If Russia win, losers would be the Ukrainians who would get colonised once again and oppressed by Russians, they would also lose their freedom, democracy and state of law.
Although I have been to Ukraine and i'm admiring the bravery of Ukrainian people, I'm not involved in this war so I won't lose anything. It is Russia against the poorest and weakest army of Europe.
As you can see In 2014 70% of Eastern Ukrainian were against separatism. Football fans of the biggest team in Donbass have always shown strong patriotism towards Ukraine
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And you really think that's any evidence??? 
You showed some pictures of a small bunch of soccer fans, it's unclear what year and from where. And you really think this is evidence that reflects the mood of the majority of people in Dombass? Well, that's just primitive.
The soccer team "Shakhtar" really used to be from Dombass even in the Soviet times, but it has long been no longer based in Donetsk, and has nothing to do with this city and region! Since 2014, this team moved first to Kiev and then to Lviv, where it is currently based. It is a commercial entity run by Ukrainian oligarch Akhmetov, and players from Dombass have not played in this team for a long time. You have shown some picture sown on an amateur camera, and you position it as proof of loyalty to global things. Well, this is complete primitivism, don't you realize that? It is equivalent to saying that Messi plays in Barcelona, so he hates Argentina. It's nonsense...
Next,
The Pew Research Center is an American non-governmental company engaged in research on social issues, public opinion, demographic trends in the United States and the world.
Not a single representative of this company has ever been in Dombassa and Crimea!!! How did they conduct these polls???
The company belongs to the enemy of Russia's policy.
And you really think I should believe this statistical crap? You sure are a naive person. All US media and social networks work under the control of US intelligence services and fulfill their orders. Watch an interview with the creator of the messenger Telegram, P. Durov, who tried to establish his business in the USA and everything will become clear to you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Ut6RouSs0w
Why are you sticking all this nonsense?
Remain in your opinion, help the Nazi political regime in Ukraine, to the last Ukrainian. No one forbids you. Why do you need to use this information garbage to justify your actions against Russia? You just become irrelevant and ridiculous, realize that.
When you personally go to Crimea and Dombass, and see everything with your own eyes, talk to people, then you will really be able to make some kind of judgment about it. And all this is information vomit from your side, nothing more.
And personally, I believe in elementary democratic tools, namely the vote of the people of Crimea, Zaporozhye, Kherson and Dombass and their choice to be with Russia. And their choice is unprecedented in terms of turnout and choice "FOR" And this is elementary logic, because Russian people live there, and the most important thing for people is to be with those who will protect them, and where they will live comfortably and safely for the future of their children! And I, unlike you, have been there personally and know a huge number of people who live there. And I believe them!!!
You showed some pictures of a small bunch of soccer fans, it's unclear what year and from where. And you really think this is evidence that reflects the mood of the majority of people in Dombass? Well, that's just primitive.
The soccer team "Shakhtar" really used to be from Dombass even in the Soviet times, but it has long been no longer based in Donetsk, and has nothing to do with this city and region! Since 2014, this team moved first to Kiev and then to Lviv, where it is currently based. It is a commercial entity run by Ukrainian oligarch Akhmetov, and players from Dombass have not played in this team for a long time. You have shown some picture sown on an amateur camera, and you position it as proof of loyalty to global things. Well, this is complete primitivism, don't you realize that? It is equivalent to saying that Messi plays in Barcelona, so he hates Argentina. It's nonsense...
Next,
The Pew Research Center is an American non-governmental company engaged in research on social issues, public opinion, demographic trends in the United States and the world.
Not a single representative of this company has ever been in Dombassa and Crimea!!! How did they conduct these polls???
The company belongs to the enemy of Russia's policy.
And you really think I should believe this statistical crap? You sure are a naive person. All US media and social networks work under the control of US intelligence services and fulfill their orders. Watch an interview with the creator of the messenger Telegram, P. Durov, who tried to establish his business in the USA and everything will become clear to you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Ut6RouSs0w
Why are you sticking all this nonsense?
Remain in your opinion, help the Nazi political regime in Ukraine, to the last Ukrainian. No one forbids you. Why do you need to use this information garbage to justify your actions against Russia? You just become irrelevant and ridiculous, realize that.
When you personally go to Crimea and Dombass, and see everything with your own eyes, talk to people, then you will really be able to make some kind of judgment about it. And all this is information vomit from your side, nothing more.
And personally, I believe in elementary democratic tools, namely the vote of the people of Crimea, Zaporozhye, Kherson and Dombass and their choice to be with Russia. And their choice is unprecedented in terms of turnout and choice "FOR" And this is elementary logic, because Russian people live there, and the most important thing for people is to be with those who will protect them, and where they will live comfortably and safely for the future of their children! And I, unlike you, have been there personally and know a huge number of people who live there. And I believe them!!!
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lol you are delusional if you believe the result of bogus referendums riddled with irregularities and carried out by an armed force
Pew Research Center is a reference for its non-partisan and independent studies. But here are the same resultats with other sources.
You will never find a Russian flag among any group of Donbas football supoorters. Donbass football fan groups were all particularly patriotic. This is an indication of the trends running through the popular classes of the population. Many Donbass ultras have been kidnapped and disappeared by the separatists.
You are obviously ignorant and know nothing about Ukraine and its people. Just a zombie believing all the propaganda of your gouvernment. It could be just pathetic if it wasn't at the expense of the ukrainian people that your country is martyrizing for spurious grounds.
The famous nazis run by a jewish president
The famous nazi who elected a new president at each new presidential election
Pew Research Center is a reference for its non-partisan and independent studies. But here are the same resultats with other sources.
You will never find a Russian flag among any group of Donbas football supoorters. Donbass football fan groups were all particularly patriotic. This is an indication of the trends running through the popular classes of the population. Many Donbass ultras have been kidnapped and disappeared by the separatists.
You are obviously ignorant and know nothing about Ukraine and its people. Just a zombie believing all the propaganda of your gouvernment. It could be just pathetic if it wasn't at the expense of the ukrainian people that your country is martyrizing for spurious grounds.
The famous nazis run by a jewish president
The famous nazi who elected a new president at each new presidential election
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action against Russia = let its neighbors be free and independent.
Bad luck, all of Russia's neighbors hate Russia, from Georgians to Ukrainians, we wonder why
Bad luck, all of Russia's neighbors hate Russia, from Georgians to Ukrainians, we wonder why
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I wonder where you get all this nonsense from.
Ukraine in 1991, when it left the USSR, was one of the richest countries in Europe in terms of GDP at PPP. It was the richest and most industrialized republic of the Soviet Union. The latter invested fabulous funds in Ukraine.
And what did they turn their country into during their independence?
They turned Ukraine into the most corrupt and poor country in Europe, with nationalistic sentiments.
Who "oppressed" it during that time? Who ever "oppressed" it when it was part of the Russian Empire or the Soviet Union?
Enough of this nonsense already!
Since the coup d'état in 2014, Ukraine has been under complete external control of the West. And what we have as a result. Genocide against its own people. The flourishing of radical nationalism. The elimination of all opposition forces and parties. Elimination of all opposition media. Investigation and murder of all dissenters; politicians, public figures and ordinary citizens. Colossal drain of population, and far, not only because of war. Even before the war, more than 3 million Ukrainian migrants worked in Russia, and even more worked in Europe and other countries.
Zelensky, canceled the Ukrainian presidential election. On May 20, 2024 he will be officially illegitimate President of Ukraine. Idiotic laws on legalization of cannabis are being passed to completely turn the population into Zombies, to distract them from pressing problems, and which are convenient to manage. Constant mobilizations of all segments of the population. Unprepared people are thrown into the trenches to be slaughtered for the interests of the West "to the last Ukrainian".
What the fuck kind of democracy or rule of law are you talking about?
Are you out of your mind?
Here are the economic indicators of Ukraine's GDP at PPP from the IMF.
This is far from true. Since the defeat of the Ukrainian Army by the Dombass militia in 2014, when the Minsk Agreements were concluded, Ukraine, instead of complying with them, began, with the help of the West, to build up its combat power. And by February 2022, the Ukrainian army was one of the most numerous and well-armed armies in Europe.
Further, more than 50 countries are helping the Ukrainian army; with money, weapons, ammunition, military instructors and mercenaries.
Further, more than 50 countries are helping the Ukrainian army; with money, arms, ammunition and mercenaries.
And if the losses of the Ukrainian army to date, according to the most modest and verified estimates, are much more than 500000 irretrievable losses (killed or seriously wounded, not ready to fight), then I, as a military analyst, tell you responsibly, that with such losses and holding the front, says that Ukraine had more than 1500000 and even more people under the gun.
As for foreign mercenaries, there is also verified data on their presence in Ukraine and their losses. More than 20000 mercenaries from different countries, the losses are more than 70%.
Therefore, if you do not know the correct information, it is better not to talk nonsense.
I don't believe you. Considering that you post videos in Russian, you are most likely a banal deserter who ran away from Ukraine, you fucking defender, to a place where your ass is warm and safe, and you stink from far away.
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Basically, I don't care about all the nonsense and lies you've written here. I already told you that "Strength is in the truth". And the one on whose side the truth will win; on the side of Russia, or the collective West and its puppet, the current Ukraine.
And I'll be here at that time, and poke you in your lying shit!
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Unlike you and your neighbors, Russia has never colonized any country and never oppressed any particular national or ethnic group. "Ukrainians colonised once again", The USSR, being the Union, implies that the countries get to join it of their own volition, meaning that the Republic of Ukraine chose to join it at the time. So do a bit of an "actual" research before posting some nonsense and come to Russia and see how people live there. Or if you're too lazy, there're quite a few channels about life of foreigners in Russia:
https://www.youtube.com/@countrysideacreshomestead2008
https://www.youtube.com/@AfroRussiaTv (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbpQ2TCgENg)
https://www.youtube.com/@homeinrussia
https://www.youtube.com/@Wild-Siberia/videos
https://www.youtube.com/@Charlesenrussie (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6OvuTksbQU)
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Russia has always made it clear they'll never let they won't accept Russia near its borders. Gorbachev was promised that NATO wouldn't expand, and here's what we have:
Did you really expect any other action from Russia? Russia has made it clear they won't like it if Ukraine or Georgia is in NATO. You reap what you sow
P.S.: press the picture to see the expansion
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Gorbachev was promised that NATO wouldn't expand
that is a blatant lie, the reason nato expands is the nazi russian state
that is a blatant lie, the reason nato expands is the nazi russian state
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Who oppressed who? Russian when they starved 3 millions ukrainians to death, when they massacred all the ukrainians fighting for the independence? even the nazi were shocked by what they found.MVitaly5 wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2024 6:22 pmI wonder where you get all this nonsense from.
Ukraine in 1991, when it left the USSR, was one of the richest countries in Europe in terms of GDP at PPP. It was the richest and most industrialized republic of the Soviet Union. The latter invested fabulous funds in Ukraine.
And what did they turn their country into during their independence?
They turned Ukraine into the most corrupt and poor country in Europe, with nationalistic sentiments.
Who "oppressed" it during that time? Who ever "oppressed" it when it was part of the Russian Empire or the Soviet Union?
Enough of this nonsense already!
Since the coup d'état in 2014, Ukraine has been under complete external control of the West. And what we have as a result. Genocide against its own people. The flourishing of radical nationalism. The elimination of all opposition forces and parties. Elimination of all opposition media. Investigation and murder of all dissenters; politicians, public figures and ordinary citizens. Colossal drain of population, and far, not only because of war. Even before the war, more than 3 million Ukrainian migrants worked in Russia, and even more worked in Europe and other countries.
Zelensky, canceled the Ukrainian presidential election. On May 20, 2024 he will be officially illegitimate President of Ukraine. Idiotic laws on legalization of cannabis are being passed to completely turn the population into Zombies, to distract them from pressing problems, and which are convenient to manage. Constant mobilizations of all segments of the population. Unprepared people are thrown into the trenches to be slaughtered for the interests of the West "to the last Ukrainian".
What the fuck kind of democracy or rule of law are you talking about?
Are you out of your mind?
Here are the economic indicators of Ukraine's GDP at PPP from the IMF.
This is far from true. Since the defeat of the Ukrainian Army by the Dombass militia in 2014, when the Minsk Agreements were concluded, Ukraine, instead of complying with them, began, with the help of the West, to build up its combat power. And by February 2022, the Ukrainian army was one of the most numerous and well-armed armies in Europe.
Further, more than 50 countries are helping the Ukrainian army; with money, weapons, ammunition, military instructors and mercenaries.
Further, more than 50 countries are helping the Ukrainian army; with money, arms, ammunition and mercenaries.
And if the losses of the Ukrainian army to date, according to the most modest and verified estimates, are much more than 500000 irretrievable losses (killed or seriously wounded, not ready to fight), then I, as a military analyst, tell you responsibly, that with such losses and holding the front, says that Ukraine had more than 1500000 and even more people under the gun.
As for foreign mercenaries, there is also verified data on their presence in Ukraine and their losses. More than 20000 mercenaries from different countries, the losses are more than 70%.
Therefore, if you do not know the correct information, it is better not to talk nonsense.
I don't believe you. Considering that you post videos in Russian, you are most likely a banal deserter who ran away from Ukraine, you fucking defender, to a place where your ass is warm and safe, and you stink from far away.
P.S..
Basically, I don't care about all the nonsense and lies you've written here. I already told you that "Strength is in the truth". And the one on whose side the truth will win; on the side of Russia, or the collective West and its puppet, the current Ukraine.
And I'll be here at that time, and poke you in your lying shit!
I'm 100% of slavic ethnicity, i'm not an ethnic finno-mongolian like russians.
Thart's why all your neighbors hates you, because other countries aspired to democracy, liberty while Russians just respect oppressions.
Yes Ukrained struggled economically over the last decade because they didn't join the european union as Poland did. They have remained in Russian sphere of influence and that was their curse.
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"Tell me your stupid without telling me your stupid"BlackSon wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2024 6:40 pmUnlike you and your neighbors, Russia has never colonized any country and never oppressed any particular national or ethnic group. "Ukrainians colonised once again", The USSR, being the Union, implies that the countries get to join it of their own volition, meaning that the Republic of Ukraine chose to join it at the time. So do a bit of an "actual" research before posting some nonsense and come to Russia and see how people live there. Or if you're too lazy, there're quite a few channels about life of foreigners in Russia:
https://www.youtube.com/@countrysideacreshomestead2008
https://www.youtube.com/@AfroRussiaTv (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbpQ2TCgENg)
https://www.youtube.com/@homeinrussia
https://www.youtube.com/@Wild-Siberia/videos
https://www.youtube.com/@Charlesenrussie (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6OvuTksbQU)
Russia colonised half of europe for decades and commited many massacres as in baltic states, ukraine (holodomor)
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Russia colonised other people within its own current border in the caucasus (ever heard of the two war in chechnya?) , far east etc...