Henry Miller wrote: ↑Wed Aug 14, 2024 9:51 pmPierre, je ne peux m'empêcher de saluer ici votre incroyable patience et votre esprit de tolérance...
Difficile en effet de rester patient avec des intervenants qui n'ont que l'insulte facile et gratuite à la bouche dès que les arguments manquent (aussi bien en français qu'en anglais d'ailleurs), je ne citerai personne... par pure courtoisie.
Pour ma part, il y a longtemps que certains intervenants auraient été bannis du forum, spécialement après tellement d'avertissements... et de récidives répétées.
Bon courage tout de même![]()
Merci !!!
Disons que je pardonne ceux qui certe exagèrent dans certaine discussion mais qui en contre partie me soutiennent sur un plan général. J'essaye de ménager la chèvre et le choux mais j'avoue qu'il faut effectivement avoir beaucoup de patience !!!
C'est l'une des qualités principales des araignées non ???



But again, no it's not true that most people here are on the russian side !!! Don't see Jean and you El Major like the two "Calimero" of this thread !!!El Major wrote: ↑Thu Aug 15, 2024 8:16 amI would not because Im not an ultra nationalist that think my country is perfect and has never done anything wrong and all other countries are going to hell like this Vitaly character. Its Russia that attacked another country and he had no problems with the suffering in Ukraine . He supported the war and still does. He just wants his countrymen to fight and die . Not him.PIERRE WOODMAN wrote: ↑Wed Aug 14, 2024 8:13 pmAbsolument !!!Je peux comprendre Pierre, il vit à Budapest, très près des frontières du conflit, raisonnablement inquiet pour la sécurité de sa famille, ou de l'humanité en général, en réalisant où tout cela mène. A cela s'ajoute sa grande expérience de la vie, ayant vécu à une époque où la France (ou l'Europe dans son ensemble) essayait encore d'adhérer aux valeurs traditionnelles (chrétiennes, ou les lois de la nature, comme vous préférez). De par son activité professionnelle, il a eu l'occasion de communiquer avec les Russes et les Ukrainiens, et comprend qu'il s'agit d'un seul et même peuple, ou du moins d'un peuple fraternel.
I don't see him been a sheep !!! I think you or me will do the same if for instance we were in war with Belgium !!!El Major wrote: ↑Wed Aug 14, 2024 6:36 pmYeah , Your messages are real complicated. You should probably be more worried about Russias future than any other country. Tens of thousands are dying every month and war mongerering idiots like you are cheering on your countrymen to die because you follow your dictator like a sheep
In some way we will be all sad to fight people who are since long time a bit brothers, speaking our language and very appreciate bt almost everyone. That will be a knife in heart for all of us and clearly impossible to accpet for 90 % of our population ...
That's also one the reason why I let him say all he feels inside his heart ... and if someone disagree with him, then just fight with correct words and precise points !!! That's all I am asking you guys ...
PW
If he and the russian propaganda of Ukraine nazis is something they really believe in is true why are they sending the poor , prisoners and even soldiers from poor countries to fight this important war ? Are they cowards in Russia ? Or do they know this is a bullshit war? I think you know the answer. They way he and his lunatic friend talked about the people of Ukraine and their suffering in Bucha etc and you you are telling me we have to consider his feelings?
Anyways this is going nowhere but anytime I look here the very few people here that is not into this russian propaganda narrative like Jean gets told to shut up and leave and / or they are the reason their country is going to hell. All while Russia is losing tens of thousands of people every month.
And unlike the democratic countries the Putin fans hates so much Putin does not have to worry about getting voted out. Bush was voted out after the Iraq fiasco but Putin who controls the media and throws anti war people in jail or to the front. Not so much.
Obviously the GOP was voted out as Bush was done regardless. But the republican party and their neo cons was really unpolpoular after the Iraq war. Term limits is also something Putin dont have to worry about though after he changed the constituion like the dictator he is
I personaly feel that most people after two years start to see the figure of this war with clearer aspect than it was at the begining and this is why a lot of people are more reserved about positive comments for Ukrain !!!
I also feels from my discussion in taxis, shop, meeting that the general tendance has changed. Yesterday for instance Germany has clearly said that it's an Ukrainian guy who is responsible for the NordStream gaz explosion in September 2022.
But press has non stop repeated for two years it was Putin behind that ... which was a perfect non sens as it hurted european but also russians !!!
Clearly as always we are just the toys media are using to make us think as they want. I wached yesterday on Netflix " American Nightmare" ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKXEgcXcRnw ) and it's a perfect example how medias can't turn up a full country to change everyone's mind in a second. But truth often comes back and slap the face of liars ... ( I also myself showed that often ) !!!
That's why when El Major says "my country is perfect" it makes me laugh because NO ONE IS and just to pretend it is a huge sign of blindness to reality !!!
As Vitaly said I have passed more than half of my life to travel all over the world and been everywhere in Russia / Ukrain so I know probably better than many people been all their life seat down front of the TV in France, what can be the truth about who is what in this war ( but I am far away to pretend I understand all about it ) !!!
And if I ask everyone to be just respectful to others here it's because what ever anyone can say, we are NOTHING here just simple soul unable to resolve this conflict , so fight here with words as they do over there with real weapons is the most stupid thing any of us can do !!!
What I am just trying to say is that we are only witnesses but not all with the same background as Vitaly who is in the real war situation in Russia or many of my friends in Ukrain like for instance recently HELINA DREAM who went back home in Kharkiv after my shooting. She showed me terrible pictures from her city and her appartment who nearly got a bomb inside while a part of her building was burning. But she doesn't hate Russians ... guess who she is angry about ??? americans and NATO ...
And myself I am also angry that the liter of milk in Budapest who cost 99 ft in 2021 is now at 480 ft because of this situation in Ukrain. So yes it's true it's Vladimir Putin who has invaded Ukrain and yes Russian army has done horrible things in Ukrain but if someone bang your right foot with a hammer and you tell him : "do it again and I kill you" if he does it again on your left foot and you kill him, are you the true monster of the story ???
There was clear agreements signed for peace between Russia and occident after the end of the cold war, and one of the main thing was NEVER NATO BASES IN UKRAIN. Who has broken this deal ??? USA and EU and in 2014 Putin has taken Crimea telling the wold : "if you continue this game I will attack ALL Ukrain". But they did not stop and Putin has attacked Ukrain. Hundred of thousand of dead souls later it's a bit easy to say the only responsible of this tragedy is Russia but most people in occident think that way ... ( I'm not saying Putin was right to kill so many Ukrainian innocent people but I think without the dirty business of occident all this will have never happened because if Putin wanted invade Ukrain he will never have waited 22 years )
Here at least maybe all of us we can try to have a little bit more of opening eyes and widsom thinking no ???
Or maybe I am asking too much ...
PW