Did the west start this war? oh my, what a disgusting patriotism, even a blind man understands that when a nation lives poorly and poorly, it prefers Western well-being!

You want to go to war with all NATO

Please Vitaly use THEY and not YOU because for sure if it was under my hands I will have just pushed both part to respect the Minsk convention !!!

and this war is actually already going on between Russia and NATO,

This is more than clear that as I already said they use Ukrain as a new Libanon story again ...
For young generation it means nothing, but for people over 50 years old I think it's easy to see the similarity with Israel and all his arabians neighboors in the 70's when no one wanted dirty is own country and use this beautiful country as playground for their discusting war !!!

PW

You do realize that I am not addressing you personally, but the Western world, namely the decision-makers!
I know your more or less balanced position on this issue.
Understand, Pierre, NATO is so fed up that they can't even see the borders anymore. I can show you a video of a group of soldiers riding on military equipment from Ukraine, there is not a single person there who speaks Ukrainian or Russian! Mercenaries and regular servicemen of NATO countries, they put Ukrainian chevrons on their uniforms and are already involved in this war to the fullest extent. According to my information, there are already tens of thousands of foreign mercenaries and soldiers from private military companies fighting in Ukraine. Yesterday a soldier of the American private military company Academi (Blackwaters) was taken prisoner. The U.S. itself is afraid of a full scale war, and wants to involve Europe in a full scale war to begin with.
Many here on this forum have a major misconception about the reaction to this war by Russians, and that Putin is the only one to blame. Understand that the situation is such that, on the contrary, there is tremendous pressure within the country for Putin to reconsider the soft approach to this operation, and to significantly strengthen the actions of the Russian Army.
I know that in Russia the question is already being discussed and probably a decision has already been made to move to another level of military action with the involvement of more serious forces and means of destruction. I do not know what this will lead to in the end, but in Russia they are focused only on winning this war! It seems that the West does not understand that the leading nuclear power in the world cannot lose! NATO is playing with fire. I can't understand Europe, where is it going. Europe is given 10 minutes to live in a nuclear war!
The situation is getting more and more confrontational every day.

Here we are again seeing threats to Europe regarding a nuclear strike. russia is pure evil. russia is a terrorist state!

Imagine the consequances for Russia, with the rest of the planet, socialy, and économically, if Russia launch a nuclear strike , this will be a disater for them, so sleep well, there's will be no strike

Jean wrote: ↑

Fri Sep 16, 2022 1:35 pm

Imagine the consequances for Russia, with the rest of the planet, socialy, and économically, if Russia launch a nuclear strike , this will be a disater for them, so sleep well, there's will be no strike

Yes, don't worry Jean, watch your television set in peace before you have it turned off due to lack of power.

But seriously, Russia is not going to launch any nuclear strikes, because there is no need to do so at the moment.
Russia's military doctrine on the use of nuclear weapons says that only as a retaliatory measure when there is a threat to the very existence of the country. And such a threat does not necessarily have to be a nuclear strike against Russia.
At the moment no one threatens Russia in this way. It is winning the war! Practically all of Dombass has already been liberated. There are two big cities left, Slavyansk and Kramatorsk, and I think we will liberate them too, little by little!

there is not a single person there who speaks Ukrainian or Russian! Mercenaries and regular servicemen of NATO countries, they put Ukrainian chevrons on their uniforms and are already involved in this war to the fullest extent

True but Russians do the same !!! I get some videos from fans ( I promised not show here ) telling me greetings but there were foreigners working for Russia and getting a 4000 euros monthly salary ( they said, I don't know if real or not !!! )

But yes Jean should relax, I don't see Russia using nuclear bomb but sadly I can imagine Russia using massive bombing on Ukrain and killing a lot of innocent people ...
That's what I hope will never happen !!!

PW

PIERRE WOODMAN wrote: ↑

Fri Sep 16, 2022 3:23 pm

True but Russians do the same !!! I get some videos from fans ( I promised not show here ) telling me greetings but there were foreigners working for Russia and getting a 4000 euros monthly salary ( they said, I don't know if real or not !!! )

Naturally, there are volunteers from various countries who sympathize with Russia and the people of Dombass. There are even many Europeans and even Americans among them. Don't think that all Western people support Ukraine in this conflict, that's absolutely not the case. There are a lot of foreign journalists and specialists in other fields working in Dombass and other liberated territories of Ukraine. It's just that your media don't show it. A documentary by Steven Seagal is about to be released, I think you should watch it. Volunteers from various countries are also coming to Dombass, but they are not mercenaries! I have not heard that Russia or the republics of the DNR and LNR have purposefully recruited mercenaries from around the world for money. There are many volunteers in Russia, citizens of Russia. With them, yes, contracts are signed and their service is paid, I wrote about it already in this thread.

PIERRE WOODMAN wrote: ↑

Fri Sep 16, 2022 3:23 pm

But yes Jean should relax, I don't see Russia using nuclear bomb but sadly I can imagine Russia using massive bombing on Ukrain and killing a lot of innocent people ...
That's what I hope will never happen !!!

PW

You know what really irritates me, and I think most Russians do, Pierre?
You write that you really don't want Russia to become tougher in this conflict. The military operation has been going on for several months now. Russia only strikes militarily significant targets. Zelensky, from the beginning, huddled like a rat in a bunker, and could barely move his tongue out of fear. But when he realized that nobody bombed him he became courageous and now he is walking around the city quietly, receiving packs of western delegations. In the cities of central and western Ukraine, there are cafes and entertainment events. In Central and Western Ukraine ordinary life is going on, whatever you may have been told.
But all this time, the Ukrainian army, REGULARLY, EVERY DAY, shells the cities of Dombass, and other cities in the territories liberated by Russia! Because it is there, not in Kiev, that the front lines of contact pass. They are deliberately targeting civilian neighborhoods, not the Russian army. Every day, ordinary people and children are killed! They constantly carry out terrorist acts in these territories. You don't fucking see or know this, because your citizens are not shown a fucking thing by your media.
Just today there was massive shelling of Luhansk and Kherson. Lots of ordinary people died, not soldiers! The deputy mayor of Berdyansk was killed in a terrorist attack along with his wife.
You can't even imagine the anger and irritation I and Russians in general have accumulated over this. That is why these "pacifist" speeches of people in the West, I am extremely irritated. Apparently you just do not understand me.
You can consider me a cynic, a butcher, whatever, if it were up to me, I would have chased that rat Zelensky back into the bunker long ago. Consider yourself lucky that Putin is running Russia and not someone else, much tougher.
The US and NATO, the first thing they did in Yugoslavia, was destroy all the power plants, other vital infrastructure and decision-making centers. And you all want Russia to be kind? Don't you think it smacks of hypocrisy? However, this is the usual policy of the collective West. What they can do in this world, others can't. Yes?

The military operation has been going on for several months now. Russia only strikes militarily significant targets. Zelensky, from the beginning, huddled like a rat in a bunker, and could barely move his tongue out of fear. But when he realized that nobody bombed him he became courageous and now he is walking around the city quietly, receiving packs of western delegations. In the cities of central and western Ukraine, there are cafes and entertainment events. In Central and Western Ukraine ordinary life is going on, whatever you may have been told.
But all this time, the Ukrainian army, REGULARLY, EVERY DAY, shells the cities of Dombass, and other cities in the territories liberated by Russia! Because it is there, not in Kiev, that the front lines of contact pass. They are deliberately targeting civilian neighborhoods, not the Russian army. Every day, ordinary people and children are killed! They constantly carry out terrorist acts in these territories. You don't fucking see or know this, because your citizens are not shown a fucking thing by your media.

I know lot of people will not be happy but I agree with this because a lot of people FROM UKRAIN told me this too !!!

Myself and I think anyone should me able to see that in 2022 it's not possible to walk ANYWHERE in a full country on war without take the risk to be killed but a lot of politician even hollywood stars goes to Ukrain and walk very cool in many place like in the market at the corner of the street in Paris or London, and in my opinion just this should alert anyone about the true level of this conflict out of Dombass zone !!!

Can anyone imagine De Gaule or Churchill walking in the street of France or England inviting some friends for a "tour" in 1941 ???
And at this time there wasn't the ultra sophisticated material Russians have today making them able to target a cat or a dog from behind the border of Ukrain is they wish !!!

PW

PIERRE WOODMAN wrote: ↑

Fri Sep 16, 2022 4:41 pm

I know lot of people will not be happy but I agree with this because a lot of people FROM UKRAIN told me this too !!!

That's why Putin is still not making these decisions!!!
He feels sorry for the ordinary Ukrainians, who are oppressed by the fascist junta in power in Kiev and just a bunch of traitors!
But about the decision-making centers in Ukraine, I think his patience is coming to an end...

PIERRE WOODMAN wrote: ↑

Fri Sep 16, 2022 4:41 pm

Can anyone imagine De Gaule or Churchill walking in the street of France or England inviting some friends for a "tour" in 1941 ???
PW

Exactly!