pierro wrote: ↑

Thu May 12, 2022 7:41 pm

it is quite possible that one of the reasons for the attack on Ukraine is precisely that the country is trying to escape from corruption schemes. Putin killed Nemtsov, imprisoned Navalny, now he wants to destroy the whole country

Write a screenplay for a comic book movie. Or maybe a detective story about a conspiracy? Your imagination runs wild...

MVitaly5 wrote: ↑

Thu May 12, 2022 5:23 pm

THE KYIV INDEPENDENT Are you serious?
The Ukrainians themselves are amused by this name. Of course they want to join the EU, but to call Kiev by that name is probably even too much for them.
There are many corrupt people in Ukraine who are ready to leave Ukrainians hungry, but Russia will not allow that. After the war, the US, will abandon Ukraine to its fate, as they usually do with any expendable material, and who will feed it? Europe?
The fact remains that the grain will remain in Ukraine, FOR UKRAINIANS!!!

Apollo13 wrote: ↑

Thu May 12, 2022 5:08 pm

Starving Ukraine People to death was more a Moscow thing than Washington's

Lies! There was a famine in many regions of Soviet Russia, not just in Ukraine, and it was for objective reasons. No one specifically starved anyone to death! I have already written about it in detail in this forum thread.
Keep the links to wikipedia to yourself.

Grain was specificially witheld from Ukraine, but the famine also happend in the first place due to the Soviet's(and since Russia led the USSR), Russia's incompetence.

MVitaly5 wrote: ↑

Thu May 12, 2022 6:07 pm

This organization, Transparency International, is very subjective and biased. It was organized by a retired German banker, Peter Eigen, and I don't understand the criteria by which they evaluate the index at all.
And it is not because I am Russian, there is enough corruption in Russia, but the definition of the level of corruption in modern Russia is still conditioned by the stereotypes of the 90s. I lived in those years, and back then I would have really agreed with this rating. Still, in today's Russia, things are much better in this respect. Officials of various levels are constantly being prosecuted and convicted. Just today, former Economics Minister Ulyukayev, convicted of corruption, was released from prison.
There is corruption everywhere. This index is even more uninformative because it absolutely does not take into account such a term as lobbyism. And this phenomenon is not taken into account, in the index of corruption, in those countries where this phenomenon is present. (USA, Europe). And this is actually legalized corruption. On this basis, I consider the United States to be one of the most corrupt countries in the world, where corruption is at the state level.

No one gives a shit about your opinion in this matter, you're a brainwashed Vatnik, incapable of judging anything objectively.

More footage from the hilarious RuGF attempt at crossing a river

https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1524826166107987970

ragingboner wrote: ↑

Thu May 12, 2022 8:27 pm

Grain was specificially witheld from Ukraine, but the famine also happend in the first place due to the Soviet's(and since Russia led the USSR), Russia's incompetence.

This "incompetent" Soviet government, took an agrarian country in 1917, then a civil war, and in 20 years turned it into an industrial power that broke the back of Nazi Germany, for which all of occupied Europe worked, and liberated all of eastern Europe. How long did it take Hitler to take over European countries? In a matter of days. Your Norway surrendered in a few days (08.04-02.051940). Hitler defeated your army in 24 hours!!!Then there was the Reichskommissariat Norway, headed by Josef Terboven, and you all worked for Nazi Germany. You troll didn't know that? Study the material instead of trolling, you stinker.
Yes, the Soviet state, had to sacrifice a lot. With this grain, first of all, machine tools were bought for engineering in European countries that refused to sell machines to Soviet Russia for gold. With this, the industrialization of the country took place, and then Nazism in Europe was destroyed.
To quote Winston Churchill, "Stalin took Russia with a plough and left it with nuclear weapons!

ragingboner wrote: ↑

Thu May 12, 2022 8:27 pm

o one gives a shit about your opinion in this matter, you're a brainwashed Vatnik, incapable of judging anything objectively.

You stupid dumbass, you keep repeating the word "Vatnik," the meaning of which you don't know, thinking you're insulting me? Vatnik is the perfect Russian winter garment for the north. You asshole probably don't know that. You hear some epithet made up by morons like you about Russians, but you don't know its meaning. That's because you're a stinking troll!

MVitaly5 wrote: ↑

Thu May 12, 2022 9:00 pm

ragingboner wrote: ↑

Thu May 12, 2022 8:27 pm

Grain was specificially witheld from Ukraine, but the famine also happend in the first place due to the Soviet's(and since Russia led the USSR), Russia's incompetence.

This "incompetent" Soviet government, took an agrarian country in 1917, then a civil war, and in 20 years turned it into an industrial power that broke the back of Nazi Germany, for which all of occupied Europe worked, and liberated all of eastern Europe. How long did it take Hitler to take over European countries? In a matter of days. Your Norway surrendered in a few days (08.04-02.051940). Hitler defeated your army in 24 hours!!!Then there was the Reichskommissariat Norway, headed by Josef Terboven, and you all worked for Nazi Germany. You troll didn't know that? Study the material instead of trolling, you stinker.
Yes, the Soviet state, had to sacrifice a lot. With this grain, first of all, machine tools were bought for engineering in European countries that refused to sell machines to Soviet Russia for gold. With this, the industrialization of the country took place, and then Nazism in Europe was destroyed.
To quote Winston Churchill, "Stalin took Russia with a plough and left it with nuclear weapons!

ragingboner wrote: ↑

Thu May 12, 2022 8:27 pm

o one gives a shit about your opinion in this matter, you're a brainwashed Vatnik, incapable of judging anything objectively.

You stupid dumbass, you keep repeating the word "Vatnik," the meaning of which you don't know, thinking you're insulting me? Vatnik is the perfect Russian winter garment for the north. You asshole probably don't know that. You hear some epithet made up by morons like you about Russians, but you don't know its meaning. That's because you're a stinking troll!

I know perfectly well what Vatnik means, however, in the context i'm using it, it's describes brainwashed Putin cockmunchers like you.

Also again, you are clearly incapable of anything other than https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism
You little russkiy brainlets are so predicable

MVitaly5 wrote: ↑

Thu May 12, 2022 9:00 pm

ragingboner wrote: ↑

Thu May 12, 2022 8:27 pm

Grain was specificially witheld from Ukraine, but the famine also happend in the first place due to the Soviet's(and since Russia led the USSR), Russia's incompetence.

This "incompetent" Soviet government, took an agrarian country in 1917, then a civil war, and in 20 years turned it into an industrial power that broke the back of Nazi Germany, for which all of occupied Europe worked, and liberated all of eastern Europe. How long did it take Hitler to take over European countries? In a matter of days. Your Norway surrendered in a few days (08.04-02.051940). Hitler defeated your army in 24 hours!!!Then there was the Reichskommissariat Norway, headed by Josef Terboven, and you all worked for Nazi Germany. You troll didn't know that? Study the material instead of trolling, you stinker.
Yes, the Soviet state, had to sacrifice a lot. With this grain, first of all, machine tools were bought for engineering in European countries that refused to sell machines to Soviet Russia for gold. With this, the industrialization of the country took place, and then Nazism in Europe was destroyed.
To quote Winston Churchill, "Stalin took Russia with a plough and left it with nuclear weapons!

ragingboner wrote: ↑

Thu May 12, 2022 8:27 pm

o one gives a shit about your opinion in this matter, you're a brainwashed Vatnik, incapable of judging anything objectively.

You stupid dumbass, you keep repeating the word "Vatnik," the meaning of which you don't know, thinking you're insulting me? Vatnik is the perfect Russian winter garment for the north. You asshole probably don't know that. You hear some epithet made up by morons like you about Russians, but you don't know its meaning. That's because you're a stinking troll!

Oh by the way, i found a real life photo of Mr. Vatnik himself here

I find this discussion somewhat nonsensical, especially since you read nothing but insults

doxxx wrote: ↑

Thu May 12, 2022 10:08 pm

I find this discussion somewhat nonsensical, especially since you read nothing but insults

I had no intention of turning to insults, but there are trolls who don't put any specifics in their posts, but just try to insult. I wouldn't pay attention to a troll at all if he only insulted me, but he emphasizes "Russian" in all of his posts, i.e. he purposefully demonstrates and emphasizes his rabid Russophobia. And I, too, could tell him a lot of unpleasant things about his nationality and the country he lives in. But I am long gone from adolescence, and I do not want to stoop to his level, to insult a whole nation in which there are many adequate people, unlike him. The only time I was inappropriate in this thread was on the example of Canada, which I regret very much, but there was the same Russophobe troll, who purposely provoked.
And most importantly, the man is so inadequate that he does not understand that a vatnik is a piece of clothing. I had to enlighten him in a somewhat rude manner, but he still cannot calm down.

Russia's permanent representative to the UN, Vasily Nebenzya, at the UN Security Council, brought and showed modern history and geography textbooks of Ukraine, in different editions.
Nebenzya spoke about the educational programs of modern Ukraine and asked the French permanent representative Nicolas de Rivière if he knew about his Ukrainian roots. As confirmation of this unexpected circumstance, Nebenzya referred to an eighth-grade Ukrainian geography textbook, edited by Masliak and Kapirulin, and showed it to UN Security Council members. "If you believe it, the ancestors of the French, the Spanish, the Portuguese, the Turks and even the Jews came from Ukraine. Nebenzya turned to his French colleague. "Nicolas, did you know that you are actually Ukrainian? You don't believe me? Read a textbook," noted Nebenzia.
The authors of the textbook explain this by the fact that the ancestors of the French are Gauls and came from Galicia.

"In the textbook of the history of Ukraine for the 7th grade under the general editorship of Lyakh and Temirova it is said that the formation of the Ukrainian people, has 140,000 years. The history textbook for 9th grade edited by Turchenko and Moroko states that by the end of the 18th century Ukrainians at that time were one of the largest peoples in Europe," the diplomat said.

The author of the book "The Ukrainian Nation," Mykola Galichanets, is convinced that "the population of Eastern Europe entered the first millennium of the new era under the name Ukrainians. "This is despite the fact that no one, as you know, called the inhabitants of the territories that make up modern Ukraine Ukrainians. Even in the works of the poet Taras Shevchenko, who lived in the mid-19th century, the term "Ukrainians" is completely absent. The inhabitants of all these lands were called Ruthenians, Russians or, in the extreme case, Little Russians.

Nebenzya cited other absurd theories from the educational program of Ukraine.
"There is, for example, such a historian in Ukraine, Valery Bebik (and he is not alone). He claims that Constantinople was a colony of Chersonese on the territory of modern Sevastopol, and that the ancestor of the Scythians was a native of Crimea, Heracles, whose roots come from the island of Khortitsa on the Dnieper," the post-emperor told members of the Security Council.
"The name of the city of Mena in Chernigov region, it turns out, gave the name of the first Egyptian pharaoh Menes, and the Ukrainian state itself, according to his calculations, exists for more than 7.5 thousand years," Nebenzya shared.
According to him, the famous Mongolian commander Genghis Khan, who lived in the 12-13 centuries, according to Bebik's conviction, was actually called Bogdan.
"You don't believe it?" asked Nebenzia of the members of the Security Council. Then the author advises you to read the secret history of the Mongols, where Genghis Khan is referred to as Bogdykhan. Well, from that it is clear that he was not a Mongol, but a true Ukrainian. Especially since he fought, as Bebik is sure, with Ukrainian trident and under the zhovto-blakitic banners. And finally, his main conclusion is that Ukraine is the cradle of the world civilization and even Jesus Christ, as Bebik did not rule out in one of his interviews, could have been Galician," said the Russian ambassador.
As Nebenzya pointed out, Bebik is "not a rank-and-file, but an honored madman." In 2015, he was appointed interim chairman of the Public Council under the Ministry of Information Policy in Ukraine.

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