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Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov attacked Ukraine and its president Volodymyr Zelensky on Sunday during an interview in Italy, claiming that "the fact that he is a Jew does not negate the Nazi elements in his country. I believe that Adolf Hitler also had Jewish blood."
In an interview with an Italian news program on Sunday, Lavrov said of Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky that “the fact that he is a Jew does not negate the Nazi elements in his country.”

“I believe that Adolf Hitler also had Jewish blood,” Lavrov said.


Can you imagine such idiot makes important decisions in the country?

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Here is a list of all the aggressive actions of the U.S. against other nations of the world. And that's just after World War II. I will try to be as brief as possible.

1945 - Two atomic bombs dropped on already defeated Japan, killing about 200,000 (according to other sources, 0.5 million) people, mostly women and children.

1946 - 1949 - The U.S. bombs China and provides all kinds of opposition to the Communists.

1947 - Italy. In order to fight communism, pro-American forces are funded in elections, the CIA massacres communists.

1947 - 1948 - France. In order to fight communism and recolonize Vietnam, pro-American forces are funded in elections, military support is provided. Thousands of civilians are killed.

1947 - 1949 - Greece. U.S. troops participate in civil war, supporting fascists.

1948 - 1953 - hostilities in the Philippines. Decisive involvement in punitive actions against the Filipino people. Death of many thousands of Filipinos.

1948 - Peru. Military coup led by America. Manuel Odria came to power. The non-democratic government was further armed and supported by America, the next elections were held only in 1980.

1948 - Nicaragua: Military support is given to take control of the government.

1948 - Costa Rica. America supports a military coup.

1949 - 1953 - Albania. The USA and Great Britain make several unsuccessful attempts to overthrow the "communist regime" and replace it with a pro-Western government of monarchists and fascist collaborators.

1950 - The uprising in Puerto Rico is suppressed by U.S. troops. The struggle for independence was underway there at the time.

1950 - 1953 - armed intervention in Korea by about one million American soldiers. The deaths of hundreds of thousands of Koreans. It was not until 2000 that the mass murder of tens of thousands of political prisoners by the Seoul regime's army and police during the Korean War became known. This was done on American orders.

1950 is the beginning of American military aid to France in Vietnam. Supply of weapons, military advice, payment of half of France's military expenditures.

1951 - American military aid to Chinese rebels.

1953 - 1964 - British Guyana. For 11 years, the U.S. and Britain tried three times to prevent the democratically elected leader Jegan, who had a neutral and independent policy that the U.S. believed could lead to a society alternative to capitalism, from coming to power. Using a wide range of means, from strikes to terrorism, the U.S. succeeded in removing him from the political scene in 1964. As a result, Guyana, one of the prosperous countries in the region, had become one of the poorest by the early 1980s.

1953 - Iran. A popular uprising broke out in Iran, where the monarchists, supported by the US and Britain, and Mossadeq supporters clashed, and a coup organized by the military took place.

1953 - forced deportation of the Innu (Greenland).

1954 - Guatemala. President Jacobo Arbenz Guzmán of Guatemala was overthrown with the organization and participation of the CIA.

1956 - Beginning of U.S. military assistance to Tibetan rebels against China. Militants were trained at foreign CIA bases and supplied with weapons and equipment.

1957 - 1958 - Indonesia. The CIA launched a cold war against the Sukarno government, which was unsuccessful.

1958 - Lebanon. Occupation of the country, counterinsurgency.

1958 - confrontation with Panama.

1958 - American military aid to rebels on Quemoy Island against China.

1958 - an uprising begins in Indonesia; the CIA had been preparing it since 1957. The Americans help anti-government rebels by bombing and giving military advice.

1959 - America commits troops to Laos, the first clashes of American troops in Vietnam begin.

1959 - Haiti. The suppression of a popular uprising against the pro-American government.

1960 - After José María Velasco is elected president of Ecuador and refuses to submit to U.S. demands to break relations with Cuba, the Americans conduct several military operations. The Americans organize a coup and CIA agent Carlos Arosemana comes to power. America soon realized that this president was not subdued enough by Washington and tried to stage another coup. A popular uprising began in the country, which was suppressed under American leadership. A military junta came to power and terrorized the country.

1960 - U.S. troops enter Guatemala to carry out a coup, an attempted coup fails. 1960 - support of a military coup in El Salvador.

1960 - 1965 - Congo/Zaire. Prime Minister Lumumba is removed from office at the instigation of the U.S. and in January 1961 he is the victim of a terrorist attack. After several years of civil conflicts, Mobutu, a CIA-affiliate, came to power, ruling the country for more than 30 years and becoming a multibillionaire. During this time, the level of corruption and poverty in this resource-rich country reached unimaginable proportions.

1961 to 1964 - Brazil. After President Goulart came to power, the country adopted an independent foreign policy, re-established relations with socialist countries, and opposed the embargo against Cuba. The U.S. accused him of domination of "communists in the government" and overthrew him in a military coup. For the next 15 years a military dictatorship ruled here, Congress was covered up, political opposition was scattered, arbitrariness reigned in the judiciary, and criticism of the president was forbidden by law. Unions were run by the government, protests were suppressed by the police and army. Disappearances, rampant death squads, the cult of vice, and savage torture were part of the government's "moral rehabilitation" program.

1961 - The Americans assassinate Rafael Trujillo, President of the Dominican Republic, whom they had brought to power in the 1930s.

In 1961, the CIA had budgetary funds (560 million dollars) at its disposal to finance the "Mongoose" task force that bombed hotels and other Cuban buildings, infected livestock and crops, added poisons to sugar exported from Cuba, etc. They organized an armed attack by Cuban counterrevolutionaries in the Playa Girón area.

1962 - Guatemalan dictator Miguel Ydigoras Fuentes suppresses a popular uprising with American help, hundreds go missing, torture and murder are widespread, and the country descends into terror. American-trained graduates of the infamous "School of the Americas" especially excelled in torture and massacres of civilians.

1963 - El Salvador. Extermination of a group of anti-American dissidents.

1963 - Dominican Republic. President Bosch was overthrown in a military coup with U.S. consent. When a rebellion broke out 19 months later and threatened Bosch's return to power, the U.S. sent 23,000 troops to help quell the "revolt.

1963 - the Americans are actively helping the Baathist Party in Iraq to destroy all Communists in the country. Incidentally, it was with the help of the CIA that Saddam Hussein came to power and then fought America-hating Iran.

1964 - the bloody suppression of the Panamanian national forces demanding the return of Panama's rights in the Panama Canal Zone.

1964 - America supports a military coup in Brazil, where a military junta overthrows the legally elected president Joao Goulart. The regime of the incoming General Castelo Branco is considered one of the bloodiest in the history of mankind. CIA-trained death squads tortured and killed anyone considered a political opponent of Branco, especially communists.

1964 - Congo (Zaire). America supports the rise to power of dictator Mobutu Sese Seko, who later became famous for his brutality and stole billions of dollars from the impoverished country.

1964 - Greece. Two days before elections in August 1967, a military coup was staged to prevent Prime Minister Papandreou from regaining power. Intrigues against him by the U.S. military and CIA based in Greece began immediately after his election in April 1964. Following the coup, martial law and censorship were imposed, arrests, torture and murder began. The number of victims during the first month of the Black Colonels' rule, under the guise of saving the nation from a "communist takeover", reached 8,000 chl.

In 1965, when Indonesia nationalized oil, Washington and London again responded by staging a coup dictatorship in which General Suharto was installed. A dictatorship on a mountain of bones - half a million people. In 1975 Suharto took over East Timor and wiped out a third of the population, turning the island into a giant cemetery. "The New York Times called the tragedy "one of the most savage massacres in modern political history. No one even remembers these atrocities.

1965 - Military aid to the pro-American governments of Thailand and Peru.

1965 - Military aggression against Vietnam. Since the beginning of the war, 250,000 children have been killed, 70,000 wounded and maimed. Fourteen million tons of bombs and shells were dropped, three times the tonnage of bombs and shells of World War II. The Vietnam War cost the lives of 58,000 U.S. soldiers, mostly conscripts, with about 300,000 wounded. Tens of thousands committed suicide in subsequent years, or were mentally and morally destroyed by their war experience. In 1995, 20 years after the U.S. defeat, the Vietnamese government claimed a whopping 4 million Vietnamese civilians and 1,100,000 soldiers died during the war. There were bloody military operations in Vietnam, like "Operation Phoenix," which peaked in 1969, when nearly 20,000 Vietnamese guerrillas and their supporters were exterminated by death squads organized by the United States. At the same time, "forced urbanization" was carried out, including the expulsion of peasants from the land by bombing and chemical defoliation of the jungle. In the 1968 May Lai massacre, U.S. soldiers killed 500 civilians. A platoon known as the "Tiger Squad" swept through central Vietnam, torturing and killing an unknown number of civilians from May to November 1967. The platoon passed through more than 40 villages, attacking 10 old peasants in Song Ve Valley and grenading women and children in three underground shelters near Chu Lai in August 1967. The prisoners were tortured and executed - their ears and scalps preserved for souvenirs. One of the Tiger Squad cut off an infant's head to remove a necklace from his neck. A former platoon leader, Sgt. William Doyley, recalls, "We killed anyone who walked. It didn't matter that they were civilians. They shouldn't have been there." Despite a four-year Army investigation that began in 1971 - the longest-running consequence of the war - of 30 charges of crimes against international law, including the 1949 Geneva Convention, not one was even indicted. The only one who has been punished is the sergeant who started the investigation after he reported the beheading of an infant. To this day, the U.S. refuses to declassify the thousands of reports that could explain what happened and why the case was closed.

1967 - When the Americans saw that an unwanted George Popandreous could win the Greek elections, they supported a military coup that plunged the country into terror for six years. They actively used torture and murder of political opponents of George Papadopoulos (who, incidentally, was a CIA agent and, before that, a fascist). In the first month of his rule, he executed 8,000 people. America confessed its support for this fascist regime only in 1999.

1968 - Bolivia. The hunt for the unit of the famous revolutionary Che Guevara. Americans wanted to take him alive, but Bolivian government was so afraid of international protest (Che Guevara became a cult figure while alive), that preferred to kill him as soon as possible.

1970 - Uruguay. American torture specialists train local democracy fighters to fight the anti-American opposition.

1971 - The bombing of Laos. More bombs were dropped on that country than on Nazi Germany. In early February. 1971 U.S. - Saigon troops (30 thousand men) supported by U.S. aircraft invaded South Laos from South Vietnam. Prince Sahounek, the popular ruler of the country, was removed and replaced by the US puppet Lol Nola who immediately sent his troops to Vietnam.

1971 - U.S. military aid in a coup in Bolivia. President Juan Torres was overthrown and replaced by dictator Hugo Banzer, who first sent 2,000 of his political opponents to an agonizing death.

1972 - Nicaragua. U.S. troops are brought in to support a government favored by Washington.

1973 - The CIA stages a coup in Chile to get rid of the pro-communist President Allende. The Chilean military, led by General Pinochet, carries out a coup d'état. The junta suspended the constitution, dissolved the national congress, and banned political parties and mass organizations. It unleashed a bloody terror (the junta killed 30,000 Chilean patriots; 2,500 went "missing").

1973 - War of Doomsday. Syria and Egypt against Israel. America helps Israel with weapons.

1973 - Uruguay. American military aid in a coup leading to total terror throughout the country.

1974 - Zaire. Military support is given to the government, the U.S. goal is to seize the country's natural resources.

1974 - Portugal. Financial support is given to pro-American forces in elections to prevent decolonization of the country, which had been ruled for 48 years by a fascist regime loyal to the United States. Large-scale NATO exercises are conducted off the coast of Portugal to intimidate opponents.

1974 - Cyprus. The Americans support a military coup to bring CIA agent Nicos Sampson to power. The coup failed, but the temporary chaos was taken advantage of by the Turks, who invaded Cyprus and still remain there.

1975 - Morocco occupies Western Sahara with U.S. military support despite international condemnation. Reward - America is allowed to set up military bases in the country.

1975 - Australia. Americans help to topple democratically elected Prime Minister Edward Whitlam.

1975 - Two-day attack on Cambodia.

1975 - The pro-Soviet government of Angola faces growing resistance from the Unita movement, which was supported by South Africa and U.S. intelligence agencies.

1975 - East Timor. Suharto's troops invaded the island with U.S. blessing and used American weapons in this aggression. By 1989, Indonesian troops seeking to forcibly annex Timor killed 200,000 of its 600,000-strong population.

1978 - Guatemala. Military and economic aid to the pro-American dictator Lucas García, who imposed one of that country's most repressive regimes. More than 20,000 civilians were exterminated with U.S. financial aid.

1979 - A series of military coups in the Seychelles, a small state off the East Coast of Africa. French, South African and U.S. intelligence agencies were involved in preparing coups and mercenary incursions.

1979 - Yemen. America provides military aid to the rebels to please Saudi Arabia.

1979 - 1989 funding for military conflict in Afghanistan.

1980s military death squads trained and paid for by the US operate in Honduras. The number of victims killed in that country was in the tens of thousands. Many officers of those death squads were trained in the United States.

1980 - Military aid to Iraq to destabilize the new anti-American Iranian regime. The war lasts 10 years, the death toll is estimated at one million. At the same time, America smuggles weapons to Iran through Israel in hopes of staging a pro-American coup.

1993 - Russia. Americans help Yeltsin shoot several hundred people during the storming of the Supreme Soviet.

1993 - 1995 - Bosnia. Civil war patrols in no-fly zones; planes shot down, Serbs bombed.

1994 - 1996 - Iraq. Attempted to bring down Hussein by destabilizing the country. Bombings did not stop for a single day, people died of starvation and disease due to the sanctions, bombings in public places were continuously organized, the Americans used terrorist organization called the Iraqi National Congress (INA).

1994 - 1996 - Haiti. Blockade against military government; troops restore President Aristide to office 3 years after coup.

1994 - Rwanda. Led by CIA agent Jonas Savimbi, some 800,000 people were massacred in the country!!!

1994 - Russia. First, second Chechen campaigns. Dudayev's fighters were trained in CIA training camps in Pakistan and Turkey. Khattab, Bin Laden, Chitigov and many others were trained in the US.

1995 - Mexico. The U.S. government funds a campaign against the Zapatistas. Under the guise of "fighting drugs" there is a fight for territories that are attractive to American companies. Helicopters with machine guns, rockets and bombs are used to destroy the locals.

1995 - Croatia. Bombing of Serbian Krajina airfields before the Croatian offensive.

1996 - On July 17, 1996, TWA Flight 800 exploded in the evening sky near Long Island and crashed into the Atlantic Ocean - all 230 people on board were killed-125 of whom were U.S. citizens. There is strong evidence that the Boeing was shot down by a U.S. missile. The motivation for this attack has not been established; among the main versions are a mistake during the exercises or elimination of an undesirable person on board the plane.

1996 - Congo. The U.S. Department of Defense was secretly involved in wars in the Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC). Washington's covert operations in the DRC also involved U.S. companies, one of which was associated with former U.S. President George H.W. Bush Sr. Their role is due to economic interests in mining in the DRC.

1997 - Americans carried out a series of bombings of Cuban hotels.

1998 - Sudan. Americans destroy a pharmaceutical plant with a missile strike, claiming it produces nerve gas. Since the plant produced 90% of the country's medicines and the Americans, of course, banned the importation of medicines from abroad, the missile strike resulted in the deaths of tens of thousands of people. There was no cure for them.

1999 - The United States, ignoring the norms of international law and bypassing the UN and the Security Council, launched a campaign of 78-day aerial bombardment by U.S. forces against the sovereign nation of Yugoslavia. The aggression against Yugoslavia, conducted under the guise of "preventing a humanitarian disaster," caused the largest humanitarian disaster in Europe since World War II. In 32,000 combat sorties, bombs totaling 21,000 tons were used, equivalent to four times the power of the atomic bomb dropped by the Americans on Hiroshima. According to official figures alone, more than 2,000 civilians were killed, 6,000 were wounded and mutilated, more than a million were left homeless and 2 million were left without any source of income. The direct economic losses are estimated at about 600 billion dollars. The ecological environment of Yugoslavia and Europe as a whole has been harmed in a devastating and lasting way. From the testimony gathered by the International Tribunal for the Investigation of American War Crimes in Yugoslavia, chaired by former U.S. Attorney General Ramsey Clark, it is clear that the CIA created, fully armed and financed the Albanian terrorist gangs (the so-called Kosovo Liberation Army, KLA) in Yugoslavia. In order to finance the AOC gangs, the CIA has established a well-organized criminal structure of drug trafficking in Europe. Before the bombing of Serbia, the Yugoslav government gave NATO a map of targets not to be bombed because it would cause an environmental disaster. The Americans, with their nation's inherent cynicism, began bombing precisely those facilities that were indicated on the Serbian map. For example, they bombed the Pančevo Oil Refinery six times. As a result, 1200 tons of vinyl chloride monomer, 3,000 tons of sodium hydroxide, 800 tons of hydrochloric acids, 2,350 tons of liquid ammonia and 8 tons of mercury found their way into the environment along with the poisonous gas phosgene. All of this went into the ground. The soil is poisoned. The ground water, especially in Novi Sad, contains mercury. As a result of NATO's use of uranium-core bombs, diseases of so-called "Gulf syndrome" began, and freak babies are born. Western environmentalists, especially Greenpeace, remain completely silent about the atrocious crimes of the US military in Serbia.

2000 - a coup in Belgrade. The Americans finally overthrew the hated Milosevic.

2001 - the invasion of Afghanistan. Typical American program: torture, prohibited weapons, massacre of civilians, assurances of rapid reconstruction of the country, use of depleted uranium and, finally, the "proof" that Osama bin Laden was involved in the September 11, 2001 attacks, based on a dubious video with indecipherable sound and a person totally un-looking like bin Laden.

2001 - Americans are chasing Albanian terrorists from the Kosovo Liberation Army, who were trained and armed by the Americans themselves to fight the Serbs, all over Macedonia.

2002 - Venezuela, pro-American coup, opposition illegally ousts popular President Hugo Chavez.

2003 - Philippines, U.S. military operation "Enduring Freedom," whose official goal is said to be the fight against international terrorism. The ongoing bloody conflict with Muslim and Communist insurgents in the southern Philippines for nearly forty years has already claimed the lives of more than 150 thousand people.

2003 - Iraq War. A military conflict that began with U.S. and allied forces invading Iraq to overthrow Saddam Hussein's regime. The first operation was codenamed "Iraqi Freedom". Forty-eight countries participated in the coalition against this small country that fought hard for its sovereignty and the life of its people. According to incomplete calculations of the Iraq Body Count project, as of December 2011, 162000 people were killed in Iraq, of which approximately 79 percent were civilians. In the fall of 2010, WikiLeaks published some 400,000 documents related to the Iraq war. According to these, Iraqi civilian casualties during the war amounted to about 66,000 people, while the militants lost about 24,000. A terrible consequence of the Iraqi war was the increase in the number of Iraqi children with birth defects. According to other sources, Iraqi casualties run into the millions.

2003 - Coup in Georgia. The help to Georgian opposition was rendered through Richard Miles, the US ambassador in Tbilisi.

2004 - An attempted coup in Equatorial Guinea, where there are solid oil reserves. British intelligence MI6, the U.S. CIA and the Spanish Secret Service attempted to bring 70 mercenaries into the country to overthrow the regime of President Theodore Obisango Nguema Mbasogo with the support of local traitors. The mercenaries were detained and their leader, Mark Thatcher (incidentally, the son of Margaret Thatcher) found asylum in the United States.

2004 - pro-American counterrevolution in Ukraine.

2011 - Libya. Series of armed conflicts in the struggle for political power in Libya. Attack on Libya - a military operation by NATO aggressor countries (USA, UK, France, Italy and Canada) against the government of Libya, and Jamahiriya leader M. Gaddafi, which began on March 19, 2011. Spain, the UAE, Qatar and Turkey have also announced their intention to take part in it to some extent.

2013-Syria. The military conflict in Syria has been organized by the United States. Anti-government fighters were supported logistically by the US, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Turkey and some other countries, the government of Syria was supported by Iran, Russia, DPRK and Venezuela.

2013-Egypt. Military coup in Egypt. U.S. foreign policy was actively involved in the Arab Spring, and the sudden change of power in Cairo was not without the assistance of American "peace doves".

2014- Ukraine. Pro-American coup d'état in Ukraine.

2014-2015 - Armed conflict in Yemen - civil war, between the Husits (Shiite rebels) on one side and government troops on the other. U.S. authorities decided on a counter-terrorist operation against al-Qaeda in Yemen.

Maybe I missed something.
I apologize for so much text, but it's not my fault that the U.S. is so "democratic and kind.

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pierro wrote:
Mon May 02, 2022 8:15 am
Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov attacked Ukraine and its president Volodymyr Zelensky on Sunday during an interview in Italy, claiming that "the fact that he is a Jew does not negate the Nazi elements in his country. I believe that Adolf Hitler also had Jewish blood."
In an interview with an Italian news program on Sunday, Lavrov said of Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky that “the fact that he is a Jew does not negate the Nazi elements in his country.”

“I believe that Adolf Hitler also had Jewish blood,” Lavrov said.


Can you imagine such idiot makes important decisions in the country?
You're the idiot! Because, first of all, you tear phrases out of the text, and secondly, you don't understand their meaning.

Lavrov said that Zelensky was Jewish means absolutely nothing. Perhaps Hitler had Jewish blood too. Wise Jewish people say that the most rabid anti-Semites tend to be Jews. "There's a lot of ugly in the family," as they say in Russia.
Personally, this Jew, Zelensky, betrayed his ancestors long ago and mocked their memory. All Jews in Russia have already disowned Zelensky.
There are traitors in every nation - a disgrace to the nation. So Zelensky is just of this category.

Here is the "hot news" from May 2.
Zelensky told the Greek ERT television that he is grateful to the Azov Nazi regiment.
Only the lazy and engaged in the world have not yet recognized members of the Azov Regiment as Nazis.

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Sure, I'm an idiot. Tnx God other world not

"The Russian ambassador to Israel was summoned to the Israeli Foreign Ministry after Lavrov's anti-Semitic statement that "there was Jewish blood in Hitler" and thereby tried to hint that Jews killed themselves during the Holocaust."
It is not the first time for him - every day he says that it is the Ukrainians who are bombing the Ukrainians.

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pierro wrote:
Mon May 02, 2022 8:48 am
Sure, I'm an idiot. Tnx God other world not

"The Russian ambassador to Israel was summoned to the Israeli Foreign Ministry after Lavrov's anti-Semitic statement that "there was Jewish blood in Hitler" and thereby tried to hint that Jews killed themselves during the Holocaust."
It is not the first time for him - every day he says that it is the Ukrainians who are bombing the Ukrainians.
Personally, I don't care about that.
Israel also wants to sit on two chairs. On the one hand they do not want to offend their patron (the U.S.) and absolutely "ignore" the obvious Nazi manifestations in Ukraine, on the other hand they take offense when this is pointed out to them.
As I have said before, I personally am an even more radical and rigid person on these issues. It sometimes irritates me that the Russian diplomacy, and the president too, abide by this "diplomatic politeness", and are too polite, when everyone in the world has already spit on this and how only Russia and its leaders have not been called.
That's why I will be even harsher in my remarks, you do not have to agree with me, it's your right.
For this reason, my opinion, Lavrov is absolutely right. Stop being soft on those who constantly fail to watch their language with regard to Russia.

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After "Gayrope" now this. They just can't hold hate anymore
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Honestly all I see here make me think it's a reflection of the world where we live !!!

What ever I try set up in the direction of peace the people here can't do nothing else than fight ...

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En fait, on peut toujours critiquer la Russie de tous les maux pourquoi pas, mais la réalité c'est que si la Russie est en Ukraine c'est, encore et toujours, à cause des Usa qui d'une manière ou d'une autre foutent la merde partout où ils essaient d'imposer leur impérialisme...
Les débats sur ce forum sont à l'image de notre monde, il y a des faits incontestables qui provoquent la mauvaise foi évidente de certains. Poutine se bat depuis au moins 8 ans pour faire entendre aux européens et à leurs alliés l'infamie du donbass et au lieu de çà on le prend pour un con, et pendant tout ce temps de la patience russe, des civils ukrainiens russophones se font tués par leur propre gouvernement, et çà ne choque personne du coté des grandes "démocraties occidentales".

C'est comme un tsunami, le temps que la vague qui dévaste tout sur son passage arrive sur la terre ferme, il se passe du temps, mais quand elle arrive il est trop tard pour sauver sa peau... et pendant tout ce temps, des gens auront continué de défendre des idées et des politiques qui les auront mené au désastre; quand ils comprendront qu'ils auront été mené par le bout du nez, le tsunami sera sur eux

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