BlackSon wrote: ↑

Fri Feb 21, 2025 7:26 am

peetee1 wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 20, 2025 10:25 pm

im not a kamala voter
not gay
and i call propaganda out when i see it

all you have done "mr know it all" is prove my point about the insults

Yet you can't call out the propaganda that YOU are watching, because EVERYTHING is propaganda, one way or another. Propaganda is not an argument, it's neither good nor bad, it just is. So find a better argument, and again, some hardcore facts, instead of "propaganda, lies, etc." Otherwise, you have nothing and just words. You've already been called out when you said Russians can't leave their country and presented with facts that said otherwise. It would be another shame if you were called out on your statements again. So here's a chance for you to do some research

here we go again, just because 1 female porn star lrft russia that is your proof that 18 to 60 year old men are not on conscription, i also provided the evidence for the drilling under biden its ROUTERS , its litteraly impossible to get any sense out of a brain poisen by russia today a state cocontrolled propaganda channel

peetee1 wrote: ↑

Fri Feb 21, 2025 1:15 pm

BlackSon wrote: ↑

Fri Feb 21, 2025 7:26 am

peetee1 wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 20, 2025 10:25 pm

im not a kamala voter
not gay
and i call propaganda out when i see it

all you have done "mr know it all" is prove my point about the insults

Yet you can't call out the propaganda that YOU are watching, because EVERYTHING is propaganda, one way or another. Propaganda is not an argument, it's neither good nor bad, it just is. So find a better argument, and again, some hardcore facts, instead of "propaganda, lies, etc." Otherwise, you have nothing and just words. You've already been called out when you said Russians can't leave their country and presented with facts that said otherwise. It would be another shame if you were called out on your statements again. So here's a chance for you to do some research

here we go again, just because 1 female porn star lrft russia that is your proof that 18 to 60 year old men are not on conscription, i also provided the evidence for the drilling under biden its ROUTERS , its litteraly impossible to get any sense out of a brain poisen by russia today a state cocontrolled propaganda channel

Not only are you brainwashed, but you also can't count and write properly. There are DOZENS, if not hundreds, performers from Russia. You can count them here on Pierre's site and other competitive sites. And by definition, Propaganda is communication that is primarily used to influence or persuade an audience to further an agenda, which may not be objective and may be selectively presenting facts to encourage a particular synthesis or perception, or using loaded language to produce an emotional rather than a rational response to the information that is being presented. So, EVERYTHING is propaganda, including EVERYTHING YOU'RE WATCHING AND READING. Enough of this "propaganda this, propaganda that" crap. And no, you DIDN'T provide any evidence, just your words. And your words in this case don't count. Mine do because you can easily check Pierre's site to see that I'm right. And I got the definition from Wikipedia, which, I know, may not be the best source, but still people do go there. So if you want everyone to believe, better present some sources where you got your information from. Or are you too lazy for that?

P.S.: Oh yeah, talking about Russians who can't leave the country. Tell that to at least 4 actors from the movie called Anora that everyone's talking about right now, including one Russian actor who's nominated for Oscar and other words. Yeah, he may not win, but your argument about Russian not being able to leave the country just shattered because of that movie

MVitaly5 wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 20, 2025 8:58 am

Pierre, I don't understand you, why are you repeating this absolutely far-fetched narrative of Western “false strategists” that Russia supposedly wanted to seize all of Ukraine or Kiev?
You yourself invented Russia's goals in this war, and now you are stating the results of the war on the basis of these goals that you yourself invented. Well, this is not professional, at the very least, and at the very most, just an elementary substitution of meanings.
Well, there are Russia's goals in a special military operation in the public space. They were outlined as early as 2022 and have not changed to this day. Why are you making things up?
The goals were as follows.
1). Protection of the Russian-speaking population in Dombass.
2). Denazification and demioitarization of Ukraine.
3). Non-admission of NATO to the territory of Ukraine.
That's it!!!
No one planned to take over Ukraine!
The fact that Russia now controls a third of the former Ukrainian territory is more a tactical result of military actions than the original plan.
By attacking Kiev at the beginning of the operation, Russia wanted to quickly force the Ukrainian regime to negotiate. And it achieved this in Istanbul. No one was going to take Kiev (a huge city) at the cost of numerous warrior casualties. The goal was only to blockade the city and force negotiations. It's just that Ukraine, under pressure from the West, reneged on its commitments at the Istanbul talks as soon as Russia withdrew its troops from Kiev.
Even Trump has now told you that Russia could easily destroy Kiev, but it won't do it.
Well, why are you making up these low-brow metaphors about “parade suits”?
What kind of nonsense is that? I did not expect such primitivism from you....

Please Vitaly don't tell me the 60 km long line of tank going to Kiev was there to take the road to Dombass !!!
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronolog ... _la_Russie
I know if Putin really wanted destroy Kiev he will have send a lot of missiles there and made a carnage. But personnaly I am sure the fact he attacked on 4 different part was clearly because he did not expected a huge resistance.
The russian army went to the suburd of Kiev before left and move to Dombass.
I saw on the news last week a journalist who explained he saw the parade costumes the soldats had with them in order do the celebration in Kiev. Maybe he lies but honestly even if I know how many fake info we have in europe about this war, I feel it's the truth and Putin thought his army will have a full control of the country in 3 days.
Anyway, now it's not so important, true or not, what is sure, this war has cost 400 billion of USD while the reconstruction of Gaza is 53 billion and a NASA program to send a man on Moon cost 200 billion.
So the humans will never understand the lesson of the past and are ready to do a WW3 when we need to save our planet and progress instead of regress !!!
Today Steve Bannon has made a nazi sign foolowing the gestual of Musk... what the fuck happen to the new USA adminsitration ???


For me Trump meant PEACE and end of the war. But what these guys are doing now is really a symbol of war and devastation.
So what is the deep meaning of all this ??? That maybe once the Ukrainian war will be finish Putin can send his army in USA for "denazification" because now at least some evidences are there !!!

Also Trump tweets are a bit too much !!!


PW

PIERRE WOODMAN wrote: ↑

Fri Feb 21, 2025 4:16 pm

MVitaly5 wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 20, 2025 8:58 am

Pierre, I don't understand you, why are you repeating this absolutely far-fetched narrative of Western “false strategists” that Russia supposedly wanted to seize all of Ukraine or Kiev?
You yourself invented Russia's goals in this war, and now you are stating the results of the war on the basis of these goals that you yourself invented. Well, this is not professional, at the very least, and at the very most, just an elementary substitution of meanings.
Well, there are Russia's goals in a special military operation in the public space. They were outlined as early as 2022 and have not changed to this day. Why are you making things up?
The goals were as follows.
1). Protection of the Russian-speaking population in Dombass.
2). Denazification and demioitarization of Ukraine.
3). Non-admission of NATO to the territory of Ukraine.
That's it!!!
No one planned to take over Ukraine!
The fact that Russia now controls a third of the former Ukrainian territory is more a tactical result of military actions than the original plan.
By attacking Kiev at the beginning of the operation, Russia wanted to quickly force the Ukrainian regime to negotiate. And it achieved this in Istanbul. No one was going to take Kiev (a huge city) at the cost of numerous warrior casualties. The goal was only to blockade the city and force negotiations. It's just that Ukraine, under pressure from the West, reneged on its commitments at the Istanbul talks as soon as Russia withdrew its troops from Kiev.
Even Trump has now told you that Russia could easily destroy Kiev, but it won't do it.
Well, why are you making up these low-brow metaphors about “parade suits”?
What kind of nonsense is that? I did not expect such primitivism from you....

Please Vitaly don't tell me the 60 km long line of tank going to Kiev was there to take the road to Dombass !!!
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronolog ... _la_Russie
I know if Putin really wanted destroy Kiev he will have send a lot of missiles there and made a carnage. But personnaly I am sure the fact he attacked on 4 different part was clearly because he did not expected a huge resistance.
The russian army went to the suburd of Kiev before left and move to Dombass.
I saw on the news last week a journalist who explained he saw the parade costumes the soldats had with them in order do the celebration in Kiev. Maybe he lies but honestly even if I know how many fake info we have in europe about this war, I feel it's the truth and Putin thought his army will have a full control of the country in 3 days.

PW

And who denies that the Russian army wanted to blockade Kyiv in order to force the Ukrainian regime to negotiate. And it achieved its goals. The negotiations started in Istanbul and Ukrainian representatives initialed the agreements. And then, when the Russian army withdrew from Kiev, because nobody was going to take the really huge city. This would have involved enormous casualties among the military, civilians and urban destruction. After the Russian army withdrew from Kiev, then British Prime Minister Johnson came and dissuaded Kiev from signing the agreements they had initialed in Istanbul. There's direct video evidence of that, as Orahamia, talking about it. Yesterday, your Macron himself said they tricked Russia into pulling troops away from Kiev.
There were never any original plans to physically seize the territory of Ukraine (except Crimea and Dombass) and annex it to Russia. Don't make up goals that Russia did not set in this war, and consequently the results taken from the original far-fetched goals.
This is similar to the low-brow guile that is so beloved in the West: “Putin wanted to take over the world, but the ‘heroic West’ stopped him and Putin (Russia) lost!”. This is childish babble, worthy of low-grade tabloids and their readers. But none of the real politicians and analysts and just smart people, will fall for this nonsense. I don't know what category you belong to, but, frankly, I didn't expect this from you....
As for the rumor about “parade suits”))), fuck, I have never heard more low-consumption bullshit in my life. When I served, of course, I always had a military backpack with spare field uniforms, underwear and other necessary household supplies, but my dress uniform, always stayed at home in the closet.))) The only thing that surprises me is that you keep repeating this.
You see, your statements could be regarded as your personal point of view, based on your personal speculations, well, let it be on your conscience. Just for the sake of logic, I'll tell you something:
1). In 2014, after the coup d'état in Kiev, the local authorities in Crimea asked Russia to protect them from Azov militants and others who were on their way from Kiev for reprisals. Russia seized Crimea in 1 day, without any problems.
And now here is a question, for logical solution.
Why didn't Putin, go further, to take over Ukraine, to Kiev, to Dombass? If, as you say, he had such plans, why didn't he go further? What, would have stopped Russia then? The Ukrainian Army, they were a bunch of hunger strikers in 2014, who were twice surrounded and defeated by the miners militia in Dombass, after which they signed Minsk 1. Why did Putin wait 8 years? So that Ukraine could be armed and prepared by the West?
At a recent big press conference, Putin was asked: “What does he regret, as for the special military operation?” Putin replied, “He only regrets that this operation was not launched much earlier!” Everyone was waiting for the Ukrainian regime and the West to implement the agreements. Russia recognized the Dombass republics as independent from Ukraine only in 2022. And the West and Ukraine all this time simply deceived and supplied Ukraine with weapons, preparing its army for military action against the inhabitants of Dombassa, and then Crimea.
You will not have a logical answer to this question!!!
2). Now practically the whole world lives under capitalism, including Russia, where pragmatism is at the heart of everything. It is one thing to keep Ukraine in your sphere of influence, another thing to seize and annex its territories. Understand, no one needs territories with disloyal population, a poor, corrupt state, where a huge amount of Russian taxpayers' money will have to be invested. Why should Western Ukraine - this burden - be placed on the shoulders of the Russian people? This is elementary economic logic, which you also do not take into account when you engage in speculation.
Now in the European Union, they like to scare people that “tomorrow Russia will invade Poland and the Baltics and so on”))). Fuck, these countries were already part of the Russian Empire, and then the USSR (the Baltics). That's BALAST! Balast, which has always been balast and Russia doesn't fucking need it. They got rid of it in 1991 and rejoiced. Why take it back, this balast? Russia has a vast expanse of its own territories....
You have to reason logically to draw any conclusions!
And I won't even open a link to Wikipedia. You know how I feel about that source.
I can give you a link to Wikipedia, too, to an article about you. You like what it says about you! You're fine with it, it's the whole truth.” Should we trust this information?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Woodman

And when now there is hysteria and panic in the West, Russia will dictate its own terms, think about such a paradox, how it is the “losing side”, according to you, that is putting forward its own terms of peace. Does nothing in your logic alarm you?

I haven't any specific "logic" about the situation ...
Since the begining I said EU and USA have pushed for years and years to implant NATO in Ukrain breaking all agreement from 1997 between all parties and also 2014 in Minsk bringing the 2022's Putin decision to invade Ukrain.

So many people died on both side that it make me sad. Also I am fed up to see how humans can be stupid to fight in this period of world instability and spend so much money for the weapon instead help poor people and scientist !!!

That's my logic ...

PW

It's an emotion...

The world is quite cruel and pragmatic. And humanity, under the mask of hypocrisy, tries to demonstrate and position itself better than it really is!

You see, everyone has their own logic, and it has a right to exist.
There's yours.
And there is for example this one. Knowing from the world history, about NATO aggressions on sovereign countries, how many millions of people they destroyed that in Russia, there is such conviction that if they do not solve this issue now (or earlier), in the future will die much more Russians and other people from other countries. And try to convince them otherwise?...

MVitaly5 wrote: ↑

Fri Feb 21, 2025 6:20 pm

PIERRE WOODMAN wrote: ↑

Fri Feb 21, 2025 5:35 pm

I haven't any specific "logic" about the situation ...
Since the begining I said EU and USA have pushed for years and years to implant NATO in Ukrain breaking all agreement from 1997 between all parties and also 2014 in Minsk bringing the 2022's Putin decision to invade Ukrain.

So many people died on both side that it make me sad. Also I am fed up to see how humans can be stupid to fight in this period of world instability and spend so much money for the weapon instead help poor people and scientist !!!

That's my logic ...

PW

It's an emotion...

The world is quite cruel and pragmatic. And humanity, under the mask of hypocrisy, tries to demonstrate and position itself better than it really is!

You see, everyone has their own logic, and it has a right to exist.
There's yours.
And there is for example this one. Knowing from the world history, about NATO aggressions on sovereign countries, how many millions of people they destroyed that in Russia, there is such conviction that if they do not solve this issue now (or earlier), in the future will die much more Russians and other people from other countries. And try to convince them otherwise?...

the minsk accords were signed in 2014 russia did the usual trick of lying then comitting genocide , its pretty simple russia are the bad guys

Come on ...
Even many american politicians today says they tried fucked up Russia.
Merkel also did an interview where she said it was only to let time to ukrain to build his independancy ...
In fact they clearly all wanted implant NATO in Ukrain in order to manage the aquisition of the land with the mineral of the future. And still today it's also the case but Trump does it "his way" !!!

PW

PIERRE WOODMAN wrote: ↑

Fri Feb 21, 2025 9:53 pm

Come on ...
Even many american politicians today says they tried fucked up Russia.
Merkel also did an interview where she said it was only to let time to ukrain to build his independancy ...
In fact they clearly all wanted implant NATO in Ukrain in order to manage the aquisition of the land with the mineral of the future. And still today it's also the case but Trump does it "his way" !!!

PW

Absolutely right!




https://youtu.be/WvcU6XXWu1Y?list=LL

peetee1 wrote: ↑

Fri Feb 21, 2025 9:26 pm

the minsk accords were signed in 2014 russia did the usual trick of lying then comitting genocide , its pretty simple russia are the bad guys

You're so pathetic. Angela Merkel openly said that the Minsk agreement were just an excuse, they were stalling in order to weaponise Ukraine, the Ukraine and her bosses were going to fulfill them. I have a video to prove it. So don't try to shit on someone if you haven't taken off your pants