Thanks El Major

El Major wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 17, 2022 11:52 pm

PIERRE WOODMAN wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 17, 2022 7:02 pm

How can you not understand that the quantitative superiority of the combined army of Ukraine, international mercenaries and NATO is 6-10 times greater than the Russian contract army directly involved in the operation in Ukraine!

So it's exactly what I said Vitaly ... for now they are weaker !!! Maybe they will show somethi,g else in future ( I hope not and would like the peace ) but for now obviously something is wrong !!!

Also Vitaly your video about LA is not a reference.
The down town is as it is, yes not the cleanest area but myself I was there so many times, sometimes with 500 black people around me and NEVER I have had a problem. I feel safer in downtown LA than in Paris to be honest !!!
Also LA is so huge and you have Beverly Hills + all places like Malibu beach with millionaire houses everywhere and top clean area ...
On that point you are wrong ... but in any case all in USA is false and just based on money !!!
About the WW2, my personal conviction is without Pearl Harbour, NEVER any american will have put a feet in Europe to help us. It's clear if Hitler had invaded England, Staline will have send millions of guys to kick his ass and will have done with France and ALL others the same as he did with Poland CZ and HU etc ...

Pierro please, don't tell me you belive these stories of Viagra !!! It's impossible and curiously put on the news for Khadafi in past and now again with Russians. It's just ridiculous ...
Especialy if you consider how much many guys feel bad after taking these pills, it's the last thing I will suggest for warriors !!!

Jean STP n'essaye pas de comprendre qui m'a payé le mieux ... parce que c'est moi même !!!

PW

Well just like today when USA helped Ukraine avoid being taken over by Russia with their millitary aid , USA sent an awful lot of millitary aid to Europe and to Soviet Union to help stop Hitler before that. Not even russian propaganda guys like Vitaly can deny that part of history.

Yes, they were sent under the Lend-Lease program. And the help, in general, was not small. But...
First, almost all known military historians, economists, who understood this issue, analyzed, compared statistical data on availability of Western equipment at the fronts and Soviet equipment, in general, all concluded that the lend-lease assistance was significant, but not decisive! The Soviet Union would have won the war without the supplied equipment. Many books have been written about this. The entire economy of the Soviet Union was put on war footing.

Second, American lend-lease, it was not gratuitous, but on credit! And the Soviet Union, paid the United States, every cent, even with interest!

The question remains, will Ukraine pay? Your beloved West, does not supply anything for nothing, out of the goodness of its heart! And sooner or later, they will charge Ukraine and strip it naked! That's why they don't want Russia to take the territories of Ukraine, because they themselves expect to own them, for debts!

MVitaly5 wrote: ↑

Tue Oct 18, 2022 6:28 am

Yes, they were sent under the Lend-Lease program. And the help, in general, was not small. But...
First, almost all known military historians, economists, who understood this issue, analyzed, compared statistical data on availability of Western equipment at the fronts and Soviet equipment, in general, all concluded that the lend-lease assistance was significant, but not decisive! The Soviet Union would have won the war without the supplied equipment. Many books have been written about this. The entire economy of the Soviet Union was put on war footing.

Second, American lend-lease, it was not gratuitous, but on credit! And the Soviet Union, paid the United States, every cent, even with interest!

The question remains, will Ukraine pay? Your beloved West, does not supply anything for nothing, out of the goodness of its heart! And sooner or later, they will charge Ukraine and strip it naked! That's why they don't want Russia to take the territories of Ukraine, because they themselves expect to own them, for debts!

Well if Hitler had beaten the red army none of that would have mattered so my point to Pierre was USA did play a part early to beat Hitler.

Hard to say if the nazis would have won without that help early on . Maybe not. The only thing we can agree on is that the red army and the pepole of sovjet union played by far the biggest part in beating the nazis and its not even close.

But we are now in 2022 and I think Ukraine will be fine when Russia leave them alone . Everything you project USA will do Russia has done for a long time in Ukraine. All this talk about USA as the devil here as though Russia or China are not players on the world stage in Africa etc

El Major wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 17, 2022 11:04 pm

tango75jlb wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 17, 2022 9:38 pm

Nos amis américains, oeuvrant comme chacun sait pour le bien de l'humanité...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/arti ... -rate.html

You read that article and you go straight to USA are going to unleash a deadly virus on the world?

Ok donc peux tu m'expliquer à quoi çà sert de faire des manipulations aussi dangereuses en laboratoires? Quel est le but???? Il suffit d'un SEUL fou , d'un Dr Folamour pour mettre dans la nature un virus pareil et exterminer 80% de la population mondiale.

tango75jlb wrote: ↑

Tue Oct 18, 2022 6:53 am

El Major wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 17, 2022 11:04 pm

tango75jlb wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 17, 2022 9:38 pm

Nos amis américains, oeuvrant comme chacun sait pour le bien de l'humanité...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/arti ... -rate.html

You read that article and you go straight to USA are going to unleash a deadly virus on the world?

Ok donc peux tu m'expliquer à quoi çà sert de faire des manipulations aussi dangereuses en laboratoires? Quel est le but???? Il suffit d'un SEUL fou , d'un Dr Folamour pour mettre dans la nature un virus pareil et exterminer 80% de la population mondiale.

You can not be serious if you think USA is the only country with these sort of labs for research

MVitaly5 wrote: ↑

Tue Oct 18, 2022 6:28 am

El Major wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 17, 2022 11:52 pm

PIERRE WOODMAN wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 17, 2022 7:02 pm

So it's exactly what I said Vitaly ... for now they are weaker !!! Maybe they will show somethi,g else in future ( I hope not and would like the peace ) but for now obviously something is wrong !!!

Also Vitaly your video about LA is not a reference.
The down town is as it is, yes not the cleanest area but myself I was there so many times, sometimes with 500 black people around me and NEVER I have had a problem. I feel safer in downtown LA than in Paris to be honest !!!
Also LA is so huge and you have Beverly Hills + all places like Malibu beach with millionaire houses everywhere and top clean area ...
On that point you are wrong ... but in any case all in USA is false and just based on money !!!
About the WW2, my personal conviction is without Pearl Harbour, NEVER any american will have put a feet in Europe to help us. It's clear if Hitler had invaded England, Staline will have send millions of guys to kick his ass and will have done with France and ALL others the same as he did with Poland CZ and HU etc ...

Pierro please, don't tell me you belive these stories of Viagra !!! It's impossible and curiously put on the news for Khadafi in past and now again with Russians. It's just ridiculous ...
Especialy if you consider how much many guys feel bad after taking these pills, it's the last thing I will suggest for warriors !!!

Jean STP n'essaye pas de comprendre qui m'a payé le mieux ... parce que c'est moi même !!!

PW

Well just like today when USA helped Ukraine avoid being taken over by Russia with their millitary aid , USA sent an awful lot of millitary aid to Europe and to Soviet Union to help stop Hitler before that. Not even russian propaganda guys like Vitaly can deny that part of history.

Yes, they were sent under the Lend-Lease program. And the help, in general, was not small. But...
First, almost all known military historians, economists, who understood this issue, analyzed, compared statistical data on availability of Western equipment at the fronts and Soviet equipment, in general, all concluded that the lend-lease assistance was significant, but not decisive! The Soviet Union would have won the war without the supplied equipment. Many books have been written about this. The entire economy of the Soviet Union was put on war footing.

Second, American lend-lease, it was not gratuitous, but on credit! And the Soviet Union, paid the United States, every cent, even with interest!

The question remains, will Ukraine pay? Your beloved West, does not supply anything for nothing, out of the goodness of its heart! And sooner or later, they will charge Ukraine and strip it naked! That's why they don't want Russia to take the territories of Ukraine, because they themselves expect to own them, for debts!

Forgot...

The U.S. and Britain did not help the Soviet Union unselfishly or out of love for the Communists and Stalin.
They understood that if Hitler defeated the Soviet Union, he would have access to unlimited resources, and then the U.S. and Britain would be fucked!
That's why they do everything out of their purely pragmatic interests, not out of noble intentions and humanity. They have never cared about the latter.

In addition, in history, it is not known who helped whom more.

It was the Russian Empire, one of the first states to recognize the independence of the United States from the British Empire (the Russian Empire's Declaration of Neutrality in 1780), which helped the American government a lot, particularly in unblocking international trade. In the historiography of the U.S. Congress, this is a very important historical moment.

And, when the civil war broke out in the 1860s, Russia sent two naval squadrons to the United States - the Atlantic and Pacific squadrons and the general political position of the Russian Empire, which supported "the North", thereby prevented England and France, which wanted to support "the South", from entering the civil war in the US. The territorial integrity of the United States of America was thereby preserved. The Northern states won the Civil War, after which the American statehood was already formed as it is today.

That's it, El Major, in history you need to know more than just your personal points of interest!!!!

What are you talking about? Obvioulsy they were not best friends with stalin. Everyone knows they feared Stalin so much that even quite a few nazis that should have been punished for war crimes was suddenly important assets against stalin after ww2.

Does not change the fact that Hitler and the nazis was seen as the biggest evil that had to be defeated first and USA sent a lot of help which was important early on.

El Major wrote: ↑

Tue Oct 18, 2022 7:19 am

What are you talking about? Obvioulsy they were not best friends with stalin. Everyone knows they feared Stalin so much that even quite a few nazis that should have been punished for war crimes was suddenly important assets against stalin after ww2.

This proves once again that Anglo-Saxons do not choose their friends in an attempt to achieve their interests!
They helped Hitler and the German businessmen of Nazi Germany economically even before the war, because it benefited them.
They had many friends whom they themselves created and supported in their own self-interest, and then when they fulfilled their "role", they eliminated them.
Bin Laden was completely a creation of the CIA, which was supported by the United States in Afghanistan against the Soviet Union. And then, when he was no longer needed, he was declared a terrorist and disposed of.
ISIS is an organization originally made up of Iraqi military and intelligence services that were bribed and supported by the US to fight against Saadam Hussein. When Iraq was destroyed and Hussein was executed, they were declared terrorists and wanted to eliminate them. They did not like it and created ISIS, which occupied a large part of Central Asia and the Middle East, and only the intervention of the Russian army helped to defeat ISIS.
And there are many such examples, I only listed the obvious examples.

That is why, whatever you say, the concepts of "Anglo-Saxons" and "nobility" are absolutely incompatible.

Well you can also say that I have no problem speaking about good or bad parts of history for any country.

You on the other hand with your ultra nationalsit russian talking points on the other hand. Denying any russian wrongdoings in Ukraine . And after russia for a few years seemed to be able to talk about stalin in more truthful way Putin now seeks to whitewash russias horrible stalinist past.

El Major wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 17, 2022 11:32 pm

milster wrote: ↑

Mon Oct 17, 2022 11:18 pm

tango75jlb wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 16, 2022 4:24 pm

Les Usa sont une démocratie avec...eux mêmes, mais deviennent un Etat totalitaire avec le reste du monde, une façon pour eux de défendre leurs intérêts et leadership mondial, qu'ils vont perdre de toute façon

US is global empire in crumbling. They didn't mind breaking rules when they intervened in Yugoslavia. And latter in Middle East. Their interests are interests of the few...I think Kanye West said something about it fairly recently

The same guy that that also recently ranted about going death con 3 ON JEWISH PEOPLE ?

Yes him. I am going on defcon 4.