RUSSIA - UKRAINE 2022 CONFLICT

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PIERRE WOODMAN wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2024 12:15 pm
mspm89 wrote:
Sat Jun 15, 2024 2:23 am
Great, the guy above also has Trump Derangement Syndrome on top of everything else. :lol:
That is for sure !!!
If Trump comes back in November I hope the first thing he will do is to stop the war in Ukrain ...

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I copied this post to a more appropriate thread because I decided to comment on it briefly.

In my opinion, those people who have any hopes for Trump are deeply mistaken that he will change anything dramatically.
Both Biden and his vis-a-vis, Trump, are two freak-babblers who only talk nonsense and are not inclined to watch their language. Their main energy is directed to the internal struggle for power as representatives of certain lobbying financial groups, and they mostly only care about what they will have inside the United States. The rest of the world is secondary for them, and they don't care about many world problems at all, because they are used to ignoring anyone in the world to achieve their interests. Yes, and the power of the US Presidents is rather nominal and formal. US Presidents are just hired managers. It's just that Trump is disliked by the so-called "deep state" because he is more of a non-systemic candidate. Trump relies heavily on the electorate of the native average American, who are increasingly unhappy with what is happening inside the US. But that doesn't make him any less "hands-off", he'll just be carrying out the lobbying objectives of other capitalist groups. And the "deep state" has always benefited from the kind of US foreign policy it has always pursued since World War II.
Therefore, no one will let Trump do anything that is not favorable to the governing establishment. He's already been president of the United States, so what? Everything he promised in foreign policy, he was not given anything to do. Biden is even a more experienced politician, he's just an old man out of his mind. But Biden has a "deep state" behind him that made him a team and controls Biden and his team. Trump has no team, all his advisors during his presidency have sabotaged his actions and decisions more than helped him. The only thing is that Trump may shift the focus of his foreign policy to China, because Trump is more of a trader, and the U.S.'s economic priority is to contain its main economic competitor. But in the global geopolitical competition, no one will let him leave Russia alone. Simply, he will make tame Europe pay more to NATO and give it the frontline of the collective West's struggle to contain Russia. And the U.S. will switch more to confrontation with China.
So Europe is unlikely to be helped by Trump's rise to power, but rather the opposite.

So I don't believe Trump can do any good on foreign policy. He is a very emotionally unstable man, hostage to his passions and extremely talkative. He is very unpredictable and stupid. I remember when his daughter Ivanka came to him during his presidency and complained about the fake, staged "chemical attack" by the White Helmets in Syria. Trump ordered a missile strike on Syria. The missiles hit nowhere, but is this a responsible decision by the president of a serious nation?
He ripped up the Iran nuclear deal. Why?
His Jewish entourage (family lobby), will make him act more aggressively to help Israel.
Every new president that comes to the US is unpredictable in his actions, and starts experimenting on the world.
The US is a dangerous country, in terms of public policy.

Thus, it is unclear what to expect from Trump. He is an irresponsible person.
Both of these major presidential candidates are simply playing to the public, nothing more. In reality, the US is run by completely different actors.

I even doubt Trump will become president. His competitors will do everything to prevent this from happening.
Personally, my only hope is that if Trump does become President of the United States, this arrogant state will have some serious domestic civil problems of its own to distract them from the constant spreading of harm around the world.

P.S. The war in Ukraine will end only by Russia itself, when it forces the collective West to sign the peace on Russia's terms!!!

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Pierre look at this https://youtu.be/7GaZzfSLVI8?si=_l2QLDHDR8ItBNdO

Jésus , what is your feeling about it ?

So sick to destroy a child hospital,

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Jean wrote:
Tue Jul 09, 2024 2:24 am
Pierre look at this https://youtu.be/7GaZzfSLVI8?si=_l2QLDHDR8ItBNdO

Jésus , what is your feeling about it ?
Jean wrote:
Tue Jul 09, 2024 2:24 am
So sick to destroy a child hospital,
For the NATO summit, Ukraine prepared another provocation and created an infomercial by killing its children so that Zelensky could once again ask for weapons and shout "how bad Russia is".

But, the thing is, no matter how hard the Ukrainian censorship tries to react, so that Ukrainian citizens do not shoot videos or take photos of the moments of missile strikes, they still post these videos in their Telegram channels.

All independent experts have already confirmed that the Okhmatdet hospital in Kyiv was hit by a missile from a Ukrainian air defense system.

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https://www.youtube.com/shorts/73h2xi87 ... ture=share

In the comparison photo and video, it is clearly seen that this is not a Russian Kh-101 missile.
The falling missile is a munition used by the Ukrainian armed forces in the NASAMS anti-aircraft systems supplied by Norway. This is one of the modifications of AIM-120, which is converted into a surface-to-air variant.

So, again, they are creating an information occasion to influence the emotions of people in the world, but everyone just became a hostage of Ukrainian and Western disinformation in general. Actually, as usual.

No one in the West is talking about the constant shelling of residential areas of Russian cities bordering Ukraine, nor is the media showing it.

No one talks about the recent Ukrainian strike with American MGM-140 ATACMS missiles on the beach in Sevastopol, where children were killed.
Here, Jean, watch this video, you bastard, maybe you'll cry for these people too, you fucking provocateur! :!:

https://youtu.be/ocQKtti43Eg

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Jean wrote:
Tue Jul 09, 2024 2:24 am
Pierre look at this https://youtu.be/7GaZzfSLVI8?si=_l2QLDHDR8ItBNdO

Jésus , what is your feeling about it ?

So sick to destroy a child hospital,
I feel same, it's horrible and give me tears in eyes every time I see something somewhere involving pain or death on kids !!!

But honestly after so many years of fake information, snakes strategies, lies from press or any gouvernment I think it's very hard to be sure if it's really a russian missile or as Vitaly said a mistake from Ukrain as it already happened and sadly happens in all wars and then you said " oh it's not us but the others" !!!

Who ever is responsible for that should burn in hell that's all I feel ...

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Well it's now been conclusively proved that it was a Russian KH-101 missile that hit the hospital. This in in accordance with the long term Russian policy of targeting civilians and infreastructure in Ukraine.

It's a waste of time arguing with this idiot, who does nothing but repeat the crap that comes out of the Kremlin propaganda machine.

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bobwww wrote:
Tue Jul 09, 2024 2:09 pm
Well it's now been conclusively proved that it was a Russian KH-101 missile that hit the hospital. This in in accordance with the long term Russian policy of targeting civilians and infreastructure in Ukraine.

It's a waste of time arguing with this idiot, who does nothing but repeat the crap that comes out of the Kremlin propaganda machine.
Proven by whom?
By you, you moron?
Get the fuck outta here!!!

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Concernant l'Ukraine j'ignore pourquoi vous discutez tous avec mrVitaly vous connaissez son opinion l'otan est un démon nous sommes tous des malades pervers depraves et impures indignes de vivre tels des cafards ideux, toute l'Europe appartient aux gentils Russes qui vont nous libérer des démons, nous apporter la paix et la prospérité et nous distribuer des rations et des chocolats si on est sage et assez purs à leurs yeux ! Bref le bonheur Slave et la plenitude, les affreux Européens et les Ukrainien sont des sales Nazis indigne de vivre et manipulés par les très méchant américains gouvernés par Satan et leurs vices brrrrr

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Kh-101 Kalibr missile."
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one of the modifications to the AIM-120 missile.
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Even to people inexperienced in the military, the difference is obvious!

There is already information that the young Ukrainian who made this video and posted it online has already been arrested by the Ukrainian security service!
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/73h2xi87 ... ture=share

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The blasphemous lies of the Ukrainian political regime, does not spare its own people. And this is not the first time!

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Flying missile "Kh-101" Kalibr

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I forgot to add that this photo in the post above, shows the real missile, which hit the hospital in Kiev, and next to the right, the photo posted by the Ukrainian side with ineptly drawn air intake with the help of photoshop.
Well, it is impossible to draw large side long, straight wings, like the missile "X-101".
Just they were surprised that the video of the missile hitting the network.
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Spiderdog wrote:
Tue Jul 09, 2024 4:27 pm
Concernant l'Ukraine j'ignore pourquoi vous discutez tous avec mrVitaly vous connaissez son opinion l'otan est un démon nous sommes tous des malades pervers depraves et impures indignes de vivre tels des cafards ideux, toute l'Europe appartient aux gentils Russes qui vont nous libérer des démons, nous apporter la paix et la prospérité et nous distribuer des rations et des chocolats si on est sage et assez purs à leurs yeux ! Bref le bonheur Slave et la plenitude, les affreux Européens et les Ukrainien sont des sales Nazis indigne de vivre et manipulés par les très méchant américains gouvernés par Satan et leurs vices brrrrr
Pensez-vous vraiment que vos sarcasmes, vos analogies inappropriées, vos exagérations et vos déformations de mes affirmations ont quelque chose d'original et d'amusant ? :roll:
Non, vous vous trompez ! Cela, comme d'habitude de votre part, a l'air stupide ! Parce qu'il n'y a pas d'argumentation ni de justification de votre position, juste des étiquettes non fondées contre les autres.
J'entends beaucoup plus et constamment de votre part et de la part de gens comme vous toutes sortes de conneries et de négativités, tant à l'égard de la Russie que de moi-même.
Alors, si le vôtre est brrrrrrrrr, gardez-le pour votre personne aussi ! ;)
Vous m'ennuyez avec votre stupidité, rien de moins !

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