RUSSIA - UKRAINE 2022 CONFLICT

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El Major wrote:
Thu Sep 15, 2022 12:31 am
The nerve to lecture about debating and everytime someone has a diferent opinion than you and claim Russia is not perfect you post this . How about you looking in the mirror sometime?
Why should I write nasty things about my homeland? Why should I support lies about my country, my people, if they are lies?
Use your fucking brain sometimes...
Even if I'm somewhere, not objective in my assessment, and that's what I wrote about, that everyone here has a subjective point of view, I try to argue my point of view, attach some facts, and then lead a discussion with those with whom I disagree.
Create a thread about Russia, and believe me I will write about all the problems in Russia and my complaints about its leadership. (from my point of view!)
El Major wrote:
Thu Sep 15, 2022 12:31 am
Why do you accept Putin spitting in your face time and time again. Killing political opponents , allowing no critical media , enriching himself and his friends billions while sending out poor russian soldiers for little pay, poorly equipped as cannon fodder in Ukraine for no reason. Families not even knowing what happend to their loved ones because god forbid we should say this is a war. How can you allow yourself this. You have to learn to respect yourself so you can stand up to tyrants.
Why are you lying?
Who told you this nonsense, where did you read it?
Have you been to Russia yourself, at least in the last ten years?

There is more freedom in Russia now than all of you put together. In Russia, until very recently, they never touched the Western media, even though the latter blatantly carried enemy propaganda. All opposition political forces are still working perfectly well, and no one is infringing on them (KPRF, SR-Zf PravdU). Even Navalny had been working in Russia for years, even though he made no secret of the fact that he had worked for Western grants, and nobody bothered him until he started committing one fraud after another under the guise of his activities, and was repeatedly given suspended sentences. The people of Russia were outraged.
One of the main grievances of the people of Russia against Putin is that he is too soft!!!!

You open your mouth and talk about the lack of freedom in Russia, have you even thought about what you have going on? I don't know what country you are from, it doesn't matter. You haven't had any freedom for a long time, not in the European Union, not in the United States. To talk about some kind of freedom in the U.S. is such a ridiculous nonsense about the real thing, that only idiots believe this crap! A country where just yesterday the police brutally beat a detainee again, a country where dozens of people are murdered every day, a country with the largest prison population in the world, a country where only two political parties operate and there is no alternative choice, and the representatives of these parties, are chosen by the financial magnates who lobby them, far from the common people.
In Europe, where protesters are dispersed with police batons and water cannons, where only a few countries have direct elections of the country's leaders. I could write about this forever, the question for you is: "Is this supposed to be your "freedom"? Well, at least you studied the subject before you opened your mouth!

What do you know about the Russian Army to write your nonsense?
I am a retired military officer. I lived through the crisis in Russia in the early 90s, when the army was virtually abandoned to its fate. None of this is even close to happening now! Russia's military now has one of the highest salaries, very many social guarantees. I was entitled to a military pension for the rest of my life at the age of 37!!!
The Russian Army is now one of the best armies in the world, if not the best, at least in terms of combat experience, that is for sure. And this is not my assessment, it's YOUR assessment!
The Russian Army is now fighting at 20% of its real capabilities in Ukraine against the entire NATO bloc! And winning! There is a whole contingent of the Russian Army in Syria and it is conducting successful actions against ISIS terrorists, conducting large-scale military exercises in the Far East and this when the Army is conducting military actions in Ukraine. It is elementary logic, put your brain to work and think about how invested Russia is in the war in Ukraine, while conducting military operations, although not quickly, but victoriously.
Now the Russian military registration and enlistment offices are accepting volunteers to serve in the special military operation in Ukraine. They conclude contracts with them, with salaries ranging from 250,000 to 300,000 rubles. This is a large salary by Russian standards! In addition to a huge number of social guarantees and insurance. And this is being carried out, I have personally checked that the family of a dead soldier received 5,000,000 rubles of lump sum insurance and will receive a survivor's pension.
Thus, there are long lines of volunteers at the military registration and enlistment offices in Russia who are ready to go to fight in Ukraine even without pay, because they know what they are doing and what they are going to fight for!

Your problem is that you have all your information about Russia from your lying sources and from the 90s, when Russia was in deep crisis.
I know this for a fact because I have many acquaintances in Europe and in the US who tell me that they constantly have to change their compatriots' minds and get rid of outdated stereotypes about Russia.
In 2018, I attended many of the World Cup matches held in Russia. I talked to many fans who came to Russia from different countries. They were amazed at the difference between what they were shown and told all the time about Russia and what they saw with their own eyes. They were amazed at the highest level of service, the quality of life in Russia. And the championship was held not only in Moscow, but in many cities in Russia!

If you don't know shit about Russia today, why open your mouth and write outright nonsense?
I wrote about Ursula von der Leyen's remarks because it can be easily verified to be true, but where are your arguments to back up your words?

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The fact that you can take one statement from one european politician and write what you did to Jean as a conlusion and call it facts and truth are funny . I will give you that. Europe and the european pepole are going to hell accoriding to you . You can write lie after lie about Europe but god forbid someone pokes you back a little.

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El Major wrote:
Thu Sep 15, 2022 8:11 am
The fact that you can take one statement from one european politician and write what you did to Jean as a conlusion and call it facts and truth are funny . I will give you that. Europe and the european pepole are going to hell accoriding to you . You can write lie after lie about Europe but god forbid someone pokes you back a little.
Exactly, the fact that you can't say anything in favor of your opinion or refute what I said. That's the one that's clearly evident here!
My example about the remarks of the President of the European Commission is just one example among many, it was just three days ago. There are a huge number of such examples, and I could list them all. Just listen to how your leaders, to your citizens, explain the problems in your country. This kind of nonsense poured into the ears of the citizens demeans the citizens themselves. And you have nothing to say in your own favor but unsubstantiated claims.

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Once again its not the statement but your werid conlusions to Jean and all other Europeans in general based off that statement .

I have no interest going back and forth with you about Euope and Russia. If you actually think thats because you have great arguments that cant be debated thats fine.

I dont have anything against Russia and russians in general either. I have been to Russia but will probably not going there in the near future. I have a problem with the leadership and especially when they invade other countries.

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It's actually very funny to see Russians here who Pardon Putin's and atrocities :lol: :lol: :lol:
You might as well eat 💩 and tell me that it is very tasty :lol: I'm aure everyone gonna believe it guys.

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JDR wrote:
Thu Sep 15, 2022 12:24 am

OF COURSE ITS FAKE NEWS AND LIES!! What is fking wrong with you?
All "parents" and "witnesses" are actors to dupe the sheep. The SBU is in FULL control of the western Nazi press- where they film, what they film and who they speak to. You will even seen these "journalists" using identical words and propaganda framing.
You forgot the médical reports from legist, scars on body victims, ect, ID that has been found near bodys and who proove that many victim are simple Ukrain civils, not military Ukrain forces, but of course, you'll explain that it's fake body and all fake paper putted here by NATO, from the sky...

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just a number: Since the beginning of the war, 10,516 air alarms have been recorded on the territory of Ukraine, which means the threat of a missile, artillery or air strike. Many people in dangerous regions sat in bomb shelters and basements for months. Victims among the civilian population are even difficult to imagine, because a large number of people are considered missing, and the fate of people who remain in the occupied territories is also unknown. It is difficult for me to find an excuse for a person who supports or justifies such a thing

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pierro wrote:
Thu Sep 15, 2022 1:59 pm
just a number: Since the beginning of the war, 10,516 air alarms have been recorded on the territory of Ukraine, which means the threat of a missile, artillery or air strike. Many people in dangerous regions sat in bomb shelters and basements for months. Victims among the civilian population are even difficult to imagine, because a large number of people are considered missing, and the fate of people who remain in the occupied territories is also unknown. It is difficult for me to find an excuse for a person who supports or justifies such a thing
I know this is a porno website, but it still doesn't change the fact your brain is supposed to be between your ears, and not in your dick, which sadly appears to be the case for your comment here Pierro.

The courageous people of the Donbass have had to put up with these same threats and sirens for EIGHT YEARS. So please don't talk garbage. Don't fake concern for some civilians (who are safe from courageous Russian military) but conveniently forget about others who have been victim of this evil and corrupt Kiev Nazi regime for EIGHT YEARS.

It is difficult for me to find an excuse for a person who supports or justifies such a thing.

Russia does not strike civilian targets, so people are perfectly safe until their Kiev genocidal regime and army place military equipment there.The same regime also committed several false flags and has incidents of several anti-aircraft systems that have suffer mislaunch trying to intercept Russian missiles justifiably targeting military sites, with the mislaunched Anti-aircraft missile hitting and destroying residential buildings and killing many, that the lying Nazi regime then propagates to its sheep as "Russia killing innocent civilians deliberately".

Those bomb shelters are perfect by the way - built by the Russians/Soviets.

Victims among the civilians are caused by, and sole responsibility of the Kiev Nazi regime.
The "secrecy" of what happens to those on "occupied" territories is only because Western presstitute broadcasting decided to ban Russian media reporting into the west at the start of the war.

Nobody knows how many live in corrupt Ukraine because the census not done for 21 years, so it's easy for the regime to make dishonest claims about missing people, primarily because they are jealous scum of how FOUR MILLION UKRAINIANS decided to move to Russia since the start of the war.

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Jean wrote:
Thu Sep 15, 2022 1:21 pm
You forgot the médical reports from legist, scars on body victims, ect, ID that has been found near bodys and who proove that many victim are simple Ukrain civils, not military Ukrain forces, but of course, you'll explain that it's fake body and all fake paper putted here by NATO, from the sky...
As for the provocation in Bucha, no forensic medical examinations of people's bodies were carried out at Russia's request, with the participation of international independent experts. Do you know why? Because if it had been conducted, it would have been immediately clear who really killed those people.

Next, you're talking about murdered Ukrainian ordinary citizens. Do you think Ukrainian Nazis don't kill their own citizens?
Zelensky, on September 14, 2022, visited Izyum, which was taken by the Ukrainian army to check in with his Western handlers for his supposed "success." You won't see the enthusiastic Ukrainian residents of the city greeting their "liberators" next to him. Do you know why? Because most of the citizens of the city fled to Russia from their "liberators", and the remaining small part is being filtered by the SBU. I did not misspell "filtration," the Ukrainian authorities themselves said so! More than half of them will simply be shot and show you, your Western media, a new Bucha! Zelensky is afraid of his own people, in the supposedly "liberated" territories of Ukraine. Even in front of the formation of his own soldiers, he is guarded by SBU officers and Western mercenaries. And do you know why? Because he is hated by the citizens of his country, in the east so unequivocally!
https://youtu.be/pggxsyBi394

Here is Jean, your compatriot's telegram channel. I advise you to subscribe to it, you will learn much more truth...

https://t.me/donbasspacifique

pierro wrote:
Thu Sep 15, 2022 1:59 pm
just a number: Since the beginning of the war, 10,516 air alarms have been recorded on the territory of Ukraine, which means the threat of a missile, artillery or air strike. Many people in dangerous regions sat in bomb shelters and basements for months. Victims among the civilian population are even difficult to imagine, because a large number of people are considered missing, and the fate of people who remain in the occupied territories is also unknown. It is difficult for me to find an excuse for a person who supports or justifies such a thing
Just logic!
Various international delegations go to Kiev, to see Zelensky almost every other day, and they do not meet in bunkers, like at the time of the special operation. Do you think it was possible when, as you described, all the other citizens would be sitting in basements? Think hard...

Here's Secretary of State Blinken's September 09, 2022 visit to Kiev. I don't see them sitting in basements...
https://youtu.be/0bvQbdZxwcQ

Maybe somewhere in eastern Ukraine people are sitting in basements, in Dombassia for example, but definitely not in Kiev and not in Western Ukraine!

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Same bullshits all the time "8 years terror of donbass", "nazis", "bird biolaboratories". Nothing new from brainless propaganda. Hope you paid well for your BIG LIE

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