Si ce biz était proprement et professionnellement organisé en Europe
à travers par exemple un portail de type "ErosEu"
de façon à dégager les proxo qui pourraient parasiter le milieu
le système pourrait être gagnant-gagnant
pour les filles et pour le X.
Pornstar and escort / Porn actrices and "escort"
Re: Pornstars who are also working beside as an escort
Oui en ce cas tu as raison, mais ca c'est plustot la prostitution "normale" est ne pas l'escort. Dans l'escort c'est le client qui doit payer tout! La chambre d'hotel, le vol, les repas. Et dans le cas susmentionnes le client doit payer en plus 1'500-1'700 euros seulement pour le rendez-vous. Donc la fille peut garder en poche a peu pres 1'000 euros pour un client et un rendez-vous de 24 heures. A mon avis c'est tres bon.PIERRE WOODMAN wrote:Une fille prend entre 100 et 300 euros par client mais reverse la moitié à son agence ( mac ? ) et paye aussi sa chambre d'hotel !
Donc pour être plus précis elle travaille pendant 8 à 12 heures pour garder en poche 500 à 800 euros ! Mais avec 5 à 10 hommes sur le dos selon configuration.
Pour certaine c'est pas trop dur mais pour d'autre ça devient vite l'enfer au bout de quelques jours et si les rendez vous ont été pris, elle n'ont pas le droit de dire NON !
L'anne passee j'ai rencontre une fille d'une agence allemande. J'ai du payer la chambre d'hotel, le vol, les repas et en plus 1'800 euros uniquement pour le meeting. La fille etait super jolie


Donc je pense que pour les filles du porno c'est ne pas facile de resister a cette tenation. Je ne sais pas combien elles garde en poche pour un shooting de porno mais je pense que l'escort (et pas la prostitution normale) est une bonne alternative.
Dans le cas des trois filles du porno qui sont aussi ici sur le site de Pierre et qui travaillent vraisemblablement pour cette agence je pense que c'est une tres bonne alternative pour augmenter leurs revenus d'une maniere facile.
Re: Pornstars who are also working beside as an escort
I agree, especially in a 24hrs escort meeting the sex part is only a small part. Besides sex is always with condom and in porn normally they don't use condoms. Some escorts even offer oral only with condoms! So I presume it is at least a little bit safer. Of course we are talking here about first-class escort agencies and not brothels where you have sex with 7 men per day. The mentioned Czech agency with the famous pornstars is certainly within this first class. And they offer these girls under the same conditions as the "normal" girls on the website and do not advertise them as pornstars. So any client who doesn't know the porn industry doesn't even know that he is booking a girl that works also as a pornstar.St Dav wrote: Always more money, and you know, sex on a porn shooting is very different. Not the bad trips of prostitution, but, more hard work I think, taking the poses, cleaning the asshole, making the anal as long as the film needs it... etc...
When you're a prostitute, you're the master, even if you fullfill your client's desires, you stay the master, you can stop him, don't allow many things. When you shoot porn, it's very different.
You think even the AVN's Best Anal Girl, will do so many Ass to mouth with a client than for a gonzo... Don't dream....
So I believe that the escort service, even if not so good for the soul (that you can suffer later), is better on the immediate action, the man can be soft, sweet, cum quickly, even if 24h escort, it's much time speaking, sleeping, etc.... Than on porn, moreover if very hard set....

Re: Pornstars who are also working beside as an escort
Very interesting discussion. May I join you?
I have 2 remarks:
1- Why do you use the word "escort"? For me an escort is a girl you rent to impress your friends, your parents
or your business partners. Of course, eventually, you can have sex with her if you find an agreement. Let's call a spade a spade (or in French "appeler une chatte un chatte", the play of word in not translatable in English).
2- I do agree with Pierre, even I don't know the porn business I am sure it is much more secure to be a porn actress (I don't like the word porn-star because when you are a star, in football, politic or porn, people recognize you in the street, 99% of these girls are anonymous and will stay anonymous) than to be a call-girl.
How many stories of call-girls who felt in a trap! Recently I read in a French news paper that a gang near Paris used to invite call-girl from East and then didn't pay the money promise, raped them, beat them, stole their money, stole their money and the pass and finally acted like pimps and sold them to clients in Paris. And I don't speak about the clients who refuse to use a condom!
I have 2 remarks:
1- Why do you use the word "escort"? For me an escort is a girl you rent to impress your friends, your parents

2- I do agree with Pierre, even I don't know the porn business I am sure it is much more secure to be a porn actress (I don't like the word porn-star because when you are a star, in football, politic or porn, people recognize you in the street, 99% of these girls are anonymous and will stay anonymous) than to be a call-girl.
How many stories of call-girls who felt in a trap! Recently I read in a French news paper that a gang near Paris used to invite call-girl from East and then didn't pay the money promise, raped them, beat them, stole their money, stole their money and the pass and finally acted like pimps and sold them to clients in Paris. And I don't speak about the clients who refuse to use a condom!
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Re: Pornstars who are also working beside as an escort
I must agree with Booz on this thread. Confusing the 2 things is a big mistake. It is a big mistake because, being in this business you can get in big trouble. If you are a model agent your partners are expecting from you to show up with models for a biz lunch usually. ...
Escorting doesn't mean, the lady is going with you at a business dinner, or party entertainment whatever else must also fuck with you. She's exactly there only to impress as the limo you arrive with, the smoking suite you wear, the watch you hold on your arm, etc.
A professional escort girl must have her limits, and to know where is the end of her mission.
Sad but theese days this is the " Mission impossible" with hungarian girls. If they smell the money, you can't stop them to not going more fahr.
I had problems because of this in my past, even I made an agreement with the model regarding this issue.
Regarding what is more safe and healthy, to be an adult model, or a prostitute ?
I can tell only few things.
The adult model is fucked without condom, but by mens having full laboratory test results on the set.
Even if the scene look rude, or too much hard, they're usually more professionals than the amatour people going sometime to fuck a whore and to do with it what they can't do with they're partner at home...
Secondly a professional can use his dick, can take care about the model. The amateur even with small sized dick can make big damages on a pussy or asshole, when playing the macho
Even if they take a condom, they can easily take it off when they fuck the girl in doggy
I heard this from some models of mine was happening with them. Usually mens don'tlike to use condom, and why do they care about a prostitute doesn't know anything about them???
I heard about some desperate HIV infected stories, maybe only tales, when the guy was infecting few whores this way because he had only more few months of life, and he was mad, and angry on all the whores in this world.
In our biz. all the HIV problems I remember in the past few years, were coming into the biz through models working as prostitute too.....
Escorting doesn't mean, the lady is going with you at a business dinner, or party entertainment whatever else must also fuck with you. She's exactly there only to impress as the limo you arrive with, the smoking suite you wear, the watch you hold on your arm, etc.
A professional escort girl must have her limits, and to know where is the end of her mission.
Sad but theese days this is the " Mission impossible" with hungarian girls. If they smell the money, you can't stop them to not going more fahr.

I had problems because of this in my past, even I made an agreement with the model regarding this issue.
Regarding what is more safe and healthy, to be an adult model, or a prostitute ?
I can tell only few things.
The adult model is fucked without condom, but by mens having full laboratory test results on the set.
Even if the scene look rude, or too much hard, they're usually more professionals than the amatour people going sometime to fuck a whore and to do with it what they can't do with they're partner at home...
Secondly a professional can use his dick, can take care about the model. The amateur even with small sized dick can make big damages on a pussy or asshole, when playing the macho
Even if they take a condom, they can easily take it off when they fuck the girl in doggy

I heard this from some models of mine was happening with them. Usually mens don'tlike to use condom, and why do they care about a prostitute doesn't know anything about them???
I heard about some desperate HIV infected stories, maybe only tales, when the guy was infecting few whores this way because he had only more few months of life, and he was mad, and angry on all the whores in this world.

In our biz. all the HIV problems I remember in the past few years, were coming into the biz through models working as prostitute too.....
Re: Pornstars who are also working beside as an escort
Lorsque des actrices de X participent à des "tours" dans les villes européennes
il faut une certaine dose d'inconscience !!!!!
tout peut arriver , entre viols et vol ....
mais je crois que dans ce cas elles ont perdu leur statut de "pornstar"
pour choisir la prostitution pure et dure et les "réseaux" ...
Dans le monde du X , tout n'est pas parfait non plus,,,
Je me souviens d'une actrice de X, Zara White, il me semble
qui dans une émission de Cauet en France,
déclarait avoir passer une semaine en Italie près de Bologne
à encaisser 2 à 3 scènes par jour
et ,,, attendait toujours d'être payé .......
pas vraiment du vol , pas vraiment du viol, mais guère mieux,
Mais ces derniers temps les jeunes filles de Prague sont devenus très pro ...
Peut être fini l'époque de Jeff et les marges des agences à 30 ou 50% .....
Aujourd'hui plusieurs utilisent les agences uniquement comme "net advertising"
et ne leur laissent que des miettes ,
50 à 100 euros max pour un meeting de 3h à 500 euros
ce qui n'est déjà pas si mal , mais rien sur les "options"
naturellement le client prend à sa charge hôtel & frais ...
et avec une jeune fille aussi adorable que DG,,,,,
les options pleuvent...tout en ayant des rapports protégés
500 au départ pour 3h
et
2000 à l'arrivée pour une nuit , avec options!!!
mais sans regrets
bienvenue au Buddha bar !!!!!!!!!!!!
Il est impératif pour le X de trouver une solution pour concilier tout ça ....
il faut une certaine dose d'inconscience !!!!!
tout peut arriver , entre viols et vol ....
mais je crois que dans ce cas elles ont perdu leur statut de "pornstar"
pour choisir la prostitution pure et dure et les "réseaux" ...
Dans le monde du X , tout n'est pas parfait non plus,,,
Je me souviens d'une actrice de X, Zara White, il me semble
qui dans une émission de Cauet en France,
déclarait avoir passer une semaine en Italie près de Bologne
à encaisser 2 à 3 scènes par jour
et ,,, attendait toujours d'être payé .......
pas vraiment du vol , pas vraiment du viol, mais guère mieux,
Mais ces derniers temps les jeunes filles de Prague sont devenus très pro ...
Peut être fini l'époque de Jeff et les marges des agences à 30 ou 50% .....
Aujourd'hui plusieurs utilisent les agences uniquement comme "net advertising"
et ne leur laissent que des miettes ,
50 à 100 euros max pour un meeting de 3h à 500 euros
ce qui n'est déjà pas si mal , mais rien sur les "options"
naturellement le client prend à sa charge hôtel & frais ...
et avec une jeune fille aussi adorable que DG,,,,,
les options pleuvent...tout en ayant des rapports protégés
500 au départ pour 3h
et
2000 à l'arrivée pour une nuit , avec options!!!
mais sans regrets
bienvenue au Buddha bar !!!!!!!!!!!!
Il est impératif pour le X de trouver une solution pour concilier tout ça ....
Re: Pornstars who are also working beside as an escort
Ricardo ,,,,
les gens dont tu parles ,
rapport sans préservatif , à jouer les machos ....
ce sont des racailles
et quand s'ils sortent de leur Zone
ils préféreront 10 filles de l'Est dans un club à Barcelone
qu'une Pornstar à Prague ,
pour le même prix !!!!!!!!!!!
les gens dont tu parles ,
rapport sans préservatif , à jouer les machos ....
ce sont des racailles
et quand s'ils sortent de leur Zone
ils préféreront 10 filles de l'Est dans un club à Barcelone
qu'une Pornstar à Prague ,
pour le même prix !!!!!!!!!!!
Re: Pornstars who are also working beside as an escort
I don't agree with you. The guy who wants to do something bad to a whore will never go to a brothel because this place are hight secured. The client who will illtreat a girl in such place would spend a very bad time.adibou wrote:Ricardo ,,,,
les gens dont tu parles ,
rapport sans préservatif , à jouer les machos ....
ce sont des racailles
et quand s'ils sortent de leur Zone
ils préféreront 10 filles de l'Est dans un club à Barcelone
qu'une Pornstar à Prague ,
pour le même prix !!!!!!!!!!!
"Les femmes ne recherchent pas le bel homme. Les femmes recherchent l'homme qui a eu de belles femmes." Milan Kundera
Re: Pornstars who are also working beside as an escort
Money talks to this girls...Booz wrote:adibou wrote:Ricardo ,,,,
les gens dont tu parles ,
rapport sans préservatif , à jouer les machos ....
ce sont des racailles
et quand s'ils sortent de leur Zone
ils préféreront 10 filles de l'Est dans un club à Barcelone
qu'une Pornstar à Prague ,
pour le même prix !!!!!!!!!!!
I don't agree with you. The guy who wants to do something bad to a whore will never go to a brothel because this place are hight secured. The client who will illtreat a girl in such place would spend a very bad time.

he can't fuck an adult model isn't doing prostitution, only one is doing it. And here is my point

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Re: Pornstars who are also working beside as an escort
They all (almost all) do escorting (and under escort I mean prostitution). Usually they split up the "working" days: porn, escort at different locations, etc.
Through prostitution there's a whole lot of money to be earned (because one can do it non-stop whereas porn jobs only come from time to time).
It all depends how someone can hide her escort activity from others, or on the contrary: how she advertises herself to make herself well known and sought after.
Through prostitution there's a whole lot of money to be earned (because one can do it non-stop whereas porn jobs only come from time to time).
It all depends how someone can hide her escort activity from others, or on the contrary: how she advertises herself to make herself well known and sought after.