RUSSIA - UKRAINE 2022 CONFLICT

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MVitaly5 wrote:
Tue Mar 19, 2024 7:14 am
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Cette question était rhétorique !!! :roll:
Personnellement, la réponse à cette question m'était déjà connue alors que tu n'étais même pas vivant.
Vous m'avez posé la question de savoir pourquoi je condamne la politique des USA et de l'OTAN, et vous y répondez vous-même.
Comment peut-on avoir une discussion académique avec vous, quand vous ne suivez même pas la construction constructive de votre pensée et de vos questions à votre adversaire ? Vous avez la tête embrouillée, mais votre ambition et votre confiance en vous pour écrire quelque chose d'"intelligent" sont tout simplement irrépressibles.
Voilà, j'en ai marre de vous !
Quel orgueil dans vos réponses , je réponds simplement aux questions que vous m'avez posés de manière impartiale et non orientée , Il n'y a pas de construction de pensée à avoir juste des constatations , je me demande ce qui vous anime , c'st peut-être ça votre problème , votre schéma de pensée , en histoire on ne pense pas on constate !
J'essaie de répondre mais visiblement mon absence d'idéologie vous agace car vous pensez me donner une leçon et je réponds dans un sens qui vous arrange ! C'est pas grave peut-être que quand vous serez Chinois , vous serez plus serein et plus philosophe , ça vous aidera à rester Zen !

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El Major wrote:
Tue Mar 19, 2024 8:23 am
PIERRE WOODMAN wrote:
Tue Mar 19, 2024 1:11 am
No El Major I don't give excuse to Staline for his crimes but I say and will keep say that many people here speaks about what they don't KNOW !!!

I have an Ukrainian arrived 2 days ago who explained me that she had to escape from her city last year south of Ukrain by car with part of her family with her. Where did she go ???
Crimea then ... RUSSIA with a car having ukrainian plate and she went like that to Latvia beeing controled by police maybe 10 times but NEVER having any problem.
Later she came to Czech Republic where she lives now ...

This evening I got a Russian girl and I told this to Fibi Euro the Ukrainian. Guess what has been her reaction ???
Put her with me in the room better to have company ... and I also ask Gaby who went pick up the Russian to tell her this and guess what she says ? "yes sure it's better than saty alone in another room" !!!

So my thought are ...

- Who could have take his car between 1939 and 1945 and travel from Paris to Warsow with his family without problem and not been executed immediately ???
- Which french will have say in same period about a german " yes put him in my room better to have company" ???

So yes people are sadly dying in Ukrain and not only military troups but also innocent civilians with childrens but between what our fucking medias tell us and the truth there is a huge gape ...

You can see my video on Twitter last january at the table where Daruma ( UKR ) is with a Russian boy and both likes a lot each others.
What ever our occidental medias said to push you to believe all YOUR money is invest in a great cause and it's good to spend billions to protect Ukrain, it's all a big lie and this war is not a war where a man, Putin, want exterminate is ancestral brothers from a day to another !!! This is not true ...
Putain doesn't want NATO to be in Ukrain and he fight now to block this process started 20 years ago but USA, stopped ny Trump and restarted by Biden. That's all ...
That's why Trump says now he can stop this war in 24 hours if he is reelected ( it's a bit optimistic but I am sure anyway that in less than a month he will because he hates wars and want do business only )

So yes Ukrain now is "the Libanon of europe", the play ground of fucking politicians who don't care about the death of civilians and only care about increase their power.

People coming here to speak about all this are not every week in contact with people from Russian and Ukrain like me I do and honestly it makes me tired to see some of you fighting like chickens here when deeply both Russians and Ukrainians really wish only to love each others. If Putin wanted just destroy and kill don't you think from February 2022 he will have immediately bombed all the country with his plane and make the country a ruin ???
You see Iraq, Libya, Syria how they look ??? All those country who were living with a dictator but IN PEACE have millions dead people after the great US and EU army came to help the "spring wave" ...
Sadddam Hussein was an asshole yes and he was killing 500 kurdes a year but all religions was living in peace together in the country which was LAIC ... Hussein was the ennemy of Bin Laden and fighting him ... but anyway Oncle Sam decided to save these souls under the wipe of a dictator ...
Look today the chaos it has given and 1,2 million dead sould later USA can be proud having "liberated" the country where no one goes out the night without have a chance been killed ...
And it's same in all places they have "saved" !!! Ask to afghan women how they are happy about the way USA managed the Talibans ... and now the next target it's UKRAIN where since 20 years Oncle Sam build a plan that curiously no one in Brussels want admit ...

PW
The Stalin comment was not directed at you.

We will never agree with the rest. You more or less agree 100% with the russian narrative. Not so strange as you have said several times the last 10 years Putin is your ifavourite leader and several times in this therad has quoted the ruussian leaders and said they are right . You could list all the wars Putin has started in his time as the leader but clearly you will not . They have all the excuses in the world to start wars in your mind and USA and EU will always be the villain.

And I would love a bit more honesty as well. I was against the Iraq war but Saddam killing 500 a year but I was all paradise other than thatis a very strange take. No idea where you get 500 from.

Again . We will not agree. I love democracy and you dont. Backing Trump now I see that already has shown facist tendencies with his maga morons storming the capitol and you for some reason belive he will be able to stop the war. I have no idea why you think so other than stop arming Ukraine that wont stop the war at all. But it might help Russia to kill so many Ukrainians that they will give up eventually.
Are you that thick? Putin hasn't started any war, unlike the US, who have started about 200 conflicts since WWII. Russia has always defended itself against everyone who tried to conquer it and use it for their own goals, which means there wasn't enough time for Russia to start any wars. War in Ukraine wasn't started by Russia, it started when the Ukrainian government was overthrown in 2014. But you don't really care about the truth, you blindly believe what the Western media says.

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Putin has not started any wars :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Yes, it's the Dalaï lama who started war

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El Major wrote:
Tue Mar 19, 2024 12:23 pm
Putin has not started any wars :lol: :lol: :lol:
DUH!

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Le chef du service russe de renseignement extérieur, S. Naryshkin, a déclaré que "la France n'a pas connu depuis longtemps des pertes telles que celles qu'elle a subies en Ukraine". Comme le reconnaît officieusement le ministère français des forces armées, le pays n'a pas connu de telles pertes à l'étranger depuis la guerre d'Algérie, dans la seconde moitié du XXe siècle. Les autorités françaises ne sont pas pressées d'en informer leur population, car la France se prépare toujours à envoyer un contingent en Ukraine, qui comptera environ 2 000 militaires.
Naryshkin a averti que les militaires français prévus pour être stationnés en Ukraine seraient une cible prioritaire et légitime pour l'armée russe !

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Yeah, they got no business being there. They say they don't want to fight, they don't want to go to war with Russia, yet there they are. Whenever the NATO soldiers and weapons get to Ukraine, they get obliterated (including many Abrams tanks that don't survive a single strike from a drone).

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OK we are back to the war here !!! My god ...
I will have to transfert all this to the right thread but anyway even if I understand the passion of everyone to defend his ideas I am sure the end of the year will make a lot of things clearer for many people !!!

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PIERRE WOODMAN wrote:
Wed Mar 20, 2024 7:12 am
OK we are back to the war here !!! My god ...
I will have to transfert all this to the right thread...
Le fait que les politiciens français entraînent la France dans une guerre chaude, avec toutes les conséquences négatives, d'abord pour la France, est, à mon avis, directement lié au sujet de la politique française. Macron commence à prendre des décisions qui, sans exagération, peuvent affecter globalement le sort de la France !
PIERRE WOODMAN wrote:
Wed Mar 20, 2024 7:12 am
... but anyway even if I understand the passion of everyone to defend his ideas I am sure the end of the year will make a lot of things clearer for many people !!!

PW
Qu'est-ce qui est censé changer à la fin de l'année ?

Ou bien espérez-vous que Trump arrive au pouvoir ?
Il faut espérer en vain que cela changera grand-chose !
1). Il n'est pas encore acquis qu'il arrivera au pouvoir ! Les démocrates feront tout pour l'écarter du pouvoir (fraudes, enquêtes judiciaires, utilisation des ressources administratives). Il n'y a que pour les idiots que les USA sont un "pays démocratique". Je n'exclus même pas le scénario de 1963 à Dallas (ceux qui savent comprendront).
2). Le président des États-Unis n'est qu'un manager engagé par ces structures financières et industrielles (establishment), et il ne sera pas autorisé à faire quoi que ce soit qui ne soit pas favorable à ce que l'on appelle "l'État profond" des États-Unis, ceux qui dirigent réellement les États-Unis, qui ne profitent pas de la perte d'hégémonie des États-Unis, de l'arrêt des guerres en dehors des États-Unis et du renforcement des concurrents. La question de la lutte contre la Russie et la Chine est absolument cruciale pour les partis démocrate et républicain.
3). Les États-Unis sont au bord d'un conflit civil majeur. La seule question qui se pose est celle de son degré d'intensité. De nombreux experts (américains) estiment qu'il pourrait être le plus important depuis la guerre civile américaine. Et ses conséquences pour les États-Unis ne sont pas encore connues.

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