Bonjour Pierre Woodman,
Je voudrais te dire que j'ai vu une vidéo affichée comme tournée a Londres, c'etait une petite Russe, tu la traitais de salope etc... pendant ton casting.
Je ne sais pas si ses parents te cherchent mais tu vas passer un sale moment avec Dieu, l'Eternel, le Pere de toute créature qui vit.
Je dis ce que j'ai assisté Pierre, j'ai vu un viol, et cette fille je ne suis pas sur qu'elle avait 10 ans, elle disait qu'elle voulait rentrer a la maison et apres disait avoir mal. Que ton site soit "légal" alors que tu es un criminel me dégoute.
Mais un jour viendra pour ton tour Pierre et le cri de l'innocente demandera vengeance.
Je voulais, Pierre, absolument te parler, car ce que j'ai vu me passe en travers de la gorge.

BENJI24 wrote:Bonjour Pierre Woodman,
Je voudrais te dire que j'ai vu une vidéo affichée comme tournée a Londres, c'etait une petite Russe, tu la traitais de salope etc... pendant ton casting.
Je ne sais pas si ses parents te cherchent mais tu vas passer un sale moment avec Dieu, l'Eternel, le Pere de toute créature qui vit.
Je dis ce que j'ai assisté Pierre, j'ai vu un viol, et cette fille je ne suis pas sur qu'elle avait 10 ans, elle disait qu'elle voulait rentrer a la maison et apres disait avoir mal. Que ton site soit "légal" alors que tu es un criminel me dégoute.
Mais un jour viendra pour ton tour Pierre et le cri de l'innocente demandera vengeance.
Je voulais, Pierre, absolument te parler, car ce que j'ai vu me passe en travers de la gorge.

Tu t'es trompé sur l'âge de cette jeune fille ce me semble.

Et mais les mecs, ca ne vous rend pas malades d'etre les esclaves d'un coeur qui en chaque homme est incomprehensible ? Comment vous sentez-vous apres avoir vecu votre reve, votre illusion en vrai ? Ne vous sentez-vous pas maudits au fond de vous ? Ne vous sentez-vous pas faibles au point de mourir ? Mais... ne voyez-vous pas que vous allez vers la mort, étant donné que Dieu a estimé digne de mort ceux qui pratiquent ces choses ?
Ne savez-vous pas qu'en vous, votre coeur a des buts cachés que vous ignorez totalement et que vous jouissez sur une illusion de facade car votre coeur vous dupe ?
Moi aussi je suis passé par ces choses, beaucoup d'hommes sont morts de ces pratiques, de ces pulsions qu'on doit vivre malgré-nous. Mais "l'impudicité", pour parler poliment, mérite le rejet éternel, comment peux-t'on vouloir encore vivre avec l'idée meme de cette pensée ? Mais faire semblant ne sert a rien les mecs. Votre plaisir n'est qu'une illusion, un film que vous vous jouez a votre propre insu.
Mais l'ame est faite d'esperance pour vivre ! Ou voyez-vous la joie dans ces pratiques ?
Reveillez-vous les mecs, Jésus-Christ, Dieu est mort pour vous sur la croix pour vous permettre, tout comme a moi, de pouvoir ne plus etre dépendant de la chair qui nous rendait comme des sous-hommes !
Quelle chance !!
J'ai de l'affection pour vous qui etes sur ce Forum et meme pour Pierre, parce-que j'ai connu ces souffrances inouies, puis la joie d'en etre libre.
Combattez le bon combat, freres !
Vous croyez peut-etre que la vie n'est pas "grave" ? Mais quelle tete ferez-vous quand, a un certain moment, une condamnation venue de votre propre Pere qui est aux cieux va tomber sur vous ? Y croirez-vous ? Mais vous devrez y croire !!! Vous n'aurez pas le choix, ce moment sera terrible, le constat de l'échec de toute une vie, alors que vous valez des trésors les mecs.
JE vous dis ca parce-qu'il n'est pas encore trop tard, tant que y'a de la vie y'a de l'espoir, Dieu pardonne et ce pardon recu offre d'aimer en vérité toute créature et d'abord notre prochain. C'est une chance.
Cherchez la vérité les mecs y'a que ca qui donne une vie valable.
Si y'en a qui veulent que je les aide, par des conseils, par compassion, je le fais parce-que j'en ai failli mourir et que je veux aider gratuitement tous ceux d'entre-vous qui souhaiteraient imaginer une porte de sortie réelle.
Voici donc mon mail pour ceux que ca intéresse : benjhiben@yahoo.fr

I would not automatically cast Atizs in the "Stone Head" category, as was the implication, because it is not as though he has not made some valid points. Naturally, what Monsieur Woodman was getting at was that there are people who are absolutely entrenched in their views, something he is very correct about. As long as such folks put forth their arguments in a reasonable and intelligent manner, however, it is not as though even those set in their views may not have something valuable to offer.

I read this thread with much interest, given the core and significant issues put forth. I would like to congratulate Didactic for the views he has offered so beautifully, and so... didactically. (Insofar as the instructiveness meaning, and not necessarily the moralizing one. I suppose that aspect would be left to the other team.)

Monsieur Woodman, I would also like to tip off my hat to you, for not only allowing this "free democracy" on your forum, but far more impressively, by putting yourself on the line and participating in it. I think that is highly to your credit. A point was made here that you do so for "direct marketing" reasons, but that is absurd. Most with a certain status of achievement who set up forums for those interested in their product, and who are no less interested in promotion, could easily choose to distance themselves, as most do.

If I may allude to an earlier point, the confession about your not being a millionaire; I'm not doubting you, as I don't see why you would feel the need to be dishonest about that (save for wishing to appear as one of the common people, but I don't think you would feel compelled to put on an act for that reason). I believe you made the point that you are gratified your significant other and children will never need to struggle, so maybe you directed so much of your wealth in these directions you have become poorer; or perhaps you have made bad investments. Your financial situation, naturally, is no one's business but your own -- but the reason why my curiosity was activated is that one of the things that I have read about you (that led me to this forum) was an old "Hustler" article regarding your past, and how a cop from Bali threatened your life. The author of the article claimed -- and this claim could surely have been hype -- that you had $185,000 with you, as the question arose about how much bribe money you could afford. It just seemed to me that if you had that much loose cash (sort of like Saddam's suitcase filled with half a million, or some such amount, when he was unearthed from his hole; not to say I am comparing you with Saddam, because when you are found unearthing from holes, you are usually naked), and added to the many profitable enterprises you have been involved with in the good many years since, the prospect of your not being a Fiddler on the Roof becomes all the greater.

(Subsequently, I noticed the French-language post above by what sounds to be a self-appointed savior. We are asked to awaken, and further told that Jesus died on the cross so that you and I may not crave the flesh that has made us sub-human.

What could make us more human than the craving of the flesh? It appeared Jesus was not without temptations of his own, during an earlier stage of his life; like Mr. Spock from "Star Trek," he was half-human, you know. I can't say whether swaying us from sexual urges was his idea, or those repressed fuddy-duddies who wrote scriptures in his name. What I do know is that those who adored him and spoke in his name burned the French patriot, Joan of Arc -- another Jesus freak -- on the stake. That should give pause to those who speak in the name of Jesus, not that the pause will last for more than a few seconds. It could be argued, in other words, that Jesus ruined the life of a young, inexperienced teen-aged girl, very similar to the teen-aged lives Monsieur Woodman is being accused of ruining. It's hard to say, but perhaps Mr. Christ has returned, and is now shooting porn movies.)

Ce n'est pas parce-que des hommes ont brulés des hommes au nom de Jesus, au nom d'une religion, que Dieu, que christ est blamable.
Un fait meme des humains echappe a ceux qui ne veulent pas voir. Jesus est la seule religion chrétienne. Le reste n'est que tactique humaine pour des interets humains, est-ce si diffcile pour le percevoir ?? Se plaindre de l'homme qui tue au nom de Jesus...Mais c'est si difficile de sentir qu'il ne fait que deshonorer le nom de Jesus-Christ ?
Oui ca l'est dans des coeurs que Dieu a fermé, et qui le resteront jusqu'a leur mort.
Demandez a un accroc au sexe d'arreter sa passion, la je ris parce-que c'est impossible, et Dieu risque bien d'enfermer dans cette "joie" ceux qui s'adonnent pour leur malheur a ce genre de choses.
On peche, on avilit son propre corps dans cela, qui ne le sait pas ? Justement celui qui est accroc.
Celui qui cherchant Dieu, deja melange la politique des hommes et les visées de Dieu est bien mal barré pour comprendre quoique ce soit, surtout que ce prejugé tombe tres facilement quand on s'apercoit que deja Christ est crucifié par des hommes qu'il est venu sauvé. Quel humain ayant un coeur ne peut pas etre touché par cela ?? Si tel n'est pas le cas alors l'homme n'a rien de plus que les betes, mais vous savez tres bien que notre dignité est inouie, que nous sommes faits a l'image de Dieu.
Oui, je vous le dis, comme a des freres en prison, reveillez-vous !

Dear Didactic,
your whole arguement can be questioned by asking a simple question: why do girls from Eastern Europe are the most sought after in porn business? The answer is so trivial to this question, that it's actually hardly worth a debate (anway I already answered it in one of my previous comments: cheapness, beauty, infrastructure, public safety and health reasons). Cheapness however is by far the most important priority. That's the most motivating reason why people who are exploiting these girls come to these areas, hands down.
When trying to oppose these simple facts you always come up with counter examples and try to reflect them on the majority. It's a bit like this: Lets assume I'd say playing lottery is not a good way to earn money, because even though you can win a lot, you still shouldn't put all your money into it, as it's very likely that you'll come broke out of it. And you'd say: "hey, but there are hundreds of people who already won fabulous amounts of money by playing it, so everyone should be playing it". Right, but you can't generalize like this, by mentioning a single (or even a few) counter example.
I don't have a doubt that porn stars live under luxurious circumstances, I talk on the behalf of girls who tried it and failed (if you take a look at this site you can see who I think about) and also about the dark side of this industry, which is never mentioned, only by those who had a bad experience.

Yes it's truly the mainstream media that projects these false images in front of these girls and yes, porn producers take advantage of this. And this is what I call exploiting. So basically we are talking about the same thing, we're just using different words to describe it.
Moving along, I'd say they only take advantage of this, they intensify this process by weaving these lies further. Just look up a site that deals with "casting of models" – you'll be amazed.
Being a soldier is not something to be ashamed of by any standards (especially in times of peace), and by choosing this profession these people show great determination and by this they shouldn't be resembled to the ones who don't know what do with their lives at the age of 18.

Males do get higher salary than girls, just ask those who are involved. They are usually the constant "accessories" of a porn movie, as they aren't replaced nearly as frequently as the real objects of the scenes: girls. Therefore they earn more money, and they can really become stars. And again having had thousand of girls is cool in everyone's eye, but for a girl on the contrary it's like being a slut. Again I'm talking about the majority the average "few scenes" girl, and obviously not about Jenna Jameson.
About Hollywood stars – I don't know which ones you thought of, but I don't think that it'd be common for them (unless of course it's on a tape – but those are very rare) to have so many sexual exploits.

Yes, my points are about morals because I usually like to think like the majority unintentionally mostly(so I don't just "go with the flow"). Naturally if I have different points of view on a certain thing, I express my opinion about it.
I’d never say that escorting is better in morally than being a porn star. The only real difference is that you can quit being a prostitute any minute when realizing you made a mistake (or just earned enough money). You can’t do that in porn. You’ll always have that stigma for the rest of your life.
About alternatives: there are many, I’ve already mentioned it in my previous comment addressed to you - education is open in front of everyone.

Few will disagree Jesus was a good guy at heart. Astute readers will see it was largely not Mr. Christ's name that was being dishonored above, but those who speak fervently in his name.

His dad, however, was a different story. Bringing him up is not too off-topic, I suppose, given that this thread regards taking innocent young virgin girls and defiling them.

Good joke the story of the 10 years old girl in London !!!
So I'm ready to give you 1 million dollar if you show me this video ... poor sick brain go in hell with your lies !!!

PW

Atisz, noone denied it was because of money that the East European girls were more in European porn but you again ignored to answer the question about the thousands of American and hundreds of other European women in porn not from East Europe?. They are in "first world" countries and still choose porn as an option. Of course it is about money, thats why companies are out sourcing to India because it is cheaper to employ people. The Indians do not feel exploited because their lives have improved. Again your argument is based solely on morals you forget there are women who want to be porn stars with no casting, no pushing or even meeting any directors. Blame media and Paris Hilton, Kim Kardashian, Pamela Anderson and every other woman who has made a career off a sex tape. Your example does not work because you are imposing a view on someone if someone wants to be a porn star who are you to tell them it is bad?. People have free will.

There are women who tried porn and failed, there are people who tried business and lost everything. Life is unfair this is a risk everyone takes nothing is sure again this has nothing to do with the porn industry. There are executives who worked for 30 years for the same company and got fired now they are told they are too old to employ. Welcome to society there are those who win and those who fail.

To you being a soldier is not something to be ashamed of, to many people its the worst thing a person can do. Work at killing others. Again morals are different. My girlfriend will not even talk to people if she finds they work for the military. That is her view, that is her CHOICE. You seem to think everyone things like you do?. That is not the case. Are you that naive about the world?. Do some research on the "casting couch" and you hear many stories of actresses, models even singers who have had to and still have to have sex for work. I could name, names here but this is not the place for that. Hollywood is a pit of depravity dont believe the illusions. Even normal in companies everyone is sleeping with everyone for promotions for recommendations, for fun but I guess you choose to ignore this and focus on what is recorded on tape.

Males do not get paid more than women, when you make these sort of statements you show how unresearched you are on the topic you are discussing. This makes your points less likely to be taken seriously. It is very simple go on twitter, search porn stars talk to any one of the hundreds that come up (suprise 99% are not even East European) and ask them. Of course directors like Pierre will get paid more because it is his product and his investment but not male actors. This should not even be up for discussion. Women get paid more.

Life is about the ability to live it to the best of YOUR ability if your life worried about stigmas and how others see you then you will never live a full life. Why? because everyone has different things that they see as right / wrong. Thats why its best to leave people to do what they want to as long as they do not procatively harm others in the process. Leaving someone with a "stigma" is a risk that can come from anything. Seems you are worried about how other people view you or in this regard the women?. That is an insecurity, who cares what other people think?. Noone is going to your grave with you and noone helped you push yourself out the womb. Again your own moral compass which you are imposing on everyone else based on your own beliefs.

You mention education as an alternative, that option has always been there for them. (For free) as you said and they chose a different route. Again CHOICE. Atisz not everyone wants to go to school and not everyone is capable of completing an education or working a normal 9 - 5 job. This is what you have to understand we live in a world will billions of people, billions of opinions, billions of personalities. Noone has a right to dictate theirs on everyone elses, that is known as vanity. You really want to help these women do the opposite of what Pierre does, he has invested his money into creating a product. Invest yours into offering these women (you feel so badly for) options, alternatives to porn, ways to make the same amount of money. You will find that 90% given the chance would rather do porn than have to work hard. This is the thing you are leaving out, this is the argument you are not mentioning. Noone has to wear 300 euro shoes or have a 500 euro hangbag but look at Aletta Ocean and she has this. Do you think she would get this from caring what Atisz thinks and worrying about a "stigma". I dont see anyone exploiting her, I see a woman in her 20s making six figures a year enough to retire on when she is in her 30s very comfortable.

I will repeat again Atisz, you keep potraying ALL these women as victims incapable of free thought or action. This is again very vain because try and talk them out of porn. Again they are there on twitter or even facebook. Go and explain to them your theories on exploitation and how they should give it up for an education that in 5 years they will earn in year what they earn for one feature. I will be here waiting for your response.