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Je suis ce fil de discussion depuis plusieurs jours et je constate une fois de + combien ceux qui ont vilipendé Poutine et la Russie retournent leur veste quand il s'agit d'analyser l'expression de l'impérialisme américain dans un pays étranger. Pour les supporters des USA...il est normal et légitime de capturer le dirigeant d'un pays étranger, sous prétexte précisément qu'il s'agit des USA!! Double standard des occidentaux, un grand classique! Absolument délicieux de voir la justification pour la capture de maduro: intervention totalement hollywoodienne dans sa forme et son "efficacité clinique", libération du peuple de son dictateur, défense des valeurs américaines de démocratie, enfin ce genre de connerie quoi!
Le venezuela a les plus grandes réserves de pétrole brut au MONDE, le venezuela cherche à s'émanciper du dollar américain, voilà les vraies raisons des guerres et des frappes américaines sur le venezuela, l'iran, l'irak, le koweit, etc etc etc etc
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Le venezuela a les plus grandes réserves de pétrole brut au MONDE, le venezuela cherche à s'émanciper du dollar américain, voilà les vraies raisons des guerres et des frappes américaines sur le venezuela, l'iran, l'irak, le koweit, etc etc etc etc
Lybia bis repetitas !!! Rien de nouveau à l'ouest masi effectivement ça dérange moins que si c'est Russe ou Chinois et je parie que même si il en arrivait à prendre le Groendland ( ce qui serait dingue ) personne ne bougera d'un millimètre en occident ...

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Prendre le Groenland est juste une question de temps

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TangoJLB75 wrote:
Wed Jan 07, 2026 2:12 pm
Je suis ce fil de discussion depuis plusieurs jours et je constate une fois de + combien ceux qui ont vilipendé Poutine et la Russie retournent leur veste quand il s'agit d'analyser l'expression de l'impérialisme américain dans un pays étranger. Pour les supporters des USA...il est normal et légitime de capturer le dirigeant d'un pays étranger, sous prétexte précisément qu'il s'agit des USA!! Double standard des occidentaux, un grand classique! Absolument délicieux de voir la justification pour la capture de maduro: intervention totalement hollywoodienne dans sa forme et son "efficacité clinique", libération du peuple de son dictateur, défense des valeurs américaines de démocratie, enfin ce genre de connerie quoi!
Le venezuela a les plus grandes réserves de pétrole brut au MONDE, le venezuela cherche à s'émanciper du dollar américain, voilà les vraies raisons des guerres et des frappes américaines sur le venezuela, l'iran, l'irak, le koweit, etc etc etc etc
Bonne année 2026 :lol:
I usually stay out of discussions in French because, even if I could use Google Translate, it's hard to keep up.

Again, people are conflating two different aspects: the hypocrisy of the Western powers (or indeed USA alone), and the legitimacy of the Maduro operation in terms of moral justification (or as moral as it can get, we're talking geopolitics here after all).

The second one: totally justified, the only downside is not having captured Maduro's second in command (Diosdado Cabello) too. Had it been the case, the overthrow would be almost by default complete; with Cabello still in Venezuela, the regime has bought some time to negotiate their impending rendition AND terrorize the population one last period.

The first one: I mean, for fuck's sake, the same people talking shit about Russia (wrt Urkaine) are the ones condemning Trump for this, for reasons you all can try to discern on your own. Venezuela is just a pawn in all of this, it so happens that you can't put them and the "Arab springs" and the rest of the goddamn Middle Eastern goat-fuckers in the same basket. It doesn't work that way.

BTW, the #FreePalestine crowd is just the #FuckVenezuelans crowd now. Funny how that works. Bunch of hypocrites.

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J'ai envie de dire ceci: ne me parlez pas d'une soi-disante "morale" américaine pour purger un pays d'un dirigeant qui les gêne; la seule motivation des USA est d'avoir juste avoir la main sur le pays qui possède les plus grandes réserves de pétrole au monde (et de loin). Les USA n'admettent pas qu'un dirigeant envisage de dédollariser son économie et son commerce afin de s'affranchir du joug américain. Khadafi a été éliminé pour les mêmes raisons...
Vous justifiez la capture de maduro pour son aspect moral. J'imagine que lorsque les USA bombardent partout dans le monde et quasiment tout le temps c'est pour purifier le monde?? :lol: Non c'est uniquement pour défendre leurs intérêts d'argent et d'énergies. Le business!

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You guys will never get it, right? Stubbornness is thy name.

VENEZUELANS by and large gave moral legitimacy to Trump's actions. They're the only ones who could give it, and they did.

They don't care that USA wants their oil. Russia, China, Iran and the rest of the leftist governments of Latin America have plundered Venezuelan oil all these years, why the fuck should they give a rat's ass if the plundering is done by another empire?

Stop the nonsense: Russia and China are empires just as much as USA, only smaller in projection of power (for now), and worse in a lot of respects. I wouldn't trust a Chinaman to pick up my dog's poo, much less to sell my country to them as Maduro and their ilk are doing.

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It's true that who ever is the "one" sadly if it's not USA then it's China or Russia or Europe who steal the oil of Venezuela and many place of the world. But from what I see for now it seems China and Russia are making "deals" who are fine with africans and Central + South americans better than american and europeans ( especially in Africa where they were all happy to kick out French / British and Germans ...

Now about Maduro, it's clear IMO he deserves to be in jail for the things he did to his population but also without the blocus of USA will it have been so bad for his country economy ???
And it's also clear the way american have "kidnapped" a president ( even if he has taken the place illegally the second time ) was absolutely not correct if the international accord have any value for someone in this world in 2026 !!!

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"International Law" has no real value, it never has. To single out this case in particular isn't right, not when the people so unanimously hated their illegitimate "leader".

I don't know a whole lot about the dealings in Africa, but in Central/South America? Don't be fooled by Russian shills like MVitaly (if you were as popular in China as you are in Russia, I suspect there'd be a Chinese shill here too :lol: ), though I would trust a Russian before a Chinaman. Chinese business interests in Latin America are like a plague of locusts, they'll exploit both the people and the natural resources worse than any American, the leftist leaders get their cut but the people get NOTHING, trust me on this.

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yeah possible but who is honest in this silly world !!!

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PIERRE WOODMAN wrote:
Wed Jan 07, 2026 7:24 pm
It's true that who ever is the "one" sadly if it's not USA then it's China or Russia or Europe who steal the oil of Venezuela and many place of the world.
PW
Of course, Russia doesn't have its own oil... :roll:
What do you mean, they stole it? The Chinese paid Venezuela money, and Russia invested billions of dollars to help the country, just like China did, when the West literally blocked the country.
Investing in the economies of other countries is normal economic policy for rich countries. Now remind me, what did the US invest in Venezuela's economy?
For those with short memories or a lack of information, I would like to remind you that American companies already owned Venezuela's oil market. And what did Venezuela get? That is precisely why Chávez nationalized the assets, because it was blatant robbery.
China could do without Venezuelan oil, especially since it is specific (difficult to process), which makes the final product more expensive. And for Russia, this is even beneficial, as it could replace supplies to China with its own oil!
There is absolutely no logic to this!
There are countries that are engaged in economics, and there are simply thieves who unscrupulously use force to coerce and rob defenseless countries!!! It's all very simple. And this has long been proven by history.



Now, I don't really want to comment on the absolute nonsense spouted by one of the participants in this thread, who calls himself an "expert" on Latin America, because there are only two possible epithets here. He is either an idiot or a traitor! There is no third option!
I know many such people around the world who emigrated from their countries, particularly to the US, and are willing to slander and betray the interests of their countries in exchange for a green card or potential American citizenship. This applies not only to Venezuelans or other people. For example, Reza Pahlavi, heir to the Iranian dynasty, lives in the US. He is even willing to encourage the US to bomb his homeland and his people. There are many such examples of traitors to their own people.
Therefore, I do not consider the statements of this character, who has the audacity to speak on behalf of all Venezuelans, to be serious. I am not going to denigrate or whitewash Maduro, because this requires real and legal evidence from the Venezuelan people. I am not interested in the ravings and fantasies of a clearly resentful traitor and the false and hypocritical propaganda of the West, and none of the people I have mentioned deserve to be trusted. It is obvious that Maduro has a huge number of supporters in Venezuela. This is a fact, no matter how much some people may dislike it. And it is understandable that he immediately became the target of attacks from the West and all kinds of traitors to his homeland, unwilling to become a puppet of the United States. Venezuela was literally blocked by Western sanctions, hindering the country's development. This is also a fact, and it would be foolish not to recognize or take it into account.
And it's not even about Maduro, because the theatrical staging of his kidnapping by the US has yet to reveal what it will lead to. We will monitor the situation as it develops, but let me remind you of some examples from history. Violent changes of power, especially from outside, have never led to anything good. Need I remind you of all the violent actions of the US in Latin America? Is anyone thriving?
There are various possible scenarios. These are only assumptions for now, but nothing good will come of it for Venezuela. And a precedent has been set that violates all principles of international law, and it is a precedent for everyone!
The possibility of civil chaos is obvious, but of course some people don't care about that, as long as the head of state they hate is overthrown.
The possibility that the US will simply install its puppet or a dictator is also possible, but that does not rule out civil chaos.
The possibility of war is also not out of the question.
But the possibility that everything will turn out fine is extremely unlikely. You are not listening to Trump properly. What you can't deny is his directness, arrogance, excessive PR, and talkativeness. He says outright that Venezuelan oil is ours, that is, the US's. And perhaps, I emphasize, perhaps, some crumbs from the profits of this whole pie will go to Venezuela. These are Trump's exact words! I'm not making this up. I've already talked about the history of American relations on the American continents and how the US already owned Venezuelan oil. Now here's a logic puzzle for everyone. Maybe you can draw your own conclusions from this story. It's obvious, even to people who aren't very bright.
As I said, it's not about Maduro. This is a theatrical production by the US, conceived with more important geopolitical goals in mind. Venezuelan oil is an important resource in itself, but it still needs to be extracted, and its processing requires large financial investments. So this is a long-term task. Trump, with his arrogance, bragging, and inflated ego, realized after coming to power that there are those in the world who are slaves to the US, and those who tell him to fuck off. In Eurasia, Russia and China told him to fuck off, so, with his wounded pride, he decided to stage a PR stunt by attacking little Venezuela to try to make it clear that the US's interests are paramount on the American continents, thereby irritating China and Russia and opposing them. And they don't give a damn about international law and the principles of a free economy, which they themselves hypocritically promoted!
The hypocritical excuse of drug trafficking is complete nonsense and international banditry, using force against defenseless countries to achieve completely different goals. Former Honduran President Juan Orlando Hernández can be pardoned for drug smuggling, while Maduro will be convicted by an American court for allegedly doing the same thing. Hypocrisy, arrogance, and double standards. Oh, we forgot, it was Biden who put him in prison. These are the usual hypocritical games played by the US, justified by their entire propaganda empire, cynical political thugs, and a bunch of simple idiots around the world who follow this propaganda. Drug trafficking should be fought at the borders of one's own country, not by killing fishermen and ordinary people in different countries. Especially since Venezuela is by no means the main hub for drug trafficking in the US.
So, those who are interested can follow the situation in Venezuela, but my prediction is very skeptical about a favorable outcome for this country...
mspm89 wrote:
Wed Jan 07, 2026 6:56 pm
I wouldn't trust a Chinaman to pick up my dog's poo....
You've become completely insolent, Nazi! :evil:

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