JohnWick wrote: ↑

Sun Jun 19, 2022 10:33 am

In todays world, everyone has to look out for themselves first, before worrying about other people.

I agree. Self worth is so important. If I could do porn I would do it for money also. I'll be the one taking off my clothes for the world so I want to be paid what I feel I'm worth. If people want to call me hooker etc for that then that's just lame and I wouldn't even care their opinion because I know who I am and ehat they say doesn't define me. Know me first then you'll deserve an opinion. But you know what they say, opinions are like noses, everybody has one and it usually has a couple of holes in it!

Hector wrote: ↑

Sun Jun 19, 2022 12:59 pm

It's not a game, it's business and nothing personal. It's her ass afterall and if she don't want it to be anyones property then It should be respected. Let her live her life with freedom the way she wants and not like a robot. She's a big girl and know what's best for herself.

Nobody forbid her to do anything, but it's also not forbid to talks, analyse the way model manage their career, selling the "first anal" to the best offer, it is, a game of spéculation, we talk about "mindset" here, prostitutes only see money, sex, in porn World, is not Always about only money , you have girls, on this site, who did their first anal, for the pleasure and the fun too, we can talk about it, and compare both way of thinking, sorry if you can handle the word "hooker", but there no fairy tales here, no "Disney" speech for anyone

Jean wrote: ↑

Sun Jun 19, 2022 1:28 pm

prostitutes only see money,

This is not true what you write. It's a stereotype. I know prostitutes who really enjoy their work. It works both ways even for pornstars. There's no such thing as prostitutes only work for money. I suggest you read what Trixxie fox said about prostitutes. Maybe you will see them in a different light.

The impression I get on this forum sometimes is that there's a constant need to label girls as prostitutes for being in this business for money, almost as if there's a sly attempt to poke fun at girls for doing so. Sorry if some of you don't value a girl as much as she does herself. It seems that there is an agenda here to make these girls feel crap about it and I just think it's really stupid. Sometimes it makes me to not even want to be here anymore and listen to all this judgemental nonsense about girls. We hear alot of shit about pornbox but I'm seeing the same thing here the last couple of weeks and I'm growing tired of it.

Corvinus wrote: ↑

Sun Jun 19, 2022 3:03 pm

Jean wrote: ↑

Sun Jun 19, 2022 1:28 pm

prostitutes only see money,

This is not true what you write. It's a stereotype. I know prostitutes who really enjoy their work.

Yes, but it's surely not the majority, and even those who enjoy their work, money is still on the table, you don't find prostitute working for free !

We had girls here, like Celine Verlant, her primary focus was a fantasm, be fucked by PW, she didn't cared about money.

Anyway, the deep problem, it's the mix career/mixed mindset between escort/pornstar, it only make bordelo, complicate things, as these 2 activity don't have the same parametters, even if both are based on sex, Porn have a "cinéma" side, (remember porn was in USA theater in the 70s), so the "hooker" mindset is not always the best, for sex entertainment, with an audience behind the caméra, who don't care about the high price that a model ask for anal !

Jean wrote: ↑

Sun Jun 19, 2022 3:32 pm

Yes, but it's surely not the majority, and even those who enjoy their work, money is still on the table, you don't find prostitute working for free !

We had girls here, like Celine Verlant, her primary focus was a fantasm, be fucked by PW, she didn't cared about money.

what kind of a fucking logical expectation is this?
So basically you are saying that you expect girls to do porn for free or less money to be considered not a bitch in the porn industry? These girls are here primarily to do work and get paid. They have families to feed and take care of. Not every girl is Cerline Verlant and do this for fun. Porn companies and moguls make alot of money. Their pockets are not running dry but constant complaining the girl is only here for money. You either can pay her rate or you can't. Even Baby Kitten refused to work for premiumbukkake because they refused to pay her what she asks. So everybody has a price.

I think we hear enough on this topic. Focus on Elisa otherwise just lock this topic or create another thread.

JohnWick wrote: ↑

Sun Jun 19, 2022 3:54 pm

These girls are here primarily to do work and get paid. They have families to feed and take care of. Not every girl is Cerline Verlant and do this for fun. Porn companies and moguls make alot of money. Their pockets are not running dry but constant complaining the girl is only here for money. You either can pay her rate or you can't. Even Baby Kitten refused to work for premiumbukkake because they refused to pay her what she asks. So everybody has a price.

1: it's not every models who use what they earn for "feed family ", a large % use it for many others things (shopping, travels, ect)

2: Everybody is free to ask any price yes, but imagine the situation, if tommorow, absolutly all models/newcommers, immediatly ask 15k $ for the vagina , and 30k $ for anal, it's just an exemple, but what do you think it will happen ?

3: Nobody called anyone "a bitch", we just talked about the mindset différence between those who put the sex pleasure first, and those who think about money first, you are the first, to appreciate a lovely nice girl like Lili Charmelle, who don't focus on money and don't ask crazy price, and who enjoy the sex a lot, not like some "robotic" models, no ?

Well yes, those are essential needs for everyday life. Some girls are also not so fortunate and come very poor backgrounds. But I aso don't appreciate the judgement here just like Caleb said. We don't know what these girls do with their money but are quick to put a girl down.
So when I see a girl like Yenifer Chacon I really admire because she might have worked for the circus taking multiple dicks, but the money she makes she uses for a good cause. Even buying toys for the less fortunate/disabled children in her homeland. So who fuck are we or you or anyone else to say they want money? They are not selfish but kind, but everyones brain just want to assume the worst.

A girl like Lili who love sex and not concerned too much about money I can appreciate as well, but it doesn't mean that other girls must be treated with less respect based on their financial needs. We don't know their pain or needs in their personal lives which they may not even tell you in a casting.

Too bad we won't be able to see her fantastic tits bouncing