I think we have shown Atisz et al clearly the narrow limits of their thoughts and understanding. Still i want to reach out to him/her to make at least a fictional compromise in this ongoing debate! I agree with him/her in one point: at the age of 18 people are still very naive (i remember also myself). So I would propose a compromise to raise the age to 21! (but only if young 18 year old boys are not sent to war at this age). of course, this is fictional but our whole discussion is philiosphical. this would be a hard compromise on my side as i like to see young (18) girls. Can we agree on this, or are you such a moral fanatic that you would want to ban all porn and sent its producers into jail?

alex82 wrote:...Still i want to reach out to him/her to make at least a fictional compromise in this ongoing debate! I agree with him/her in one point: at the age of 18 people are still very naive (i remember also myself). So I would propose a compromise to raise the age to 21! ...

Alex82,

There is not much anyone could tell in addition to “didactic” arguments and organized way they are presented. Following the arguments of both sides and looking into problems presented mostly by Atisz (I dismiss some very radical views in this thread); you are proposing a compromise, which goes by my view toward slippery terrain, albeit well intentioned for sure!
I agree that people at 18 can be very naive, and there are predators out there that will take advantage of such person – but some people are also naive at 21, 30, 40, or the whole life!

The main problem as I see it is not the age. It is the problem of fundamentalist views of some groups of society. People should be thought to live and let live! I find it very indicatory that “sexual scandals” are more probable in the “conservative” group of people, those that publicly passionately oppose the very same thing they are later caught with (or is the reason for the scandal). The discussion should not be about the age or how woman are victims because they are in porn – the real discussion is about the society radicalizing itself, narrowing already gained personal rights!

Your proposal is an example of how radicalization actually works – if accepted, the actual problem would not be solved, but one more right would be lost, or one more thing would be prohibited! Because of the human nature (and the fact that people at 18 are by any view very sexual beings), that step could even worse the situation as some outlaws could fill the emptied shoes! That could cause even more radical compromises and later on some very serious problems!
And on top of it you would feel bad because you like to see young (18+) having sex

Kisses,
Iris

I commend those above offering their valuable brainpower and insight on the kind of forum that usually encourages panting and wheezing.

As for Monsieur Woodman's:

"So I'm ready to give you 1 million dollar if you show me this video"

I say forget about asking him for tips on how to make a woman come anally; a far more advantageous secret to beg for would be, how to readily come up with one million dollars if one is not a millionaire..!

yes but this video doesn't exist so I don't take a big risk !!!

PW

Wow, quite long discussions going back and forth!

Atisz, you cannot deny the fact that life in eastern Europe is better than in Africa and most of Asia. Even if most of the 18 year old girls are manipulated into porn they are making a decision.

I read that there are between 10,000 to 25,000 prostitutes in Czech Republic. Let's says 25,000 women are working as prostitutes, most of whom are between 18 to 40 years old.

This means 1.25% of the Czech female population between 18 to 40 is working in prostitution.

Not all of them are victims. For most it is easy way to earn money.

Hmm, thousands? You mean the old ones? Joking aside, maybe hundreds, those days are gone, most US porn starlets are latinas nowadays and of course there are many Europeans working over there as well. Come on, the biggest problem with US porn movies is that the same faces appear in all of them over and over again. Not a good example.
In case you haven’t noticed for some unknown reason I am (and have been) talking about this site particularly, about Eastern European girls with a few scenes and with a few hundred (Ok, call it a thousand) € salary. They are the ones I am talking about.
But let me ask you a question for a change: if girls are so successful and get well paid, why aren’t they all keep on doing porn movies and why do they hide their past afterwards?
Pamela Anderson and Paris Hilton have already been stars long before their private recordings got out. I mean if we hadn’t heard about Baywatch and the Hilton hotel chain who would have cared about them? So these aren’t quite good examples either.
Kardashian (who I must admit I’ve never heard of until now) seems to be a typical specimen of an attention whore who managed to sold herself and became a kind of reality show celeb – again I wouldn’t say she became famous of a sex tape.
But again this is the US, we do not talk about the US – the topic still regards Eastern Europe.

I don’t think we can talk about free will if it’s affected by money + irresponsibility = exploiting. Life is unfair as it is indeed therefore there’s no need to promote the people who exploit the unwary further. Empathy is a natural human emotion we feel for those people who are weak or in a bad situation – or are being exploited in our case here.

You have a very pacifist point of view, but you see the world doesn’t work like that. There’ll always be groups of people (or worse – nations) against whom a certain military force must be maintained – in order to defend the society in the given country you live in. We currently live under relatively peaceful conditions (globally), but sadly there’ll always be need for an armed force in each and every country. And you despise these men and women who submit their lives for your and your country’s safety... Again I don’t think you should bring forth examples from the US.

You say that everyone is sleeping with everyone in order to get promotions and recommendations – so basically for financial reasons. Problem is: until you don’t see all this – someone having sex with someone for money - on the screen, these are all just stories and assumptions. I know we live in the age of conspiracy theories, but come on: no proof = did not happen. It is not just how I think, it is how you and everyone else thinks. Some people don’t believe in God, because they have no proof – now why would they believe a gossip?

The salary of male pornographic actors is still open to debate: you state something, I state something else. I believe you should ask a professional and should really give a thought to what I’ve written previously (about the correlation with the 1000 girls/guys). I’m glad you haven’t even attempted to deny that part, cause it’d be impossible.

A stigma is a disgrace that’s branded onto someone – so no, it only refers to a negative meaning. You won’t feel it just because if anything, you’ll know by yourself that you’ve done something wrong and only after this will you look at how the society thinks about that particular matter. And everyone knows – deep inside – that porn is not something to be praised or proud of (just think about how you reacted if you’d see one of your loved ones being involved) and this is why it’s normal trying to hide it. Of course if you move around in communities where porn is accepted – or celebrated rather – they feel encouraged and think there’s nothing wrong with what they do. It still won’t be accepted within the society.

Again you mention free will – but is it really free if it’s affected by money? By the false illusions of getting rich and live a normal life afterwards without studying and working? And again we talk about girls who live in poor conditions and are highly irresponsible? Don’t you see any kind of correspondence?
And in case you haven’t noticed I’m still talking about the girls who did not see the benefits of their "career", only faced the consequences of their indeliberate decisions by false images. This is what I take sides against and against those who create and promote these.

Atisz, you seem like a good intentioned guy (or girl, don't know!!). You have empathy, something which a number of porn fans don't have. They enjoy the scenes but look down on the girl doing it. That is being a hypocrite.

I agree with you that for some girls, doing porn must be a regretful decision. Now the question is what can be done for them? Do you have a concrete plan of action for them?

Don't just say stop watching porn. Anti-porn people have been saying that for years and it has not made much difference. If you want to stop new girls from doing porn or resuce the current performers, what are you doing about it.

I am not being sarcastic. I am asking because if you are really against this then you should be doing more.

I think after listening the american interviews, many people against me will see it's not only in poor place you find the girls ready to do porn !!!

PW

hi all there who are fighting for what is wrong and what is right....so here is my opinion ....

1- A thief never accept that he is a thief...like wise a pimp can never accept that he is a pimp...Mr woodman will never accept that he is pimp...i think if time will come he will be pimp of her own daughter...for now he is pimp for others...

2- a business man always want to earn money.. whether in a good way bad..all he want is money...he never care for other... unfortunately in porn he is a gentleman...all he want is money....girls are just material...his income source..how can he kill his source..all he has to do is manipulate teenage girls that porn is good....whats wrong in earning money in easy way...all he is saying that dont do labor to earn money..just be fucked by strangers and be a whore...

3- ITS IN WIKIPEDIA THAT YOU ARE KING OF CASTING------SO WE ALL YOUR EAGERLY WAITING TO SEE THE CASTING OF YOUR OWN DAUGHTER....IF U DARE THEN WE LIKE TO SEE YOU TO MANIPULATE YOUR OWN DAUGHTER TO DO PORN....WHAT YOU SAY YOU SON OF A BITCH...DO U DARE...

Poor boy you are, a pimp stole the money from the girl, me I give them a lot of money to do DP etc with my team. It's not the same a all. You're just a prick ...

PW