Ukraine allying and joining NATO wasn't a topical subject until Russia started annexing part of Ukrainian territory. After that Ukraine needed support to face Russian agression in 2014.MVitaly5 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 03, 2024 6:43 amIn 2014, under U.S. leadership, an anti-constitutional, coup d'état took place in Ukraine.
Do you think all citizens of Ukraine were happy about it?
People who disagreed with it were burned alive, as was the case in the "Trade Union House" in Odessa. In Kiev and other Ukrainian cities, dissenters began to be beaten and intimidated by nationalist youths, journalists were killed (O. Buzina), and politicians were imprisoned (Medvedchuk and others). Trains with aggressive Nazis were sent to the dissenting Crimea to pacify it. But, most importantly, this government started a war with its own people in Dombass. And you still think all Ukrainians were happy about that? Did anyone ask the people of Ukraine if they wanted to join NATO?
The mass exodus of population from Ukraine to Europe, Russia and other countries started long before 2022 (the beginning of the SWO). Is it also from a good and happy life? Or is Putin to blame for that too?
In short, it is foolish to discuss and explain something to someone who knows nothing about the nature, psychology, preconditions, course of this conflict, motivation of the parties and participants, who has picked up labels from his newspapers and TV, and is trying to express an absolutely incompetent and biased point of view in such a serious issue.
Serious conversation with you is over because it is useless. Go back to the retro-theme, and continue your nonsense there. That's where you belong. Don't get involved in a topic where you should have at least some educational and analytical training, except for hypocritical pacifist slogans....
Ukrainians not wanting to join the west and european union could express themselves in election but as you can see they were a tiny minority even in Donbass.
Finally, it is Putin and Russia who caused Maidan in 2014 by pressuring Yanoukovitch to withdraw from the association agreement with the european union.
Do you know Russia is having also a mass exodus since before 2022? Lots of Russians go to live abroad. Is it NATO's fault?