milster wrote: ↑

Fri Oct 21, 2022 8:37 am

pierro wrote: ↑

Sat Oct 15, 2022 7:24 pm

About another lie from russian propaganda "always russian lands"
kyiv.jpg

And of course it's Ukraine was made by Lenin

How can russian propaganda be so stupid, all their fakes easy to check now

The time is irrelevant, as both Ukrainians and Russians have ancestral claim on it. Also that country is called Kievan Rus, Russia is older than Ukraine nonetheless.

It's however ironic that both sides lie. You seem to think that Russia always lie. Then what about the West? The meaning of truth about everything is lost on them in the last 20 years!!

Millster, I don't think Russians lies on the subject at all. If there are mistatements then its in the area of Communists versus Tsarist supporters.Both blame each other for creating the monster of Ukraine and the subsequent problems from the Khokhol nutcases. This can lead to either side making exaggerated statements. There is no lie from any Russian or russian nationalist in debate against Ukrainian nationalist - the ukronazi project lives and breathes on lies and bullshit.

Even the name "Kievan Rus" ( which it wasn't called at the time of its existence), is claimed to be an invention by Communist historians.

But the point still stands that Pierro is being idiotic. Moscow being just forest during the middle ages as Kiev was an important city, doesn't change the fact that a Russian state was very much in existance then , with the same cities still very much part of Russian Federation now. . Paris wasn't the most important city, in what is now France 1000 years ago - but who cares?

The lunatic Galicia ( western Ukraine) , are predominantly Catholics. These scum causing trouble from there have monopoly of the fake Ukrainian "national identity".They should have NO claim to Kievan Rus.

Vitaly,

The losses in manpower and equipment of Ukraine and NATO, are simply gigantic,This is recognized by all. This is not disinformation, all and it can be verified

The Ukronazi regime lists their losses at only 9000!
There are enough cattle in 404 who believe this nonsense.
But this nonsense has very sinister purposes. Western media not only completely fake and lie about Russian military losses, they refuse to give ANY estimate of ukronazi losses. For all the 9 months. That is of course because they are propaganda arm of them, and to motivate their public and ukrainian society to believe in the big lie.
The average Jean or ElMajor-type is too brainwashed and too lazy to connect the 6 waves of ukronazi mobilisation with the massive losses they are suffering on the battlefield. They are too thick to realise that current russian mobilisation after 8 months of war, and who will mostly enter the war after 10 or 11 months ,is in fact solid proof of very , very small russian losses.

They (western media) were at least objectively fair in giving estimates of both sides losses in Syrian Civil War - what they are doing now is truly sick stuff.

BTW, I read anywhere from 195000 to 300000 Rb, per month for every soldier in this partial mobilisation. I know there is no price for death or serious injury, but still, thats a pretty good deal in my view. A shade under 5000$ a month, which is money that goes 3 times as far in Russia, is good

JDR wrote: ↑

Fri Oct 21, 2022 5:20 pm

BTW, I read anywhere from 195000 to 300000 Rb, per month for every soldier in this partial mobilisation. I know there is no price for death or serious injury, but still, thats a pretty good deal in my view. A shade under 5000$ a month, which is money that goes 3 times as far in Russia, is good

No, why, the fact that the allowance to the mobilized, you correctly pointed out. But that's not all!

Back in March 2022, President Vladimir Putin signed a decree on payments to participants of a special military operation (SSO) - 3 million rubles for injury and 5 million rubles in case of death. Naturally, all this will also apply to the mobilized, because they become full-fledged servicemen of the Russian Army under contract, and all social guarantees and benefits apply to them.
But these are not the only payments which will be given to the mobilized. Other payments include insurance and lump sum payments, as well as regional payments. All of them are summed up.
You can learn more here (link in Russian).
https://www.vbr.ru/banki/novosti/2022/0 ... ko-i-komy/

In addition, various benefits for the families of the mobilized, credit and tax vacations. In general, there's a lot of things...

MVitaly5 wrote: ↑

Fri Oct 21, 2022 5:43 pm

JDR wrote: ↑

Fri Oct 21, 2022 5:20 pm

BTW, I read anywhere from 195000 to 300000 Rb, per month for every soldier in this partial mobilisation. I know there is no price for death or serious injury, but still, thats a pretty good deal in my view. A shade under 5000$ a month, which is money that goes 3 times as far in Russia, is good

No, why, the fact that the allowance to the mobilized, you correctly pointed out. But that's not all!

Back in March 2022, President Vladimir Putin signed a decree on payments to participants of a special military operation (SSO) - 3 million rubles for injury and 5 million rubles in case of death. Naturally, all this will also apply to the mobilized, because they become full-fledged servicemen of the Russian Army under contract, and all social guarantees and benefits apply to them.
But these are not the only payments which will be given to the mobilized. Other payments include insurance and lump sum payments, as well as regional payments. All of them are summed up.
You can learn more here (link in Russian).
https://www.vbr.ru/banki/novosti/2022/0 ... ko-i-komy/

In addition, various benefits for the families of the mobilized, credit and tax vacations. In general, there's a lot of things...

Oh, I see what you mean about no money can pay for a man's death. Yes, there's no question!

I simply can't understand the logic, the Ukrainian army at the time of the start of the war consisted of about 1 million people. You claim that Ukraine has lost more than 10,000 people, well, let's believe that Ukraine has lost 20,000, while you claim that everything is going well for Russia, the losses are less than those of Ukraine (although, according to the logic of war, the losses of the attacking side are always greater). That is, Russia lost less than 20,000 soldiers. Why then is it necessary to mobilize another 300,000?
Several answers:
1. Everything is going very badly for Russia and there are not enough people.
2. In fact, Russia lost more than 100,000 people, according to world war analysts (these are the total losses of those killed and wounded who cannot return to the front)
3. In recent months, Russia has not made any progress in the war. Zaporozhye and Kherson regions were not completely captured, moreover, Ukraine is confidently liberating the captured areas and is already approaching Kherson. Kharkov region was completely liberated by Ukraine. Plans for the occupation of the Luhansk and Donetsk regions have not been fully implemented either.
4. Putin decided to simply overwhelm Ukraine with quantity, hoping to take the number and further prolong the war and continue the nuclear, humanitarian and energy blackmail of Europe and continue trying to force the world to recognize the occupied territories of Ukraine as Russian.
As a result, it turns out that Ukraine does not give up, assistance to Ukraine is increasing, sanctions are intensifying, the occupied territories are not recognized.
It's hard to call it a success in my opinion.

You think there is a logic ? You think they argue in good faith ?

Even some russian leaders and media admit more russian trouble in this war than the loyal dogs of Putin here

PIERRE WOODMAN wrote: ↑

Fri Oct 21, 2022 11:58 am

pierro wrote: ↑

Thu Oct 20, 2022 3:56 pm

— russia does not plan to attack Ukraine.
— russia's plans do not include the occupation of Ukraine's regions.
— Mobilization is not necessary in russia.
- Martial law is not required.
You are here.
— Closure of the borders of the russian federation is not planned.

they lie at any level, from any drunk on the street to the first persons of the state.

Btw, russian publics are actively writing about the urgent evacuation from Kherson. steal and quickly take out everything they can.

"100 security cameras were stolen from Sweden, the same was shown on russian drones."
https://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/a/VP ... -i-ukraina

It's so stupid ...
Another great story build by occidental media's ...
Honestly why should Russians spy loss time, take risk etc to break radars to build "artisanal" drone while you can buy much better quality material in all shop or even stole it with fake or stolen CB !!!
It's another idiotic thing some moron are ready to believe.
Putin is ready to spend billions $ to buy drones from Iran but can't afford to find a way to have drone to spy in Norway or Sweden.
Hilarious ...

PW

Pierre, as far as I understood from the article, there are no direct accusations of russians in the theft of cameras. Just facts - they disappeared in Sweden, they appeared in russian drones. The whole world has seen surveillance footage in Ukraine, where Russian soldiers steal washing machines, kettles, microwave ovens and more. The reputation that russia has earned

El Major wrote: ↑

Fri Oct 21, 2022 7:03 pm

You think there is a logic ? You think they argue in good faith ?

Even some russian leaders and media admit more russian trouble in this war than the loyal dogs of Putin here

Well, maybe it's not a matter of logic, but it is necessary to somehow explain to the world and its voters in russia why. Here, apart from "it's necessary" and "we know better", nothing else comes to mind

El Major wrote: ↑

Fri Oct 21, 2022 7:03 pm

You think there is a logic ? You think they argue in good faith ?

Even some russian leaders and media admit more russian trouble in this war than the loyal dogs of Putin here

Ahahaha, such as who? Navalny?

Smaller by the numbers, with weaker equipment Ukraine that wipes much more powerful Russians, gimme a break. You and pierro.


But who knows, maybe you are right, since everyone claims that Putin uses non white Russians and Russians who are not loyal to him. Which is smart move actually.

MVitaly5 wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 17, 2022 3:30 pm

pierro wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 17, 2022 3:20 pm

Vitaly, even Mr. Woodman very gently hints that you are spreading nonsense and lies on this forum.
most of the participants of the forum are already openly poking you with your nose in the shit you are spreading here.
Therefore, I personally don't care what such a moral freak like you thinks or writes about me, I will continue to accuse russia of military aggression until the complete victory of Ukraine and the public condemnation of all war criminals. And I will continue to accuse you personally of every lie and every phrase that incites international hatred. if you undertook to support and justify scumbags - tolerate the corresponding attitude towards yourself.

russia is a terrorist state!

I don't give a shit about you or your opinion of me at all!

I might be a little upset if I were debating with a smarter person. You're not blaming me, you're just showing your stupidity, inexperience, and illiteracy. And your posts, only bring me irony, contempt and laughter! That's why I'm perfectly calm. I am a military man, it would be funny to worry about trolling on forums. At least all of you can come down on me, it will only amuse me. And there are people who support my point of view, or at least have a constructive discussion. I write my posts for them, not for you...

Pierro, aren't you tired of trusting an idiot with a slacker who spends all his time writing monologues here and his friend even more insipid? Is it possible that they cannot speak without giving fools? you are afraid, however, of offending those who can block your discussion, right?