MVitaly5 wrote: ↑

Fri May 13, 2022 10:09 pm

Apollo13 wrote: ↑

Fri May 13, 2022 3:06 pm

What are the names of these channels? i would like to look it up.... thx

Zelensky shut down 7 TV channels!!! And no one counted how many media resources in general. In a word practically all of them!

1. "UkrLive"
2. "Первый независимый"
3. "112 "
4. "NewsOne "
5. "ZIK"
6. "Пятый"
7. "Прямой"

Also Russia doesen't hate fascists, they are fascists.

MVitaly5 wrote: ↑

Fri May 13, 2022 10:00 pm

pierro wrote: ↑

Fri May 13, 2022 9:20 pm

Seriuosly? It can be other way? Can you imagine someone says "I live in France, I'm half French and I know its language." For me its impossible to live so long in any country and don't know its language. You can speak on your native language, its your choice, but you MUST know language of your country!

It's obvious that you don't know shit about Ukraine!
In Ukraine, more than 50% of the population consider Russian their native and primary language. And the Ukrainian language has been forcibly imposed on them in recent years. More than 80% of Ukrainians are fluent in Russian. And on the contrary, more than 30% did not even want to study the Ukrainian language, it was forcibly imposed on them, through the eradication of Russian-language communication in schools, administrative institutions, etc. If it were not for the Soviet regime, the Ukrainian language would still be spread only in small farmsteads of the Western and Southern territory of modern Ukraine. The forcible eradication of the Russian language and discrimination against the Russian-speaking population by the Ukrainian power regime was one of Russia's main grievances.
Learn the material part of the question.

I understand that Wikipedia is not a reliable source for you. But...

Linguistic geography
Range and abundance

Ukrainian as a native language in Ukraine by regions according to the 2001 census
The total population of the Earth for whom Ukrainian is their native language is 34.71 million people (2003, of which 32.6 million people live in Ukraine)[9]. The number of people who speak the language in the world is about 47 million people.

Ukraine
On the territory of Ukraine in 1993 there were about 31 million people whose native language was Ukrainian, by 2001 (according to the census, despite the general decrease in the country's population), their number increased to 32.7 million people - 67.5% of the population [38]. Most of the residents, for whom the Ukrainian language is not native, speak it to one degree or another, mainly due to the mandatory study of the Ukrainian language in secondary and higher educational institutions.
In 2001, the Ukrainian language was territorially most common in the Ternopil region (98.3% of the inhabitants called Ukrainian their native language), the least - in Sevastopol (6.8% of the inhabitants).
Among ethnic Ukrainians, 85.2% consider it native, among Poles - 71.0%, Crimean Tatars - 0.1% and Russians - 3.9% [38].

I think that first the Russian Empire and then the USSR gradually eradicated the Ukrainian language, ousted it. Now we see simply the return of the nation to its identity. So I think I've learned enough material.

About that no russian army in Donetsk and Luhansk region since 2014. Already proved who was shot down MH17, so all world know 100% there WAS regular russian army, weapon etc, no sence to deny it.

Thats where the Vatnik term comes from. Its an old comic where that character who is literally a vatnik believes all russian propaganda and myths over the reality

PIERRE WOODMAN wrote: ↑

Sat May 14, 2022 5:33 am

More we go on time and more I suspect this war to be something else than just a wish from Putin to take Ukrain.
The way he is acting is a non sens for me and too many lives are gone for a cause I can't understand ...

I really try find a proper logic in all I see and I can't see anything understandable but I see the peace in the world is in trouble.

PW

So you understand the logic of why NATO sends a huge amount of weapons to Ukraine and, most importantly, sent these weapons to Ukraine long before the war, without helping Ukraine economically in any way? That NATO and their puppet Zelensky, is throwing the fourth wave of Ukrainian reservists into the meat grinder in Dombass, while saying that we will not hold any negotiations with Russia?
Russia's logic is very clear, to move NATO away from its borders, to ensure its own security and that of the Russian-speaking population in Dombass and Ukraine as a whole.
Most importantly. Even many of your compatriots, whose voice occasionally seeps through the stream of lies, tell you that Russia in Ukraine is not waging the kind of war that NATO is used to waging in the countries where they have invaded, destroying everything in their path.

Pour les Français, ce serait intéressant ! En France, vous ne risquez pas de le voir !

https://youtu.be/nQFpz6s2ufc

More we go on time and more I suspect this war to be something else than just a wish from Putin to take Ukrain.
The way he is acting is a non sens for me and too many lives are gone for a cause I can't understand ...

I really try find a proper logic in all I see and I can't see anything understandable but I see the peace in the world is in trouble.

PW

pierro wrote: ↑

Fri May 13, 2022 11:42 pm

So I think I've learned enough material.

Did you do your research on wikipedia? I'm not even going to debate with such an opponent and comment on your post. It's not even snobbery on my part, I just don't see any prospects for our discussion. I know about it because I am Russian, I have hundreds of friends and relatives in Ukraine, the country I have been to hundreds of times and studied this issue all my considerable life, and you from wikipedia...

pierro wrote: ↑

Fri May 13, 2022 11:42 pm

About that no russian army in Donetsk and Luhansk region since 2014. Already proved who was shot down MH17, so all world know 100% there WAS regular russian army, weapon etc, no sence to deny it.

Who proved it? Did you prove it? Again on wikipedia? Even your 100% biased court in the Netherlands is still going on MH17 and has not issued any verdict. Although, I don't even doubt its verdict. Even in Malaysia, who owned the plane do not believe in the involvement of Russia, and you have someone there, something "proved".
And most importantly. I already told you, forget that claim that you are the whole world! You look ridiculous. Your Europe and the United States, far from being the whole world, are only a small part of it, constantly lying to everyone. Your colonial and imperial ambitions, all of which prevent you from settling down and realizing that you have long since lost the weight in the world that you once had. This is especially true of Europe, which, without the U.S., is just "zero.

Pour les Français, ce serait intéressant ! En France, vous ne risquez pas de le voir !

Thank you Vitaly But french can see it as it is a french program !!!

I know André Bercoff and he is a very serious journalist very straight.

This video is telling the truth for sure. and I got the full one :


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZoKnhXnp-Zk


PW

Le correspondant français de BFM TV, Cédric Fache, décrit l'impact "monstrueux" des sanctions à Moscou, en Russie.

https://russian.rt.com/inotv/2022-05-11 ... obalizacii

Le correspondant français de BFM TV, Cédric Fache, décrit l'impact "monstrueux" des sanctions à Moscou, en Russie.

https://russian.rt.com/inotv/2022-05-11 ... obalizacii

Oui il est clair que pour le moment les sanctions sont pour nous plus que pour eux !!!

as we can see above the rouble is back over what it was before the war so the sanctions are more for europeans cryng that all is much more expensive since the war than in Russia where the life did not changed at all !!!
Only the toursit has to paid more for a plane ticket but they go spend their money in other places than europe ...

Bravo Mr Biden you're doing good, and make USA much stronger. Tell thanks to Putin for that opportunity he gave you to fuck up stupid Europe !!!


I am seriously tired this thread is at 135 pages and it's only became a ping pong party to know who has the biggest dick between two camps !!!
I see nothing objectives, just another war between people fighting for their ideas about the side they support.

I lock it again for two weeks and we will see in June how will be the situation and I hope we will have more constructive discussions !!!


PW