In France he has got 2,3 millions of euros to paid for piracy of contents !!!
Well step by steps it move on the good direction ...

http://www.lemonde.fr/pixels/article/20 ... 08996.html

PW

Yesterday I stumbled onto something very interesting. Something that happens only about once in 10 years in America. A girl on a porn site willing to have sex for the first time with a man on camera. After the interview, the moderator explained how she had "lost her V card", and that then she made 5 more videos.
I won't mention the site's name, only her first (stage) name......Stella
So I Googled her full stage name, and found about 50 entries. All were the same, a 6 minute interview of her before she had sex. It was like a "Pierre" interview with just talking.
Of course the pirates had uploaded the video of her finally having sex about 30 times.
But this is what was so interesting. All were removed. The message said that Due to a complaint under the US Digital Millennium Copyright Act it was removed.
It worked. His copyrighted material was protected. You had to pay money at his site to get the video. So the pirates lost.
The downside is that it takes time and money for Pierre to make all those complaints. But it does work. At least in this one instance.

Curious George wrote: So I Googled her full stage name, and found about 50 entries.

But this is what was so interesting. All were removed. The message said that Due to a complaint under the US Digital Millennium Copyright Act it was removed.
It worked. His copyrighted material was protected. You had to pay money at his site to get the video. So the pirates lost.

Hahahahahaha...
Oh, Man, nobody search via Google if it comes to pirated things. It surprises me every time that people here have no clue about how these things works... (unfortunately also Pierre Woodman himself)

OK. We are all ignorant about some things. So please educate me. What do people use beside Google in searches. Is it a network of friends that trade emails. I am guessing probably not, because there is a limit to the size of the video that can be attached to an email.
I am very curious.
If a bank robber finds a new way to rob a bank, then the bank must find a new way to protect themselves.

Curious George wrote:So please educate me.

And how long do you think is this post here online?
If you need education, don't ask me, but it is hilarous, that you think pirated stuff goes via Google Search...

andi1950 wrote:

Curious George wrote:So please educate me.

And how long do you think is this post here online?
If you need education, don't ask me, but it is hilarous, that you think pirated stuff goes via Google Search...

We misunderstood each other. I was referring to a Google search of a name and getting hits from web sitestubes. Then the complaint is filed against them and the video has to be removed. I believe that the pirates are making money by uploading copies to these sites, and the sites make money with advertising.

Are you implying that there are other search methods that can find pirated videos?

Curious George wrote: I believe that the pirates are making money by uploading copies to these sites, and the sites make money with advertising.

Correct!

Curious George wrote: Are you implying that there are other search methods that can find pirated videos?

Yes... (and for sure not Google)

Yes, you are correct.
I started reading this topic when it started, then missed quite a few posts. I should have reread all the posts before I made my recent posts.

No problem, but you are also right... I think we have misunderstood each other... (sorry, no native english speaker here )

50 shades of grey

Specifically, MindGeek owns a large number of porn aggregator “tube sites” (so named because they mimic YouTube’s format) such as Pornhub, YouPorn, and Redtube, which serve up huge amounts of free porn funded by ads. According to porn-industry blogger Mike South, MindGeek now owns eight of the top 10 of these aggregator sites (the exceptions being xHamster and Xvideos). These sites, whether owned by MindGeek or not, notoriously host a lot of pirated content. While each individual tube site responds to Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) takedown requests, most porn producers do not have the resources of movie studios or record labels to monitor piracy; according to adult film star Siri, MindGeek’s sites “force copyright holders to jump through hoops to get our content removed.” South told me that consequently, production of porn films is down 75 percent from where it was eight years ago, and DVD sales down 50 percent in that time. The general sentiment is that the porn business crash around 2008 was due to the rise of widescale piracy on tube sites and torrents, an increase in amateur porn, and the Great Recession.

The decline has continued since then, driving down fees and causing performers to look elsewhere to make ends meet. When South started in the industry, “I could count performers I know who did prostitution on one hand. Now I can count the performers I know who don’t do it on one hand.” According to Salon, while performers working as escorts was rare and frowned upon in 2000, by the end of the decade it had become common. Adult performer Houston told Salon’s E. J. Dickson last year, “If you look at the escort sites, pretty much every porn star is on there.”

The crash in the porn business provided MindGeek with the opportunity to purchase high-profile porn content producers, including big names like Brazzers (in 2010) and Digital Playground (in 2012) at discounted rates, each of which themselves operate dozens of sites. Alongside names like Hustler and Vivid, MindGeek effectively came to control a huge amount of the mainstream “traditional” porn industry—the Hollywood-like production scene based in California’s San Fernando Valley, which has given us Jenna Jameson and Sasha Grey. As Adult Empire director of business development Colin Allerton told the Daily Dot, “every major studio and star is now partnered with MindGeek or has worked for a studio that MindGeek purchased.” Since then, industry workers have been in the difficult situation of seeing their work pirated on sites owned by the same company that pays them—imagine if Warner Brothers also owned the Pirate Bay. The way Siri puts it, it’s as though Walmart drove mom-and-pop stores out of business “and then to top it off, went into the mom-and-pop shops and literally stole all of their products to be resold at Walmart.” It’s a tough time to be a mom-and-pop porn shop.

Even content producers that MindGeek owns have trouble getting their movies off MindGeek’s tube sites. The result has been a vampiric ecosystem: MindGeek’s producers make porn films mostly for the sake of being uploaded on to MindGeek’s free tube sites, with lower returns for the producers but higher returns for MindGeek, which makes money off of the tube ads that does not go to anyone involved in the production side.

Porn industry workers do not have many options available. Actress Tasha Reign told ABC, “I kinda have to shoot for [MindGeek] because they own almost everything.” This total industry dominance has had the effect of silencing performers against criticizing Manwin; people like South and Siri, who have openly condemned MindGeek’s monopoly and power, are extremely rare. When asked, most refuse to talk about piracy, worrying that MindGeek will blacklist them. Since MindGeek-owned companies provide huge amounts of advertising to Adult Video News and other industry news sites, they wield a great deal of influence over trade publications and events as well.

MindGeek itself has something of a checkered past. In 2009, with the company still under founders Manos and Youssef, the Secret Service seized $6.4 million from bank accounts controlled by MindGeek, leading its assets to be sold to German tech investor Fabian Thylman, who changed the company name to Manwin. In April 2011, Manwin quietly secured a $362 million loan from Wall Street firm Colbeck Capital, founded by former Goldman Sachs employees Jason Colodne and Jason Beckman. (Goldman Sachs distanced themselves from the two.) Colbeck’s funds were in turn secured from other firms including the troubled Fortress Capital, masking the Manwin association. Having used the loan to continue to acquire tube sites and content producers, Thylman was then extradited from Belgium to Germany in 2012 for tax evasion on Manwin’s profits. In late 2013, Thylman was bought out by current CEO Ferras Antoon and COO David Tassillo, longtime players within the company, who now control operations from Montreal.

With its business orienting toward optimizing views and links on its tube sites, MindGeek has sought to expand into “cleaner” areas of Internet business and portray itself as your average high-energy startup. It is uncertain whether this strategy will work, since the facade remains fairly transparent. As one GlassDoor user wrote, “If you're interested in the ‘Content Formatter’ job, just be aware you're basically a glorified child porn screener, and you will be watching disgusting videos all day.”

Because of the taboo surrounding pornography, especially in America, no antitrust actions are going to be taken against MindGeek any time soon, nor has much attention been paid to the increasing bind that industry workers find themselves in as a single corporate behemoth gobbles up companies. With shrinking competition, de facto sanctioned piracy, and falling pay rates, industry blogger Lux Alptraum told Mademan’s Grant Stoddard that if MindGeek goes down, “it could take most of the porn industry with it.”

As content-provider companies like Netflix and Amazon move into the content-production business, MindGeek provides a glimpse of how the alignment of incentives can change. The distributor doesn’t necessarily need to make content that generates adequate money for the content producers, as long as it generates money somehow. None of these other companies will shift to the free ad-based model that MindGeek’s tube sites use, but a company like Netflix may end up in a position of far greater strength if it comes to control a primary means of distribution—especially if it’s one cheaper than cable—and movie studios and networks may end up having to cut deals with Netflix rather than the other way around. Right now content producers have tremendous influence with Netflix because Netflix needs their content, but should that balance of power change, Netflix will be in the position of power, which is why HBO and others are racing to get into the online streaming business.