First off all it says something about you if you dont understand Europe has to welcome women and children when their country are bombed. Second we will not agree because your assesment is that Russia can do whatever they want . Ukraine is not russian . Crimea was not theirs to take either.Master4SubCpl wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2023 3:53 pmWhat causes the refugees is the war and the open borders to Europe. Has Putin opened the borders to the Ukraine? Has Putin prolonged the war with delivering weapons? - When the occupation of Crimea happens not a single refugee came to Europe. Not a single shot was fired. Now compare to the situation since one year.El Major wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2023 2:35 pmFor starters when millions refugees from Ukraine all over Europe thats pretty hard to just ignore. Second when a facist regime like the Putin regime attacks Ukaine most decent poeople think its a duty to help.Master4SubCpl wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2023 8:23 am
Why is Russia putting Europe in the worst crisis? 95% of European citizens don’t live in the Ukraine. Ukraine is neither part of the EU or the NATO. So who cares?
It‘s the NATO and the EU making a problem out of the Ukraine crisis - yes Ukraine crisis not Europe crisis, EU crisis or NATO crisis.
Till now it was only the Ukraine attacking with missiles a EU country and killing people - in Poland. Not Russia.
It was the Ukraine atticking EU infrastructure and causing huge problems in Energy supply. Not Russia.
But Russia is the enemy of EU but not the Ukraine?
In my eyes they should solve their fight alone and not expect any help.
You have people here blaming everything on USA and Europe while supporting a dictator here so you cant expect much from some here but I have no idea why they think previously russian occupied coutires like Poland etc have been more vocal about giving Ukraine heavy weapons, planes etc but that does not fit into the narrative of their hero Putin I guess
„You have people here blaming everything on USA and Europe while supporting a dictator“ - First of all, nobody why a little bit of knowledge blames „Europe“. Because Europe is no country or player in this conflict. The EU is not Europe! Second: Why is blaming the USA and the EU equivalent to supporting „a dictator“? I am no fan of Putin or Russia. But I accept that this country has security interests - like any other big country. When the USSR wanted to deposit nuklear missiles on Cuba the USA also intervened. I am a friend of peace. Like I said Crimea has shown, that there is a short way ending this conflict. When the EU and the USA do not want accept the occupation, it’s their right. The last ten years in every map Crimea is shaded. Why is it not possible to shade the whole Ukraine for the next years, but abstain from more war and more dead and more demolition? 1990 has shown that no occupation of a country is durable. So in maybe 10, 20 years Ukrainians get their country without one shot, also.
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And the narrative that we prolong the war if we give Ukraine the war is stupid. We prolonged the war when we gave Soviet union weapons when the German nazis attacked aswell. Not prolonging a war and just accept countries taking territroy by force is not the right thing to do.
And from the same crowd that dont like Ukraine getting weapons from Europe or USA. Not a single one will say something when the worst regimes in the world gives weapons to the facist Putin regime. Absoulte silence.. North Korea and Iran
. It says omething about you when you look at the friends you have and there you have Putin and his friends.
And from the same crowd that dont like Ukraine getting weapons from Europe or USA. Not a single one will say something when the worst regimes in the world gives weapons to the facist Putin regime. Absoulte silence.. North Korea and Iran
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This is not kind
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Why is their country bombed? Maybe, just maybe the EU and the USA are prolongen the war by delivering weapons instead of initiatiating a way to keep peace.El Major wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2023 5:24 pmFirst off all it says something about you if you dont understand Europe has to welcome women and children when their country are bombed. Second we will not agree because your assesment is that Russia can do whatever they want . Ukraine is not russian . Crimea was not theirs to take either.Master4SubCpl wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2023 3:53 pmWhat causes the refugees is the war and the open borders to Europe. Has Putin opened the borders to the Ukraine? Has Putin prolonged the war with delivering weapons? - When the occupation of Crimea happens not a single refugee came to Europe. Not a single shot was fired. Now compare to the situation since one year.El Major wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2023 2:35 pm
For starters when millions refugees from Ukraine all over Europe thats pretty hard to just ignore. Second when a facist regime like the Putin regime attacks Ukaine most decent poeople think its a duty to help.
You have people here blaming everything on USA and Europe while supporting a dictator here so you cant expect much from some here but I have no idea why they think previously russian occupied coutires like Poland etc have been more vocal about giving Ukraine heavy weapons, planes etc but that does not fit into the narrative of their hero Putin I guess
„You have people here blaming everything on USA and Europe while supporting a dictator“ - First of all, nobody why a little bit of knowledge blames „Europe“. Because Europe is no country or player in this conflict. The EU is not Europe! Second: Why is blaming the USA and the EU equivalent to supporting „a dictator“? I am no fan of Putin or Russia. But I accept that this country has security interests - like any other big country. When the USSR wanted to deposit nuklear missiles on Cuba the USA also intervened. I am a friend of peace. Like I said Crimea has shown, that there is a short way ending this conflict. When the EU and the USA do not want accept the occupation, it’s their right. The last ten years in every map Crimea is shaded. Why is it not possible to shade the whole Ukraine for the next years, but abstain from more war and more dead and more demolition? 1990 has shown that no occupation of a country is durable. So in maybe 10, 20 years Ukrainians get their country without one shot, also.
It say a lot about you if you don’t recognise this.
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What’s your problem offending members? Just let them express their opinion.
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The problem is, he express his opinion with a lot of disrespectMaster4SubCpl wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2023 6:32 pmWhat’s your problem offending members? Just let them express their opinion.
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@JohnWick come express your opinion
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And you are the one deciding what is disrespect or not? As long as he is not offending anyone he should not be offended.Jean wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2023 6:39 pmThe problem is, he express his opinion with a lot of disrespectMaster4SubCpl wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2023 6:32 pmWhat’s your problem offending members? Just let them express their opinion.
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I have long said on this forum that when I make remarks about various political or economic decisions of any political power structures, I address all my epithets to the political elite, a particular state or political association and their decisions, which do not depend on the opinion of ordinary people. I never address my remarks to ordinary people, who are often hostages of the situation themselves. I have many friends in the EU countries, most of whom I have excellent relations with, and they understand the inexpediency and absurdity of the decisions taken by the Brussels nomenclature, which nobody elected, or by individual leaders of states. It's just that due to personal circumstances, it's hard for people like Jean to understand it. Unfortunately...Master4SubCpl wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2023 7:00 pmAnd you are the one deciding what is disrespect or not? As long as he is not offending anyone he should not be offended.
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The hypocrisy is amazing here. Russian trolls can come in here and call Jean basically a nazi but be so easily offendend and hurt and preach how people are not smart enough to discuss your elite mature level when just a couple of pages ago have posted threats with russian nuclear bombs which Pierre thinks is ok it seems. And to top it off talk about how europeans dont understand whats going on when in your own country you risk getting thrown in jail for years if you even talk about the war and you have non stop propaganda with lunatcis on tv talking about bombing England etc.
Here is a thought. After months of garbage maybe Jean had enough
Here is a thought. After months of garbage maybe Jean had enough