RUSSIA - UKRAINE 2022 CONFLICT

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El Major wrote:
Tue Oct 18, 2022 8:20 am
And after russia for a few years seemed to be able to talk about stalin in more truthful way Putin now seeks to whitewash russias horrible stalinist past.
I personally absolutely do not think that Stalin is a "demon"!
Stalin's personality and his activities in history have been very much distorted. And first of all, Khrushchev was to blame for this, when he came to power after Stalin, he did an extremely stupid thing. He decided to "expose" the cult of Stalin's personality, while providing the historiography of the USSR and the world with extremely exaggerated and unreliable information. And this misinformation is still used by the whole world. And Russia itself is largely to blame for this until 2000, which itself escalated and supported the anti-Stalinist lie at home and in the West.

Yes, there were many ambiguous and controversial moments in the period of Stalin's leadership.
Yes, there were political repressions, no one denies that. BUT, the size of these repressions was extremely exaggerated. No millions of repressions were not even close, it was all a lie. For comparison, even at the apogee of repression from 1933-1938. As of 1939, the total number of the Gulag, was 1.66 million, where 70% were common criminals. At this point in the U.S., the prison population is over 2 million! For some reason, no one calls the U.S. a horrible authoritarian country.

A total of 642,980 people were sentenced to death in the USSR over the entire period (32 years). This is the officially established reliable data. Not what tens of millions! And it can be checked even from the point of view of elementary logic, and look the indicators of the USSR census, in different years, the population only increased. I will not lay out all these figures, you can look them up on the Internet.
Yes, it's a big number, too. But it was an extremely difficult and controversial period in the life of the Soviet state. These numbers also include Trotskyists, and other destroyers of the Russian Empire, who crushed the great country to please the West, the victims of the Civil War, and all the traitors who served Hitler during World War II. Of course, they included outright bandits, bandera fighters, deserters, and even terrorists.

This issue is very voluminous, and I'm just too lazy to write much here. There is a lot of misinformation and outright lies about Stalin.

I know this is a very sharply polarized issue, but I don't care, I personally have a very definite and unequivocal opinion about Stalin.

I respect Stalin, and I consider him one of the most significant figures in the history of the Soviet Union and Russia as a whole. Under Stalin's leadership, we won the greatest war in human history, and the Soviet Union became the world superpower.
У. Churchill: "Stalin took the country with a ploughshare and left it with nuclear weapons!"
That says it all!

That is my personal opinion!
I do not want to argue on this subject here, because I think it is such a voluminous topic that it deserves separate attention.
For this reason, to defame Stalin, in my eyes, no one can. It is better to simply close this discussion. :!:

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MVitaly5 wrote:
Tue Oct 18, 2022 9:31 am

I personally absolutely do not think that Stalin is a "demon"!
Stalin's personality and his activities in history have been very much distorted. And first of all, Khrushchev was to blame for this, when he came to power after Stalin, he did an extremely stupid thing. He decided to "expose" the cult of Stalin's personality, while providing the historiography of the USSR and the world with extremely exaggerated and unreliable information. And this misinformation is still used by the whole world. And Russia itself is largely to blame for this until 2000, which itself escalated and supported the anti-Stalinist lie at home and in the West.
Vitaly, I would like to add, now that you mentioned Khruschev, Nikita sid one extremely retarded thing. He gave Crimea to Ukrainians in 1953, or to Ukrainian regime of USSR. Which came on payback in 2015. Crimea until then was entirely in Russian hands

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milster wrote:
Tue Oct 18, 2022 12:30 pm
Vitaly, I would like to add, now that you mentioned Khruschev, Nikita sid one extremely retarded thing. He gave Crimea to Ukrainians in 1953, or to Ukrainian regime of USSR. Which came on payback in 2015. Crimea until then was entirely in Russian hands
Yes, that's right! Only in 1954. (February 19, 1954).

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milster wrote:
Tue Oct 18, 2022 12:30 pm
MVitaly5 wrote:
Tue Oct 18, 2022 9:31 am

I personally absolutely do not think that Stalin is a "demon"!
Stalin's personality and his activities in history have been very much distorted. And first of all, Khrushchev was to blame for this, when he came to power after Stalin, he did an extremely stupid thing. He decided to "expose" the cult of Stalin's personality, while providing the historiography of the USSR and the world with extremely exaggerated and unreliable information. And this misinformation is still used by the whole world. And Russia itself is largely to blame for this until 2000, which itself escalated and supported the anti-Stalinist lie at home and in the West.
Vitaly, I would like to add, now that you mentioned Khruschev, Nikita sid one extremely retarded thing. He gave Crimea to Ukrainians in 1953, or to Ukrainian regime of USSR. Which came on payback in 2015. Crimea until then was entirely in Russian hands
He also pardoned and released all the Nazi Banderite scum in the late 1950's. They lived as completely free citizens and worked their way up the power structures of the USSR - creating the poison in ukronazi society and greatly contributing to the situation now

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@JDR Ugh. Dreadful. What a scum.

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El Major wrote:
Tue Oct 18, 2022 8:20 am
Well you can also say that I have no problem speaking about good or bad parts of history for any country.

You on the other hand with your ultra nationalsit russian talking points on the other hand. Denying any russian wrongdoings in Ukraine . And after russia for a few years seemed to be able to talk about stalin in more truthful way Putin now seeks to whitewash russias horrible stalinist past.
Putin has said NUMEROUS things criticising Stalin, retard.
In the USSR, there was a major "decleansing" of everything positively associated with Stalin. Statues removed, streets renamed, hundreds of thousands of people ( maybe some millions) released from Prison who were convicted in Stalin era, complete change in architecture of cities, Lenin viewed on a much higher pedestal, If you were not so thick, the clue would be in "Stalingrad", the crucial point of the entire war, existing since the early 60's under the name of Vologograd. Issues that blighted much of the former Soviet Union ( although Russia unlike "Ukraine" has achieved much to combat it) is corruption and nepotism. Stalin in that context is viewed positive for his undeniably successful methods against corruption, and not bargaining to get his son released from POW camp also makes it clear he was not for nepotism. Nobody says these methods should be copied, but in context they should be viewed more favourably.

Only a liar or somebody very thick would say Russia are doing any "wrongdoings" in Ukraine, sheep. Only a liar or somebody very thick , believes Putin is "whitewashing" any Stalinist past.
He criticise Lenin more than Stalin , but that's only because the historical decisions Lenin made. wrongly, have contributed far more to the problems now than anything Stalin did. Its mainly soros faggots and Banderites ( Nazi scum who in Galicia had NOTHING to do with Stalin or any overinflated famine) pretending to complain about Stalin.

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ALL the porn director, absolutly ALL of them, hyped themselves, one time or another, with USA culture, Rocco did a porn remake of Rocky in the 90's, Pierre did 2 porn remake of 2 amercian's box office blockbusters (Sin/sex city, sliver/tower), today even Netflix make the industry dream, so, political side appart, USA has always had a influence on porn world, one way or another...

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Jean wrote:
Tue Oct 18, 2022 4:33 pm
ALL the porn director, absolutly ALL of them, hyped themselves, one time or another, with USA culture, Rocco did a porn remake of Rocky in the 90's, Pierre did 2 porn remake of 2 amercian's box office blockbusters (Sin/sex city, sliver/tower), today even Netflix make the industry dream, so, political side appart, USA has always had a influence on porn world, one way or another...
No one disputes the excellent achievements of the United States in all fields of human activity, even though the policy of the United States has always been to bring the world's intellectual and talented human potential to the United States, in all fields of activity. The purchase of personnel, wars, which they provoked and arranged everywhere, after which the human potential, production and capital, of course, went there, where it was safe, that is, to the United States itself. This is their historically practiced policy and this is what they are doing now, blatantly bankrupting Europe. And if the U.S. policy did not pretend to impose their selfish interests on everyone in the world, while resorting to outright violence, ignoring any norms of international law, perhaps they would be less hated in the world...

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Jean wrote:
Tue Oct 18, 2022 4:33 pm
ALL the porn director, absolutly ALL of them, hyped themselves, one time or another, with USA culture, Rocco did a porn remake of Rocky in the 90's, Pierre did 2 porn remake of 2 amercian's box office blockbusters (Sin/sex city, sliver/tower), today even Netflix make the industry dream, so, political side appart, USA has always had a influence on porn world, one way or another...
Many porn producers have done Nazi themed productions ( Band of Bastards was great) - WTF is your point?

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