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Henry Miller wrote:
Wed Aug 14, 2024 9:51 pm
Pierre, je ne peux m'empêcher de saluer ici votre incroyable patience et votre esprit de tolérance...

Difficile en effet de rester patient avec des intervenants qui n'ont que l'insulte facile et gratuite à la bouche dès que les arguments manquent (aussi bien en français qu'en anglais d'ailleurs), je ne citerai personne... par pure courtoisie.

Pour ma part, il y a longtemps que certains intervenants auraient été bannis du forum, spécialement après tellement d'avertissements... et de récidives répétées.

Bon courage tout de même :roll:

Merci !!!
Disons que je pardonne ceux qui certe exagèrent dans certaine discussion mais qui en contre partie me soutiennent sur un plan général. J'essaye de ménager la chèvre et le choux mais j'avoue qu'il faut effectivement avoir beaucoup de patience !!!
C'est l'une des qualités principales des araignées non ??? :lol: :lol: :lol:
El Major wrote:
Thu Aug 15, 2024 8:16 am
PIERRE WOODMAN wrote:
Wed Aug 14, 2024 8:13 pm
Je peux comprendre Pierre, il vit à Budapest, très près des frontières du conflit, raisonnablement inquiet pour la sécurité de sa famille, ou de l'humanité en général, en réalisant où tout cela mène. A cela s'ajoute sa grande expérience de la vie, ayant vécu à une époque où la France (ou l'Europe dans son ensemble) essayait encore d'adhérer aux valeurs traditionnelles (chrétiennes, ou les lois de la nature, comme vous préférez). De par son activité professionnelle, il a eu l'occasion de communiquer avec les Russes et les Ukrainiens, et comprend qu'il s'agit d'un seul et même peuple, ou du moins d'un peuple fraternel.
Absolument !!!
El Major wrote:
Wed Aug 14, 2024 6:36 pm
Yeah , Your messages are real complicated :lol: . You should probably be more worried about Russias future than any other country. Tens of thousands are dying every month and war mongerering idiots like you are cheering on your countrymen to die because you follow your dictator like a sheep
I don't see him been a sheep !!! I think you or me will do the same if for instance we were in war with Belgium !!!
In some way we will be all sad to fight people who are since long time a bit brothers, speaking our language and very appreciate bt almost everyone. That will be a knife in heart for all of us and clearly impossible to accpet for 90 % of our population ...
That's also one the reason why I let him say all he feels inside his heart ... and if someone disagree with him, then just fight with correct words and precise points !!! That's all I am asking you guys ...


PW
I would not because Im not an ultra nationalist that think my country is perfect and has never done anything wrong and all other countries are going to hell like this Vitaly character. Its Russia that attacked another country and he had no problems with the suffering in Ukraine . He supported the war and still does. He just wants his countrymen to fight and die . Not him.

If he and the russian propaganda of Ukraine nazis is something they really believe in is true why are they sending the poor , prisoners and even soldiers from poor countries to fight this important war ? Are they cowards in Russia ? Or do they know this is a bullshit war? I think you know the answer. They way he and his lunatic friend talked about the people of Ukraine and their suffering in Bucha etc and you you are telling me we have to consider his feelings?

Anyways this is going nowhere but anytime I look here the very few people here that is not into this russian propaganda narrative like Jean gets told to shut up and leave and / or they are the reason their country is going to hell. All while Russia is losing tens of thousands of people every month.

And unlike the democratic countries the Putin fans hates so much Putin does not have to worry about getting voted out. Bush was voted out after the Iraq fiasco but Putin who controls the media and throws anti war people in jail or to the front. Not so much.

Obviously the GOP was voted out as Bush was done regardless. But the republican party and their neo cons was really unpolpoular after the Iraq war. Term limits is also something Putin dont have to worry about though after he changed the constituion like the dictator he is
But again, no it's not true that most people here are on the russian side !!! Don't see Jean and you El Major like the two "Calimero" of this thread !!!
I personaly feel that most people after two years start to see the figure of this war with clearer aspect than it was at the begining and this is why a lot of people are more reserved about positive comments for Ukrain !!!
I also feels from my discussion in taxis, shop, meeting that the general tendance has changed. Yesterday for instance Germany has clearly said that it's an Ukrainian guy who is responsible for the NordStream gaz explosion in September 2022.
But press has non stop repeated for two years it was Putin behind that ... which was a perfect non sens as it hurted european but also russians !!!
Clearly as always we are just the toys media are using to make us think as they want. I wached yesterday on Netflix " American Nightmare" ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKXEgcXcRnw ) and it's a perfect example how medias can't turn up a full country to change everyone's mind in a second. But truth often comes back and slap the face of liars ... ( I also myself showed that often ) !!!

That's why when El Major says "my country is perfect" it makes me laugh because NO ONE IS and just to pretend it is a huge sign of blindness to reality !!!
As Vitaly said I have passed more than half of my life to travel all over the world and been everywhere in Russia / Ukrain so I know probably better than many people been all their life seat down front of the TV in France, what can be the truth about who is what in this war ( but I am far away to pretend I understand all about it ) !!!
And if I ask everyone to be just respectful to others here it's because what ever anyone can say, we are NOTHING here just simple soul unable to resolve this conflict , so fight here with words as they do over there with real weapons is the most stupid thing any of us can do !!!

What I am just trying to say is that we are only witnesses but not all with the same background as Vitaly who is in the real war situation in Russia or many of my friends in Ukrain like for instance recently HELINA DREAM who went back home in Kharkiv after my shooting. She showed me terrible pictures from her city and her appartment who nearly got a bomb inside while a part of her building was burning. But she doesn't hate Russians ... guess who she is angry about ??? americans and NATO ...

And myself I am also angry that the liter of milk in Budapest who cost 99 ft in 2021 is now at 480 ft because of this situation in Ukrain. So yes it's true it's Vladimir Putin who has invaded Ukrain and yes Russian army has done horrible things in Ukrain but if someone bang your right foot with a hammer and you tell him : "do it again and I kill you" if he does it again on your left foot and you kill him, are you the true monster of the story ???
There was clear agreements signed for peace between Russia and occident after the end of the cold war, and one of the main thing was NEVER NATO BASES IN UKRAIN. Who has broken this deal ??? USA and EU and in 2014 Putin has taken Crimea telling the wold : "if you continue this game I will attack ALL Ukrain". But they did not stop and Putin has attacked Ukrain. Hundred of thousand of dead souls later it's a bit easy to say the only responsible of this tragedy is Russia but most people in occident think that way ... ( I'm not saying Putin was right to kill so many Ukrainian innocent people but I think without the dirty business of occident all this will have never happened because if Putin wanted invade Ukrain he will never have waited 22 years )

Here at least maybe all of us we can try to have a little bit more of opening eyes and widsom thinking no ???
Or maybe I am asking too much ...

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Maybe I did not word that perfectly so you misunderstood me about the support for Ukraine here. The point is that most people are here as your supporters of your work so they are not here to discuss politics much so people are tired of this war and dont bother to push back against this russian propaganda as before. When there was many people involved here its pretty clear the support for Ukraine against an invasion by the facist Putin regime was huge and people wanted Vitaly gone.

Second of all you are one of the very few here that agrees with Vitaly so your are not able to see that he attacks EVERY SINGLE PERSON here that are not Putin fans. And not only their opionions but personally as they are the reason why their country is going to hell or the entire westen world is going to hell because russian propaganda loves that.talking point. Remember when he was enjoying the prospects of what some thought would be very hard times in the winter for europeans because of gas prices etc. Or all the times he threatens bombing of europeans cities ?

Third I have no idea why you think you as a vocal fan of Putin for a decade and are so anti western democracy and look at all the tradisional media and call them fake but posts clearly fake news from social media or links to websites from social media with a clear russian bias to know the truth better han the rest of us.

You claimed when the war started and you supported the invasion that you knew more about this than other people because you travel to Ukraien and Russia etc. My grandmother traveled a lot to certain countries without being an expert on international policy and conflict. . Now you say the same thing. How do you end up posting russian propaganda if this is true.

When the horrible terror attack on Israel happend your reaction was posting russian propaganda that Ukraine funded this attack with weapons etc and called the media and people stupid for not talking about it . This was so obvious russian propaganda I dont even think I have seen Vitaly or the russian claim this since.

But you like conciracy therories and even when you are proven spectacularly wrong you wont stop to think so you will obiosuly blame USA and EU no mater what Russia does in Ukraine.

We can agree to disagree but my point is Vitaly getting a free pass to attack everyone here so only Pro Putin voices can be heard is `that the goal here?

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Henry Miller wrote:
Wed Aug 14, 2024 9:51 pm
Pierre, je ne peux m'empêcher de saluer ici votre incroyable patience et votre esprit de tolérance...

Difficile en effet de rester patient avec des intervenants qui n'ont que l'insulte facile et gratuite à la bouche dès que les arguments manquent (aussi bien en français qu'en anglais d'ailleurs), je ne citerai personne... par pure courtoisie.

Pour ma part, il y a longtemps que certains intervenants auraient été bannis du forum, spécialement après tellement d'avertissements... et de récidives répétées.

Bon courage tout de même :roll:


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Merci !!!
Disons que je pardonne ceux qui certe exagèrent dans certaine discussion mais qui en contre partie me soutiennent sur un plan général. J'essaye de ménager la chèvre et le choux mais j'avoue qu'il faut effectivement avoir beaucoup de patience !!!
C'est l'une des qualités principales des araignées non ??? :lol: :lol: :lol:

Bien vu 🙂

Et pour paraphraser légèrement notre ami Balzac, j'ajouterai même que certains thèmes de votre forum sont des toiles d'araignée à travers lesquelles passent les grosses mouches et où restent les petites. Une fois de plus, je ne citerai personne :D :) :lol:

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:lol: :lol: :lol:

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Pierre, I will agree with one of the participants here, I can praise your tolerance and patience, because I think if you were communicating on another forum, and not on your own, you would have said everything you think about everyone, without hesitation in expressions and epithets.
Only even with your attempts to be tolerant, diplomatic and constructive, you are wasting your time and nerves to explain something to some people here.
It's like talking to a tree.
You wrote him your point of view on many issues, arguing with your personal experience, and what did you get in response?
It's as if he didn't even read your post, just a set of phrases, labels, and incomprehensibly taken statements. In his opinion, you are already on the “black side”, so don't resist))). He likes to call someone a dictator, and himself a democrat, and is constantly demanding some kind of action from someone, or imposing sanctions against someone. This shows that this man does not even understand the concepts he is talking about. He has picked up all kinds of nonsense from TV about “dictators and democracy” and mindlessly repeats it, labeling everyone. He apparently dreamed up a statement about Russia's losses of 10,000 a month. Where did such nonsense come from? Or about whether the Russian army is made up of poor people or from poor countries. What is this nonsense? In Russia, to serve in the army for a long time go only volunteers and their huge number of willing. In Bucha, it has long been established by independent experts that this is a fake. It's just a set of unsubstantiated assertions on his part, baseless accusations of sympathy for “dictators” he made up for himself. And he doesn't even want to look around him, where and how he lives, and who rules him. Trolling and insults, that's his whole point.
In general, we can talk about it a lot, I don't even want to, because it is absolutely pointless, and I don't recommend it to you.

PIERRE WOODMAN wrote:
Thu Aug 15, 2024 9:52 am
Yesterday for instance Germany has clearly said that it's an Ukrainian guy who is responsible for the NordStream gaz explosion in September 2022.
Pierre, I still hope you don't believe all this absolute nonsense from the German authorities and The Wall Street Journal articles))). :lol:
I sometimes feel sorry for Europeans, how much your authorities want to consider you all as illiterate idiots. Because all this nonsense is aimed at the European audience, because, for example, in Russia, only laughed out loud.
The West is ready to blame everything on Zelensky and Ukraine, just to remove any responsibility from themselves. The German authorities, to make it even cleaner, to lick the ass of the U.S., and the American media, because they are preparing a replacement for Zelensky, and to blame their defeat on Ukraine alone.
Zelensky and his entourage, though scumbags, were happy to organize a terrorist act of this scale, but even a non-expert can see that Ukraine does not have such a technical capability.
All this nonsense about private divers does not stand up to any criticism from military experts, and is simply against elementary logic and the laws of physics.
I will not describe in detail all the technical conditions under which it was possible to perform this action, but if anyone is interested, I can do it.
I will only say that based on the scale of the explosion, such an operation could only be carried out using special conditions and special deep-sea equipment, such as deep-sea swimming apparatuses. Only highly trained specialists are capable of such an operation, and only a few countries in the world have such technical capabilities, including the United States, England, Russia, but definitely not Ukraine.

PIERRE WOODMAN wrote:
Thu Aug 15, 2024 9:52 am
....and yes Russian army has done horrible things in Ukrain....
... I'm not saying Putin was right to kill so many Ukrainian innocent people...

PW
I will leave it without detailed comment as your point of view, but I will still note that I disagree with it. And not because I am Russian, but just logic. Russia is not fighting in Ukraine as it could, with great destruction, as for example the West did with other countries or Israel is doing now in the Gaza Strip. Even the far from always objective UN confirms that civilian casualties in Ukraine itself are very small. For Russia, it is precisely the priority task that the ordinary civilian population suffers as little as possible. Naturally, it cannot do without casualties, there is a war going on, but no one, as you called it, “terrible things”, or “Killing of innocent Ukrainians”, is specifically concerned!!!

Don't try, you can't get away from the mindless labeling that you are supposedly a “Putin supporter” and other nonsense from some people anyway))) :lol:

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If someone clearly say they support someone for a long time and speak of them in glowing terms Vitaly thinks its absurd to call them a fan of said politician. Logic is clearly not his strong point.

But I get it. Being pro democracy and against dicators is not a view that is accepted here without being a target . When people feel they have to gang up on you using second accounts its clearly not a fair fight

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Pierre as-tu déjà eu des cas d'Ukrainienne qui refusaient de bosser avec des porformeuses Russe à cause de la guerre comme dans le domaine sportif où les Ukrainien refusent de saluer les Russe ?

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Russia is not fighting in Ukraine as it could, with great destruction, as for example the West did with other countries or Israel is doing now in the Gaza Strip
Yes I know and you should remember I already said that but got many people thinking I do Russian propaganda but yes it's obvious if Putin wanted just take the country he will have made a full huge attack on all cities with plane bombing all as does Israel for instance in Gaza. Totally logic IMO but seems not for many of my friends occidental who think he was fucked up after he got his 60 KM long line of tank destroyed my drones of Ukrainians.
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Fri Aug 16, 2024 10:19 am
Pierre as-tu déjà eu des cas d'Ukrainienne qui refusaient de bosser avec des porformeuses Russe à cause de la guerre comme dans le domaine sportif où les Ukrainien refusent de saluer les Russe ?
Jamais et même comme je l'ai aussi déjà expliqué par exemple avec Fibi Euros à qui j'ai dit : j'ia une fille russe qui va venir mais ne t'inquiète pas je vais la mettre dans une autre chambre" et m'a dit "Pourquoi ? met là avec moi on sera mieux ensemble" !!!
Donc là aussi il est clair qu'on ne fait pas du spectacle pour lécher le cul des médias occidentaux comme le font certain/e sportif/ves lors de representations publiques !!!
But I get it. Being pro democracy and against dicators is not a view that is accepted here without being a target . When people feel they have to gang up on you using second accounts its clearly not a fair fight
You are making a film in your head my friend !!! It's not because you are paying every month that I still keep you on this forum. I keep you here because I understand and accept your point of view until you don't express it to badly if you know what I mean !!! I banned some paying members who have been too much disrecpectful here ...
I don't lick the ass of anyone for money, I never did in my life even when I was poor so it's not today I will do it ...
I am against dictators but having brain means also sometime to think over the simple fact to say " oh this man is a dictator so it's an asshole" ... No sorry I have the pretention to be smart enough to see farer than that and understand that some countries need very strong men at the commands and when you have for instance in China + India 1/4 of the world population
with so many different type of people inside, give them a democratic system as we have and the planet will burn next month !!!
It's same in Russia, it's the biggest country on earth, how does it was looking when they tried be "cooler" with their population ??? Immediately start various destabilisation with politics and then with muslim from tchetchenia etc ... and who cleaned all the shit and brought stabilisation with a strong hand ??? Putin
Same story with first period of Orban in Hungary ( but less radical ) when there was the mafia in the 90's everywhere in the country hurting people.
You always clame those people are bad, but as french you should know this sentence " entre deux maux le moindre" which means between 2 problems always better those making the less of problems !!!
As someone travelling a lot worlwide, I can tell you often democracy is just a word but in the fact it's more or less everywhere the same but most people don't pay attention because there are nice tablecloth on the table to hide the dirt underneath !!!

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Spiderdog wrote:
Fri Aug 16, 2024 10:19 am
Pierre as-tu déjà eu des cas d'Ukrainienne qui refusaient de bosser avec des porformeuses Russe à cause de la guerre comme dans le domaine sportif où les Ukrainien refusent de saluer les Russe ?
Comme la question s'adressait à Pierre, je ne suis pas intervenu, mais je voudrais faire remarquer que de telles situations, comme dans le sport, se produisent souvent non pas en raison de la volonté personnelle des athlètes, mais en raison des exigences des organisations sportives ukrainiennes, qui se conforment pleinement aux ordres des autorités politiques. Les athlètes ukrainiens sont souvent simplement contraints de le faire.




Some people, like to label someone, especially using concepts that they either don't understand or fantasize about themselves, falsely attributing them in real life.
They do not ask themselves who is a bigger “dictator”, the one who deals with his country and is accepted loyally by the majority of the population, or the one who calls himself a “democrat” who is hated by the majority of the population and imposes his demands all over the world.
When Western politicians shout from every corner: “We are defending our democracy!”, “We must spread democratic ideals and values to everyone!”, etc. I get a chuckle when I hear it all the time, and I'm just sickened at the same time by all this hypocritical crap.
Under these slogans, these “democrats” destroyed Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Afghanistan, supposedly bringing “democratic values” to “totalitarian countries with dictators”. And in reality it was all just a hypocritical pretext to justify to such as some participants of this forum banal material gain.

I agree with Pierre, I say it regularly myself, that not all countries and peoples are suitable for all liberal forms of governing society and the state, due to their historical traditions, religion, philosophy, etc. And this should be respected and kept in mind, and not to interfere and pretend to be a “world policeman”, imagining that you are better than others, as a human being, and know better than others what someone needs in their lives.
Moreover, democracy itself has not existed for a long time in those countries who like to boast so much about it, in fact, as nowhere else in the world. I have already spoken about it and will not repeat myself.
Hence the references to the fact that some rulers of states have been in power for a long time, which is supposedly a bad thing, is also just a very subjective and controversial point of view. I'm not talking about the fact that these people like to point this out, but forget themselves how long, for example, Merkel was in power.
Russia has always had a tradition of power and centralized government. And here Pierre is absolutely right, it is with a rigid centralized power, such a huge and, most importantly, multi-ethnic and multi-confessional state, can normally exist. People in Russia have always honored the “Tsar, the Father,” his authority and justice, the protector of the people and the state. And it is not because in Russia, people do not want to be free, they just want to live in a free country with a strong and fair government, concentrated in the hands of not a bunch of temporizers, who only want to steal while in power and go to the tropics. Russia has already gone through all this in the 90's of the 20th century, and has had enough of this liberalism that it almost lost the state and stood on the brink of disaster.
As for Putin, despite the fact that he has been the leader of the state for a long time, he is not a dictator, because he does not have unlimited power, no matter what anyone in the West says about it. Yes, Russia is a presidential republic, and the President has always had a lot of powers, which by the way have been significantly reduced by the recently adopted amendments to the Constitution of Russia. Simply Putin, has a great trust of people and unquestionable authority, both at world politicians, and officials of various levels of management in Russia.
I personally have never voted for Putin, I have my own claims to him, but even I have to admit that Putin is supported by the overwhelming majority of Russians, and he does not forcibly retain power in the country!!! And you have to admit that there is also a huge merit for why they support him. This is not blind and crazy support, people see the result of his leadership!!!

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PIERRE WOODMAN wrote:
Sat Aug 17, 2024 7:58 am
Russia is not fighting in Ukraine as it could, with great destruction, as for example the West did with other countries or Israel is doing now in the Gaza Strip
Yes I know and you should remember I already said that but got many people thinking I do Russian propaganda but yes it's obvious if Putin wanted just take the country he will have made a full huge attack on all cities with plane bombing all as does Israel for instance in Gaza. Totally logic IMO but seems not for many of my friends occidental who think he was fucked up after he got his 60 KM long line of tank destroyed my drones of Ukrainians.
Spiderdog wrote:
Fri Aug 16, 2024 10:19 am
Pierre as-tu déjà eu des cas d'Ukrainienne qui refusaient de bosser avec des porformeuses Russe à cause de la guerre comme dans le domaine sportif où les Ukrainien refusent de saluer les Russe ?
Jamais et même comme je l'ai aussi déjà expliqué par exemple avec Fibi Euros à qui j'ai dit : j'ia une fille russe qui va venir mais ne t'inquiète pas je vais la mettre dans une autre chambre" et m'a dit "Pourquoi ? met là avec moi on sera mieux ensemble" !!!
Donc là aussi il est clair qu'on ne fait pas du spectacle pour lécher le cul des médias occidentaux comme le font certain/e sportif/ves lors de representations publiques !!!
But I get it. Being pro democracy and against dicators is not a view that is accepted here without being a target . When people feel they have to gang up on you using second accounts its clearly not a fair fight
You are making a film in your head my friend !!! It's not because you are paying every month that I still keep you on this forum. I keep you here because I understand and accept your point of view until you don't express it to badly if you know what I mean !!! I banned some paying members who have been too much disrecpectful here ...
I don't lick the ass of anyone for money, I never did in my life even when I was poor so it's not today I will do it ...
I am against dictators but having brain means also sometime to think over the simple fact to say " oh this man is a dictator so it's an asshole" ... No sorry I have the pretention to be smart enough to see farer than that and understand that some countries need very strong men at the commands and when you have for instance in China + India 1/4 of the world population
with so many different type of people inside, give them a democratic system as we have and the planet will burn next month !!!
It's same in Russia, it's the biggest country on earth, how does it was looking when they tried be "cooler" with their population ??? Immediately start various destabilisation with politics and then with muslim from tchetchenia etc ... and who cleaned all the shit and brought stabilisation with a strong hand ??? Putin
Same story with first period of Orban in Hungary ( but less radical ) when there was the mafia in the 90's everywhere in the country hurting people.
You always clame those people are bad, but as french you should know this sentence " entre deux maux le moindre" which means between 2 problems always better those making the less of problems !!!
As someone travelling a lot worlwide, I can tell you often democracy is just a word but in the fact it's more or less everywhere the same but most people don't pay attention because there are nice tablecloth on the table to hide the dirt underneath !!!

PW
I only entered this discussion again because I was pissed off that I felt Vitaly was allowed to bully the few people like Jean that are that are active .Because most of your members are not Putin fans so I dont think its fair to see Vitaly carpet bombing this forum and bully people. But I will respond when I am spoken to

100% sure I am not imaging things but we can let that part go.

When it comes to autocrats and dictators I dont think its wrong to claim you speak positive about them . And you constantly talk bad about liberal demcoracies and the west. You have said democracy is maybe not the right thing in general . Now you say its for certain countries . Ok that your opinion. I have never traveled to a country and thought they would be better of without freedom of speech , to vote for whoever they want etc but ok. Pretty clear that democracy in Russia with no tradition for this was not working great and many especially older prefered a " strong man " giving them some sort of stability and hard earned money in pension . In my opinion it would be much better long term though . I mean Russia with the size of the country and their resocures are doing pretty damn horrible compared to other economies . We will disagree about this. I dont care anymore.

Obviously Vitaly thinks this means I am for spreading democracy with millitary force even though I have said several times the Bush Jr plans of doing this was stupid before it happend and still today . Stopping a genocide by millitary force is something different which can be a good thing . But Vitaly is not here to argue in good faith so it is what it is. I mean you and Vitaly agree on just about everything when it comes to the russian narrative but just a tiny bit of reality he cant accept even from you . Russian soldiers have not done a singe thing wrong accoridng to him.

What got me a little frustrated with you is the fact that you claim people that don agree with your narrative is fooled by the media and you know more than others here because you know peole in Russia or travel etc. I have not seen anything from your post that suggest you have any special knowledge or are closer to the truth beacuse of some secret information .

If this was true you would not have been posting some of the things you do. To me it seems like you get a lot of your information through social media that spoon feeds you things you already agree with. Like the Hamas getting the weapons from Ukraine thing. You cleary are very sceptical to any main stream media which is fine but the same sceptism is nowhere to be found when you see things like that if it fits your narrative West bad and Russia good.

If you have information thats great and we will see if thats true but claiming you know peolpe and travel much I see no reason for being more informed than anybody else.

But I am here to support your work because I think you desevere it. If I thought you was an asshole I would not support you because in 2024 for creators like you its sad but easy to get it for free. The fact that we disagree about politics should not be a problem and to be honest useless because we will not agree.

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