Apparently I have to defend American girls again. I don't think it is impossible to have a normal conversation with them.
As we all know, the US is a very diverse country with almost 10 million km² and with 310 million people now. Because of the huge diversity and the multiethnic heritage of its residents you can't characterize them as easily as the inhabitants of other countries.
To mention the "stupidity" of American girls is just plain prejudicating. You could emphasize the brainwashing effects of the media there (people in the US are more susceptible to believe anything, even if it's something very unlikely), but hey it's everywhere. They aren't more stupid than the girls of any other country, maybe their knowledge is more - lets say - focused and practical.
About language - just visit Great Britain (also becoming a multiethnic country), and you'll quicky find out that English language is actually dying - in the very place it's originating from.

And as a side note about Megan Fox - she couldn't be paid to get into porn.

toi wrote:Here is a comment of an expert supporting my point of view:

Alena Heitlinger, Professor of Sociology from Trent University, Canada who is doing research on women in Central Europe, came to the conclusion, which I strongly support, that woman's role in the society traditionally was quite strong. "Far from regarding men as strong and powerful, many Czech women see them as "wimps". As Hauserova, a Czech feminist (n.d., 2) wrote, that Czech women "really rule families. Exclusively women educate boys at least to the age of 14 or 15, so they are used to authoritative females, and as partners they incline to be submissive. Czechoslovak men are not 'macho' at all, they are gentle, indecisive, passive, and sometimes sort of apathetic."

...women in post Communist countries did not reject sexual harassment so sensitively, they were quite happy to hear that they look pretty even if sometimes the way, how it was expressed would be considered as not "politically correct."

Alena Heitlinger concludes "They regard themselves as strong women rather than victims; assign highly positive meaning to motherhood and the family, and reject feminism's anti-male bias."

See the problem is still that you are trying to mention eastern-European women as a whole and forgetting about the many very different nations that exist here. You can't summarize them like this.
I see that this Canadian sociologist specializes on Czech women (sure there's mentioning of central Europe and Czechoslovakia - which doesn't exist anymore - but otherwise she only speaks about Czechs) and no one else.

From this how could we come to conclusion regarding this to all eastern European women? What about Polish, Estonian, Lithuanian, Latvian, Hungarian, Ukrainian, Russian, Romanian, Serbian, Croatian, Slovenian, Albanian, etc. women?
Do you really wish to put them in the same cathegory according to an article of a Canadian sociologist and her 6-10 member focus group, regarding their behaviour and the way they think?

Actually back to this case - to the fact that "women rule families". You know, it might be true. It's probably also true in a few other countries as well. Problem is: it's not an eastern European speciality by all means, in many western countries it's the woman/wife who "wears the trousers".
When I mentioned Russia (where women are definitely not dominant, but inferior and treated as objects - this started the whole arguement) - I was talking about a unique case that is a very typical Russian peculiarity.

I hope you can see my point now.

I'm not saying that it is forbidden to use the term "eastern-European" regarding concepts such as: post-communism, corruption (effect of the communist-era), beautiful (and cheap) women, low-wages, outstanding examples of architecture and fine arts etc.
But in order to describe the way of thinking and such aforementioned attributes and attitudes of the members' of these nations - you can't just think of them as a whole.

Hi alls;

about girls from east europe, it is true that they still have a very pleasant old fashion mind, and are always happy when a man is interested by her (often not the case of the french girls....)

moreover, you must know something, as beautiful they are, russians doesn't have enought men !!!
during the 2nd world war, 12 million of russia died (mainly men);
then with the stalin epuration, many men went, and died in goulag, instead of making babies
then there was the afganistan war, for 9 nine years, where a lot of young guys died

then with the perestroika, a lot of men collapsed in alcohol

then there was a war with tchechenia with a lot of dying young men, and it is not finished in few regions..

so the result is that russia miss men.

if you want to check, visit http://www.mypartnerforever.com , with beautiful women, very very far of the meetic girls !!!!

Very interresting !

PW

I totally agree with parislc, another very important thing to mention is thank to this and obvious demographical changes such as the one happening in Western Europa (and the same applies to Ukraine), the country is dying and becoming less populated.

My rebuttal to Atisz, true I did a mistake by generalizing when I was truly meaning Central Europe and concretely former Czechoslovakia. However, you are still wrong with American Girls. There are smart and capable young women but American society educates them to act stupid to succeed regardless if they have a PhD or are dropouts from high school, as if they would have bigger chances of marrying up with a wealthy man if they act dumber than him.
Another important thing to mention is that American society is very centric. They as a whole (besides the elite of course) do not care about what is happening or happened elsewhere. For them there is only US and nothing more, so when foreigners mention that they cannot talk with an American girl and that they are stupid, often they are meaning that there is no common subject of conversation besides boulevard press news.

Just as anecdotic evidence I will tell you something, I have regular contact with young freshmen and university sophomores and senior high schoolers at prestigious US universities (you name it, Stanford, Berkeley, Columbia) what is supposed to be the intellectual creme de la creme of the US. On the other hand I also stay in touch with young Europeans from both Western and Central Europe. This year I was at different campuses in the US, Slovakia, Germany, Israel, Norway and Czech Republic. As you can see I am not a native speaker but I could stroke better conversations with random people at the European campuses than at the American ones. You can talk with them about everything, from banal topics to more complicated ones. On the other hand, I just spent a month in the US and I always had to dumb down my conversation and talk mostly about news from US weekly or about sports.

Conclusion, if you have two girls with the same socioeconomic background, one from the US and the other from Central Europe. The Central European female will be probably more rewarding and intellectually challenging than her American counterpart (Canada is different, by the way!).

Thank you, Toi. The problem with American girls is that they know nothing about anything. They have no interests. How can you hope to start a conversation with someone who knows nothing and cares about very little. A challenge: ask an American girl, "What are you interested in?" Prepare for silence or some of the most ludicrous answers.

And Atisz, I am sorry, but you are wrong. You absolutely can generalize about American women. Ethnicity matters little. A Chinese-American, an Indian-American, and a good old-fashioned white American will often behave similarly. Sure, some first-generation kids (particularly Asians) will retain laudable traits from their parents' homelands (family influence), but just as many--probably more--will become completely Americanized--i.e., corrupted. Spend an afternoon in the nicer parts of the Westside of LA or the East Village if you don't believe me. By the time you move beyond the first generation, the children are hopelessly Americanized.

Unfortunately, I can speak with some authority on this. I grew up in America and know these traits all too well. Toi is completely right in his compares European girls to American girls. American girls cannot speak about much except their friends and perhaps celebrity and tabloid bullshit (cesky "bulvar" = anglicky "tabloid")--even the ones at the best universities in the U.S. I attended university in both the U.S. (a top-ranked university) and in Europe (an OK-to-good university). Although the American university had much better faculty and better teaching programs, the students at the European university were extraordinarily smarter than their American counterparts in every way: knowledge of facts, ability to debate, breadth of knowledge (they were much more pleasant too). And the gulf between the intellectual curiosity of the American students and European students was wider than the asshole of one of PW's catches post-anal induction!

Or to put it another way: Despite its misleading name, drive straight past this exit. No sweet-faced, lubricated-assholed beauties await--only zombified solipsists. Keep driving north until you get to Canada!

and I see you!

Yes this is a place I know well on the 101 !!! When I was first time in L-A I ask someone to shoot a picture of me when I climbed and stay suspended on it. Lucky no one cops saw me !!!

PW

Mr. Woodman, I want to begin by letting you know I think you are an incredibly sexy man, definitely my favorite.

I am an American girl/woman. My opinion of what is wrong with us is quite simple. We don't know how to completely think on our own due to constant conflicting ideas being shoved into our heads. The media is nauseating. It is filled with women insulting and belittling men, yet there is nothing that will end a relationship faster. We don't know what we want, and when we do figure that out, we don't know how to get it. Too many people with too many opinions all acting as experts. We have no idea how to respect a man and ourselves at the same time... and most of us place more value in our acquired possessions than we do our day to day experiences.

There are definitely some who have their heads on straight, but not enough to change the our overall public image.

Il est vrai que beaucoup d'Etats Americains sont conservateurs.
Il n'empêche que c'est trés hypocrite sachant qu'ils sont les plus gros consommateurs de porno du monde.
Contrairement aux filles que Pierre rencontre, les americaines sont trés près de leur argent.
Ce qu'elles veulent avant tout c'est la gloire et l'argent . Nous sommes donc centrés sur un milieu qui est plus un showbusiness du porno .Pas d'argent, pas de vedettes du X et d'ailleurs elles ne s'en cachent pas !
Des filles comme Rachel Starr le disent haut et fort , pas de monnaie , pas d'anal !
Elles n'ont pas l'aspect naturel que veut montrer Pierre , elles le disent elles sont actrices , pour elle c'est une perf comme peut l'être jouer une pièce de théatre !
Une conception trés differente des Européennes que Pierre a sur son site !
Il est donc comprehensible qu'il y ait desaccord sur le point de vu et donc normal qu'il n' y ait pratiquement pas d'americaines ici !

eurocentrist wrote:No sweet-faced, lubricated-assholed beauties await--only zombified solipsists.

Absolutely hilarious!