PIERRE WOODMAN wrote: ↑

Sun Feb 27, 2022 3:45 am

Ukrain should be like finland and peace will have never been broken ...

PW

PIERRE WOODMAN wrote: ↑

Sun Feb 27, 2022 3:45 am

I think the people don't really realise what is the truth on behind all this ...

If Putin really wanted take Ukrain, he will have set it up in one or two days as he did in Crimea.

It's not with 200 000 man you take the control of 600 000 Km2 country with 40 million people. He has nearly 2000 planes and could make this country in fire in 2 minutes if he wants without much efforts.

PIERRE WOODMAN wrote: ↑

Sun Feb 27, 2022 3:45 am

I think this article will have never been out if Putin himself did not want the UKR people feel he doesn't want any civil to die.

PIERRE WOODMAN wrote: ↑

Sun Feb 27, 2022 3:45 am

It will be good sometime people learn from history and see until may 2013 there wasn't any problem between Russia and Ukrain but the day they started to say they will try enter European community and also let Nato have some bases in the country it was clear the big bear will never accept it.
Ukrain should be like finland and peace will have never been broken ...

Eintracht wrote: ↑

Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:08 am

I think it is quite irritating that you basically state a quite cynical "Its their own fault" and still did not write one sentence of compassion for the Ukraine people.

PIERRE WOODMAN wrote: ↑

Thu Feb 24, 2022 6:48 pm

He wanted tale the Crimea and Dombass because a lot of Russian was there but I seriously don't think he will have send bomb on Ukrain if there was not this stupid game of EU and USA trying to implant Nato in Ukrain ...

PW

PIERRE WOODMAN wrote: ↑

Sun Feb 27, 2022 3:45 am

I think the people don't really realise what is the truth on behind all this ...

If Putin really wanted take Ukrain, he will have set it up in one or two days as he did in Crimea.

It's not with 200 000 man you take the control of 600 000 Km2 country with 40 million people. He has nearly 2000 planes and could make this country in fire in 2 minutes if he wants without much efforts.

But yesterday nearly nobody has pay attention about this :

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The Russian opposition newspaper refuses to "consider Ukraine as an enemy and the Ukrainian language as the language of an enemy."
The symbol is extremely strong. The day after the start of the invasion of Ukraine by the Russian army, which continues this Friday with fighting in several cities of the country including Kiev, its capital, the Russian newspaper Novaya Gazeta takes a clear position against the conflict.

"RUSSIA. BOMBARDED. UKRAINE", can we read on its front page, the illustration of which is a simple black background. Below, two texts coexist under this shocking title, one in Russian, the other in Ukrainian.


I think this article will have never been out if Putin himself did not want the UKR people feel he doesn't want any civil to die.

It will be good sometime people learn from history and see until may 2013 there wasn't any problem between Russia and Ukrain but the day they started to say they will try enter European community and also let Nato have some bases in the country it was clear the big bear will never accept it.
Ukrain should be like finland and peace will have never been broken ...

PW

The United States of America, the Russian Federation, and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland,

Welcoming the accession of Ukraine to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons as non-nuclear-weapon State,

Taking into account the commitment of Ukraine to eliminate all nuclear weapons from its territory within a specified period of time,

Noting the changes in the world-wide security situation, including the end of the Cold War, which have brought about conditions for deep reductions in nuclear forces.

Confirm the following:

1. The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm their commitment to Ukraine, in accordance with the principles of the Final Act of the Conference on Security and Cooperation in Europe, to respect the independence and sovereignty and the existing borders of Ukraine.

2. The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm their obligation to refrain from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of Ukraine, and that none of their weapons will ever be used against Ukraine except in self-defence or otherwise in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations.

3. The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm their commitment to Ukraine, in accordance with the principles of the Final Act of the Conference on Security and Cooperation in Europe, to refrain from economic coercion designed to subordinate to their own interest the exercise by Ukraine of the rights inherent in its sovereignty and thus to secure advantages of any kind.

4. The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm their commitment to seek immediate United Nations Security Council action to provide assistance to Ukraine, as a non-nuclear-weapon State party to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, if Ukraine should become a victim of an act of aggression or an object of a threat of aggression in which nuclear weapons are used.

5. The Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America reaffirm, in the case of Ukraine, their commitment not to use nuclear weapons against any non-nuclear-weapon State party to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, except in the case of an attack on themselves, their territories or dependent territories, their armed forces, or their allies, by such a State in association or alliance with a nuclear-weapon State.

6. Ukraine, the Russian Federation, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the United States of America will consult in the event a situation arises that raises a question concerning these commitments.

it seems Pierre only likes to fuck Ukrainians and see them get fucked be it by his buddies or Russians. Not sure why but I expected more from him

Pierre is unfortunately in love with Orban's Hungary

Eintracht wrote: ↑

Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:08 am

- First Ukraine itself is a big country you don´t take in two days like the small area of Crimea. Also the Ukraine now is much better prepared than it was a few years ago.
- Also you statement is wrong that Crimea was captured in two days. It was exactly 11 days that they needed for that.
- Second in an attacking conflict you never put you whole forces into an attack but only the amount you expect to need to reach a certain goal (e.g. the capturing of Kiev).
- The Putin has not 2.000 planes at all. The state of the russian airforce is not as it was during the cold war. of the 2.000 planes probably 30-40 Percent are in a non flyable condition.
--> So your conclusion is not feasible.

Какую же чушь ты несешь? Для недалеких псевдоэкспертов повторяю. Российская армия не применяет авиацию и тяжелую артилерию по городам и населенным пунктам Украины. Там такие же русские люди находятся, спрятавшиеся в своих домах, взятые в заложники нацистами. Можешь ты понять своей башкой, что такое боевые действия в городских условиях, когда столько условностей? Российские военнослужащие вынуждены фактически выбивать трусливых нацистов из подвалов, спрятавшихся за спинами простых русских людей. Про Крым не ври, он был взят за 2 дня. Пьер тут прав. Причем без жерт с обоих сторон. 90 % украинской армии, находившейся в то время в Крыму, перешли на сторону России, и в настоящий момент благополучно служат в Российской Армии. Остальные 10 % беспрепятственно вернулись на Украину.

What nonsense are you spouting? For narrow-minded pseudo-experts, I repeat. The Russian army does not use aviation and heavy artillery in the cities and towns of Ukraine. There are the same Russian people, hiding in their homes, taken hostage by the Nazis. Can you understand with your head what fighting is in urban conditions, when there are so many conventions? Russian military personnel are forced to actually knock out the cowardly Nazis from the basements, hiding behind the backs of ordinary Russian people. Don't lie about Crimea, it was taken in 2 days. Pierre is right here. And without zherts on both sides. 90% of the Ukrainian army, which was at that time in the Crimea, went over to the side of Russia, and at the moment they are safely serving in the Russian Army. The remaining 10% freely returned to Ukraine.

Про российскую военную технику тоже ложь, либо крайне устаревшая информация из 90-х годов. Российская Армия в Сирии все всем доказала. Если так все плохо как ты говоришь, что же НАТО не пошлет в Украину свои войска? Они же понимают, что Путин не начнет ядерную войну из-за этого. Но они все равно бояться. Если бы не боялись и Российская Армия была бы так плоха, то их бы не остановило то, что Украина не член НАТО. Российская Армия сейчас одна из лучших в мире, а по некоторым показателям лучшая, это признают даже главные конкуренты. В первый же день спецоперации на Украине были уничтожены гиперзвуковыми высокоточными ракетами "Калибр" все системы противовоздушной обороны и штабы армии Украины. Таких ракет нет ни у одной армии в мире. Так что хватит нагло лгать.

There is no logical connection in your statement at all.
First you say an opposition newspaper would not have written this article if it wasn't Putins opinion? With that you state that Putin is a dictator whom even opposition newspaper do not want to interfere with ... that makes no sense at all. Writing an article like that is the JOB of opposition newspapers. Thats why they are opposition. If the official propaganda channels like RT or else would communicate like this you would be right, but they are in full-on war mode.
--> Also no feasible conclusion

К моему великому сожаленью в России действительно много СМИ, откровенно ведущих вражескую пропаганду против своей же страну. Вот такая вот свобода слова в России, в отличии от Европы, где уже давно закрыты все Российские СМИ, а опозиционных просто нет. Поверьте, такое положение всех этих лживых СМИ очень раздражает большинство россиян. Это один из моих вопросов Путину, зачем допускать все это.

To my great regret, there are indeed a lot of media in Russia that openly conduct enemy propaganda against their own country. Here is such a freedom of speech in Russia, unlike in Europe, where all Russian media have long been closed, and there are simply no opposition media. Believe me, this situation of all these false media is very annoying for most Russians. This is one of my questions to Putin, why allow all this.

This part is also wrong.
First Ukraine has a long history in which Russia tried to install Russian friendly president that goes far beyond 2013. Russia-friendly presidents like Kuchma and Yanukovich were heavily supported, Russia critical presidents like Yuschenko wer ... well he was poisoned, remember? Guess by whom ....
The history of Russian involvement has been long, and exactly this involvement has led that the people of Ukraine wanted to become a second Belorus so the society oriented more to the west.

Тоже ложь. Видно, что историю ты знаешь из бульварных листков или современных учебников Украины. Если бы ты реально знал историю и пользовался архивной документацией, а не желтой прессой, ты бы знал, что история Украины, как самостоятельного государства, начинается с 1991 года. Ранее это была Киевская Русь, то есть русские люди жили там, далее Российская Империя, далее Советский Союз. Название "Украина", придумал В.И. Ленин, создал Украинскую Советскую Республику и наделил им исконно русские земли. Ранее эта территория в составе Российской Империи, называлась "Окраина", потому что находилась на краю империи, и включала территории: Малороссия, Крым, Украинская Народная Республика. Галицию позже присоединил Сталин после Второй мировой Войны. Это на протяжении тысячи лет были исконно русские земли. По этому снова врешь и вводишь людей в заблуждение.

Also a lie. It can be seen that you know the history from the tabloids or modern textbooks of Ukraine. If you really knew the history and used archival documentation, and not the yellow press, you would know that the history of Ukraine, as an independent state, begins in 1991. Previously, it was Kievan Rus, that is, Russian people lived there, then the Russian Empire, then the Soviet Union. The name "Ukraine" was invented by V.I. Lenin, created the Ukrainian Soviet Republic and endowed it with the original Russian lands. Previously, this territory as part of the Russian Empire was called "Outskirts", because it was on the edge of the empire, and included the territories: Little Russia, Crimea, the Ukrainian People's Republic. Galicia was later annexed by Stalin after World War II. For a thousand years, these were primordially Russian lands. That's why you lie again and mislead people.

I think it is quite irritating that you basically state a quite cynical "Its their own fault" and still did not write one sentence of compassion for the Ukraine people.

Пьер, не обращайте внимание на эту ложь и энсинуации. Если здесь было бы больше российский пользователей, то меня бы более активно поддержали и Вашу точку зрения. Но, к сожаленью, в России сайт заблокирован. Не слушайте эту чушь, просто им завидно, что Россия суверенно отстаивает свои интересы, а они засунув язык в задницу, могут только лизать это самое место заокеанскому хозяину.

Pierre, pay no attention to these lies and denunciations. If there were more Russian users here, then I would be more actively supported by your point of view. But, unfortunately, in Russia the site is blocked. Do not listen to this nonsense, they are simply envious that Russia is sovereignly defending its interests, and having stuck their tongue in their ass, they can only lick this very place to the overseas owner.