Once again, I appeal here to all those who think they are "great military strategists" and take it upon themselves to draw conclusions about real war.

War is not the pictures you watch on TV or on the Internet, and not American action movies, where some Rambo or Commando, destroys all alone.

War is pain, loss, a serious test for soldiers and the unpredictability of actions and developments. And it is better handled by those with greater morale, motivation, skill, combat coherence and military equipment.

Let's do a very brief analysis of wars and an excursion into history, at least the period after World War II.

Where did which armies seriously prove themselves?

Britain won the "Falklands War" against Argentina. How is that a war? A military skirmish, nothing more.

The most aggressive country is the United States.

The Korean War. Hundreds of thousands of dead Koreans, the division of Korea into North and South.

The Vietnam War. The U.S. scorched the entire country with napalm and massive bombing. When it landed troops, it began to suffer brutal losses. Eventually lost that war, losing more than 60,000 of its soldiers. But the psychological defeat was even worse. To this day, many in the U.S. are still experiencing Vietnam syndrome.

I am now deliberately omitting the many minor conflicts that were provoked and orchestrated by the U.S.

The Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. The Soviet command, achieved its objectives by eliminating a government hostile to the Soviet Union in Afghanistan, but in a protracted guerrilla war, also began to suffer casualties, and eventually withdrew troops from Afghanistan (losses of about 15,000).

The U.S. and NATO bombing of peaceful Yugoslavia. Huge number of civilian deaths. Different sources have different figures. All this under far-fetched pretexts. The bombing of Belgrade, the capital of a country that had almost no air defense equipment. The result: the destruction of Yugoslavia and its division into small states. Serbia is still licking its wounds.

"Powell's test tube." Under the fake pretext that Iraq had chemical weapons, the U.S. and NATO invasion of Iraq. The Americans wiped out many Iraqi cities by massive indiscriminate bombing. More than a million Iraqi civilians are estimated to have died. The Americans took Baghdad only by bribing Saadam Hussein's intelligence services, which turned out to be corrupt and betrayed their leader. Result: Practically destruction of Iraqi infrastructure, civilian casualties, execution of the leader of a sovereign state. Now there is chaos in this country.

The U.S., itself buried 3,000 of its own citizens under the rubble of the World Trade Center skyscrapers in New York and invaded Afghanistan under that pretext. Again, many civilian victims and American soldiers. And what were the targets? The world opium explosion. After 20 years in Afghanistan, the U.S. Army fled Afghanistan, leaving the people who worked for them at the mercy of the Taliban, abandoning billions of dollars worth of military equipment. And what were the reputational losses? Only the corrupt media supports the reputation of the U.S. and NATO.

Ruining Libya, the U.S. and NATO, and killing the sovereign leader Gaddafi. Libya was one of the most prosperous countries in Africa, and now there is chaos, anarchy and infighting.

To return to my question. What army of the world has ever shown itself in any way that would allow us to assess its combat effectiveness?

The USA and NATO have failed in almost all of their military adventures, except for the destruction of countries that could not respond to them with any dignity. European countries, lost all their colonies in the 60's of the 20th century. Everywhere they are being kicked out with a fucking broom.
The Chinese army, big, and where has it fought and shown itself? They are even afraid to solve the Taiwan issue militarily. For now, at least. And it's just a small island.

Now to the main point.
The military conflict that is now taking place in Ukraine is already recognized by many reputable analysts as the most serious and largest since World War II.
At the moment, the Russian Army in Ukraine, in addition to the much larger Ukrainian army, is being confronted by tens of thousands of NATO cadres and international mercenaries. NATO is investing billions to help Ukraine, and Europe has given Ukraine virtually all of its military equipment (source: Stoltenberg!) And the result? Russia continues to hold the liberated territories: the Donetsk, Luhansk, Kherson and Zaporozhye regions. And will hold them. Huge human losses of the combined army of Ukraine and NATO, which is 15 times higher than the losses of the Russian Army (this is not only Russian sources).
Far from the entire military resource of the Russian Army is still in use. Russia is very protective of Ukraine's infrastructure and people, and does not use heavy weapons (heavy high-explosive aerial bombs). For now, anyway.
Russia has already won this war because it has liberated the territories it planned to liberate and it will not give them up. Because to attack is not to defend. It is harder and more expensive to attack than to defend. Let NATO bash its forehead in the echelon defense of the Russian Army in these territories. Soon the Russian Army will be reinforced by experienced and trained soldiers, and will go on the offensive again.
You can consider it Russian propaganda, I don't care! Don't tell me then that a few months ago I didn't warn everybody about this. Russia will win this war, not only militarily, but also economically. The clouds are already thickening over non-sovereign Europe, and let's see what happens next, given the growing protest attitudes among the populations of these countries against aid to Ukraine and sanctions against Russia. If you want to ruin yourself, go ahead and do the same...

PIERRE WOODMAN wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 17, 2022 7:19 am

Rien que leur "news" avant hier ( j'ai reçu ça d'un soldat Russe qui est mon fan ) montre le niveau de manipulation des populations en temps de guerre :

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PW

Do you think this is the first time?
Here's a link to The Guardian...

upload photos
In 2011, he was handing out Viagra to Gaddafi.

They don't even consider it necessary to change the methodology of their false and stupid propaganda. And really, why should they? You're going to eat all this crap up anyway...

PIERRE WOODMAN wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 17, 2022 7:19 am

Ensuite pour avoir passé beaucoup de temps aux USA et même si c'est un pays que je trouve magnifique, je n'ai jamais voulu y vivre et n'y vivrais jamais !!!
Pourquoi ???

PW

https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status ... 8004287488

MVitaly5 wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 17, 2022 12:10 pm

Do you think this is the first time?
Here's a link to The Guardian...

upload photos
In 2011, he was handing out Viagra to Gaddafi.

They don't even consider it necessary to change the methodology of their false and stupid propaganda. And really, why should they? You're going to eat all this crap up anyway...

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mide ... SKCN1GR1PZ

Not the first time of course. But it was true each time

pierro wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 17, 2022 1:05 pm

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mide ... SKCN1GR1PZ

Not the first time of course. But it was true each time

What does "rape" in Syria have to do with it, moron?
First, in The Guardian's reference, it's about Gaddafi (Libya) and the alleged "suppression" of dissent in Syria and Iran. 2011.
Secondly, what does this have to do with Russia?
Thirdly, everything about your specific article is all lies and bullshit. As false as the constant staging of "White Helmets" chemical attacks in Syria, which have long since been exposed as fake! Even if there have been isolated cases of violence against women in Syria, first of all, there is no real evidence of it, except for the usual chatter, and secondly, it is not a mass phenomenon.
This is a Muslim country, moron, it is not typical for them to rape women at all!

Pierrot, you are so illiterate that if I got into as many stupid situations on this forum as you have, I'd probably burn with shame by now.

The Israeli TV channel INN, made a great video about Ukraine.

https://vk.com/video-63864112_456240100

PIERRE WOODMAN wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 17, 2022 7:19 am

Il m'ont couvert d'or dans tes rêves !!!
Larry a gentiment oublié de me payer 20 % de l'ensemble du fric qu'il me devait.

On peut dire, quand même, que de tous les employeurs que tu as eu, c'est lui, qui t'a le mieux payé ?

Pour le reste sur les USA, ta réponse est franche, direct, et je respecte ça , par contre t'es peut être, je dis bien peut être, aussi tombé sur beaucoup de pétasses, ce qui expliquerait ta déception vis à vis de la population US

Jean wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 17, 2022 4:14 am

Les USA sont venu nous libérer des nazi en 45...

Oui, les États-Unis vous ont libéré. C'est vrai. Seulement, ils ont commencé à vous libérer en 1944, alors que l'Armée rouge de l'Union soviétique avait vaincu l'armée d'Hitler sur son propre territoire et libérait déjà des pays d'Europe de l'Est, et ce n'était qu'une question de temps avant que l'armée soviétique ne l'emporte. Si Hitler avait vaincu l'Union soviétique, personne ne vous aurait libéré. Les États-Unis et la Grande-Bretagne auraient alors dû penser à la sécurité de leurs propres culs.

De plus, ce que les États-Unis voulaient faire à la France après qu'elle ait été libérée et qu'elle ait gagné la guerre, vous Jean, ne l'aimerez pas !
Lisez les mémoires de de Gaulle ! Les États-Unis voulaient faire de la France une puissance de second rang, totalement dépendante des États-Unis. En fait, la dépendance de la France à l'égard des États-Unis est toujours d'actualité. Les politiciens comme de Gaulle ont disparu depuis longtemps en France. Mais si la France n'est pas devenue une puissance de second rang, c'est grâce à Staline, qui a soutenu de Gaulle. C'est Staline qui a insisté pour que la France figure parmi les pays vainqueurs de la Seconde Guerre mondiale, alors qu'elle ne le méritait pas. Maintenant, vous siégez au Conseil de sécurité de l'ONU et vous chiez sur la Russie. Telle est votre courte mémoire et votre ingratitude.

MVitaly5 wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 17, 2022 1:33 pm

pierro wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 17, 2022 1:05 pm

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mide ... SKCN1GR1PZ

Not the first time of course. But it was true each time

What does "rape" in Syria have to do with it, moron?
First, in The Guardian's reference, it's about Gaddafi (Libya) and the alleged "suppression" of dissent in Syria and Iran. 2011.
Secondly, what does this have to do with Russia?
Thirdly, everything about your specific article is all lies and bullshit. As false as the constant staging of "White Helmets" chemical attacks in Syria, which have long since been exposed as fake! Even if there have been isolated cases of violence against women in Syria, first of all, there is no real evidence of it, except for the usual chatter, and secondly, it is not a mass phenomenon.
This is a Muslim country, moron, it is not typical for them to rape women at all!

Pierrot, you are so illiterate that if I got into as many stupid situations on this forum as you have, I'd probably burn with shame by now.

I sent a link describing the results of an officially conducted investigation. Or, as always, CNN, "Guardian" and "Reuters" are all lies, you can only believe Vkontakte links or YouTube channels with fake subscribers? Although what am I talking about? in russia, the president unscrupulously lies to the whole world, what do you expect from uneducated morons, who were also shitted in the head by propagandists

Vitaly, even Mr. Woodman very gently hints that you are spreading nonsense and lies on this forum.
most of the participants of the forum are already openly poking you with your nose in the shit you are spreading here.
Therefore, I personally don't care what such a moral freak like you thinks or writes about me, I will continue to accuse russia of military aggression until the complete victory of Ukraine and the public condemnation of all war criminals. And I will continue to accuse you personally of every lie and every phrase that incites international hatred. if you undertook to support and justify scumbags - tolerate the corresponding attitude towards yourself.

russia is a terrorist state!