niceman111 wrote:we can and should draw our opinions from what the evidence shows. and that evidence almost always comes from documented sources other than ourselves. I don't think that you personally experienced the nazi holocaust, does that mean that we cannot know anything about it just because we read from others. another thing we can do is examine past theories and observe whether or not they have come to light. the most outlandish conspiracy theory is held by you, and that is that there are no conspiracies. that people in power have no desire to hold onto to their power. that people NEVER conspire with similarly situated people to hold onto their power in a cooperative manner. and that goverments, media, and alike ALWAYS have the people's best interests at heart.

You are 100% correct, there are some "conspiracies"... plottings, more or less, to hold and keep power, of course. I have said this even in posts on other topics. However, this does not lead me to believe EVERY conspiracy theory ever presented to me. Many are just garbage created in the unstable mind of individuals removed from an organization, and thus carry a grudge.

We have physical proof of the Holocaust. We have more than just a handful of statements from individuals. We have physical evidence, bodies, photos, video, mass graves, government documents, etc., etc...

In science, the most reasonable (simplest) explanation is usually the correct one. When you start bringing in these involved statements from people that make outlandish claims with ZERO physical proof, it's a pretty good bet you can discount this.

niceman111 wrote:a main conspiracy theory for a number of years has been the new world order theory, that the elites are seeking to do away with national sovereignty in favor of a corporatism one world government. this to you of course is outlandish despite the passing of nafta, gat, globalized consumerism, the European union, nato , the opening the floodgates of third world immigration into the united states and europe ect. it seems that you are impervious to facts.

I think there is some "mild" truth behind this that has been distorted WAY out of proportion - of course, there are some that want this type of unification. But do I think there is some big secret society puppeteering this into fruition? If so, they are not doing so well, are they? How's the Euro these days? I lost about the equivalent of $10,000 in a two week period on the euro to dollar ratio... so, I can tell you it's not going too well for them. I hate Nafta, I hate NATO and of course we can see who benefits from these organizations. There is no secret conspiracy there, it's clear as the light of day. Unfortunately there are some who seek to turn this into some end-of-days scenario, and it just is not.

I'm not a Nihilist, but if you can not give me one fact, and can do no more than direct me to the website of a loony then I think this conversation is over.

niceman111 wrote:"i've been reading the history about secret societies such as the masons and the illuminati and their prevalence in the entertainment industry. they are involved in satanism and the occult and one of the main projects that they have developed and perfected is mind control techniques to create slaves and ritual sexual abuse as a contribution to satan. with that in mind, seeing how pierre almost hypnotizes these girls it raises my suspicion, as does the very consistent almost ritualistic manner in which he does his castings. does he have connections to this organization , is he perhaps cia or foreign intelligence (also members of the illuminati"

Let's not lose sight of the fact that this is the initial statement that started it all...

Not to downplay PW's industry, but you really think - if the illuminati were some powerful organization - they would find some benefit in PW "brainwashing", seducing, and creating porn stars?? I mean, really.