of this.

The law will never bother to go after individuals who just stream a movie or download it. Cause if they did that, they would had to go after like 50% of the population of earth ...

It is possible internet compagnies get more restrictive and may block websites etc, but this is why VPN are gaining in popularity.

Personally i call this the law of the 3 Ps, wich is basically something illegal but law don't really care.

Piracy
Pot (Weed)
Prostitution

Those 3 things are thecnically illegal, but as long as you don't disturb the population or get reckless, you will never have problems. They sometimes bust weed distributors but everytime they cease some, there is 2x more ready to go and somebody else will do it. Citizen X will always be able to buy his weed, be it legal or not.

Same for prostitution, as long as you call escorts to your hotel room, obviously aged 18+ and doing this job from there free will, police will never bother you.

And finally Piracy its the same... if you download for yourself and do not intend to make money out of it or anything, they will never bother going after you.

This is basically illegal things that are tolerated. I would be very surprise if this change.

But yes from time to time they will always make the websites close, arrest the webmasters who make money out of it trough ads, then 1 week later or less another guy will re-open a new place and things will continue. Thats life...