RUSSIA - UKRAINE 2022 CONFLICT

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Je suis d'accord avec le post de Spider dog

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Oui Spiderdog on sait tous que c'est ça le problème mais il y a des gens qui veulent absolument voir les choses differemment.
Il y a deux jours un de mes amis c'est engueulé avec un mec qui lui expliquait que les chambres à gaz n'ont jamais existées ...
Sauf qu'elle sont toujours là et que autant les américains n'ont eu aucune difficulté à créer de faux document sur les prétendues armes chimiques de Saddam Hussein, autant recréer tous les camps de concentrations avec des surfaces aussi immense ( Par exemple il faut avoir été sur place pour savoir qu'il y avait 3 Auschwitz et que par exemple la zone d'extermination pour Auswitch II ( Birkenau ) faisait 170 Hectares et qu'il y avait 980 camps en Allemagne.
Donc là on parle de mission impossible pour refaire ça en faux en moins de 10 ans alors que tout est devenu officiel sur une année.
Bref il y a toujours plusieurs sons de cloche mais un seul est juste ...
Jorge winsterman wrote:
Tue Apr 25, 2023 7:09 am
master pierre but how did stella come back to budapest with you for a scene or was it just a friendly visit to you
Stella lives in Europe now with official papers. We are really good friends and meet regularly not neccessary for business ...
El Major wrote:
Tue Apr 25, 2023 11:03 am
I have been a member soon for 3 years so and I would obviously never been that if I thought you were some kind of evil asshole that wants wars.

That being said I perfectly understand what is your position is and you have every right to this but I dont have to agree with you. When Russia bombs Ukraine and sends several hundred thousands soldiers to invade in its pretty obvious who is at fault. Nobody in the west gains from having a huge war in Europe.

My point is that since this war started you had no problem with Putin invading Ukraine when you thought this was going to be a quick win for Russia removing Ukraines leadership . Your anger started when the west supported Ukraine with weapons to defend their country. Since that Every SIngle Time you have weighed in or bumped this thread its been how USA and Europe is really at fault here. Never , even when russian war crimes have been discovered , have I seen you critisize Putin and Russia.
Even worse you have several times actually posted how Lavrov and Russia really has some good points after Russia have started the biggest disaster in Europe since WW2. Your anger is always against USA and Europe. Follwong your post you would think a russian invasion of Ukraine is more Macrons fault than Putin.

I dont see how other disasters changes the fact Ukraine is supported . USA or Europe could send soldiers to stop wars in certain conflicts in Afrcia but I highly doubt that is your answer. Russia and you calls the west hypocrites but I fail to see how Russia fixes problems around the world any better than Europe but pleaase educate me on this.

When it comes to Palestine I do agree with you . Not a fan of letting Israel doing whatever they want there.
You're wrong Major ...
NEVER I WISHED SEE RUSSIA TAKING UKRAIN AS THEY DID WITH CRIMEA !!!
But what ever you think my opinion will not change and without this terrible chess game from East with Ukrainian president I don't think this war will have never came up. I am ready to bet if Trump was still US president never this conflict will have born ... and also I am fucking upset that this war brings so many problems to all european citizens too.
By telling this I do not support Putin, but sorry for me a man like Zelensky who was ranked in 2021 in the top 10 most corrupted president of the world can't become a great guy in 2022 because there is a war in his country.
It's same like when Tommie my balls said Brillbabes was a human Traffic factory 3 months ago and now they stop speak to me they are perfectly clean !!! Come on ... it's not a kinder garden !!!
Putin is far to be a saint and eveyone knows how he has build his powerful situation step by step in the end of the 90's but I don't think the last 30 years have showed a nice side of West countries too !!! Millions of people are dead just because USA wanted the oil and nobody never said a single word ...
So yes this RU/UKR war is ugly and should never have existed but I do not think it's fair to say Putin is the only responsible of all this which anyway doesn't make him right to have started this war !!!
milster wrote:
Wed Apr 26, 2023 9:45 am
Since the conflict in Ukraine started, I noticed how the West quickly showed signs of hypocrisy when they openly stood by Ukraine side especially when they are far from being genuine about Ukrainian wellbeing. Anybody who thinks that West os altruistic is insultingly naive. When very same West tried solving conflicts around the globe with basically no success. Not to mention that some people attempt to forcefully join Ukraine into NATO, NATO being a criminal organization. And when it comes to Ukraine, things are not black n white as people want to believe, especially since both countries involved are literally neighbors.
And while rarely anyone mentions the suffering of Palestians, so rarely anyone speaks of the suffering of Russians in Ukraine.
Bobby wrote:
Wed Apr 26, 2023 4:51 pm
why is Europe caring so much about the war in Ukraine and far less about wars in other countries of the world :

1) Just have a look at the skin color of the Europeans and the skin color of the people affected by war. Maybe you will notice something...

2) Refugees: The best option to limit the amount of Ukrainians fleeing into Europe is to keep the hope alive that Ukrainians can win the war.

As you can see the refugees coming across the Mediterranean can drown, as far as Europe is concerned. Regarding the EU land borders there will likely be mine fields soon.....

The world is a shit show, nothing new here :)
100 % agree with both of you !!!

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How I am wrong Pierre ? All the things I said is what you have written in the last 12 months. The russian narrative you have supported the whole way. You were a fan of Putin for a decade. You were on that Putin had the right wo go to war because he had to remove the nazis. You did not think Putin was in the wrong early. Then you were against Ukraine getting help. And all the way to your last posts its been the same russian narrative ftom you how USA is the ones that might bomb russia of all things and the world will go under. Its always the same russian talking points. I know there are a lot of russian propaganda on hungarian tv and I see the sites and sources you post from. Its headlines like ROTTEN EUROPE etc. Always russian talking points. Far right stuff with Trump being some hero. So you seem to follow sites that supports the views you already have while ignoring other media . Offcourse this would not happen if a clown like Trump was leading . Russia would roll over Ukraine easily with Trump in charge. And I and millions of others were certainly not quiet when the moron Bush and his neo cons thought invading Iraq was a great idea.

We will never agree on this. You agree with the ones that think the world is a complete mess and its mostly the wests fault. Its clear thats your position. My point still stands. All the things you say about Biden and Europe etc you will completely ignore about dictators like Putin. As if he is not way more corrupt.. Its the lack of balance in your post when you are the boss here that frustrates me.


I have followed your fight in recent times and I have seen no evidence that supports the ones trying to take you down .
So I intend to support you for many years to come. Politics is something else . We wont agree on Putin Orban or Trump. I despsie dicators and wanna be dicators and facism . You dont share that opinion on them so lets just end it right there. I would think you have friends and family that does not agree with everything you in politics as well so it should be possible we just can agree to disagree on this .

I wish you have a great time celebrating your 60 bithday 100% in the moment with your family and not spending the time talking poltics or fighting with people trying to take you down.

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Just wondering:

1) Ukraine is regarded a quite corrupt country.

2) A professional actor becomes president of the Ukraine.

3) The EU starts to pump billions of Euros into Ukraine.

Not sure what is really going on......but maybe the actor is just doing a convincing job.....or all just coincidence...

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That is a very Tucker Carlson " Just asking questions " kind of post but I would prefer you state you opinions and try to back it up with facts rather than conspiracy therories. And how does Russia invading Ukraine fit it to your picture ? I personally think Ukraine elected somebody with hope that he will be able to remove the corrupt ways of before and also take Ukraine in a more western direction. Its not like Putins Russia are doing great in a lot of areas other than their natural resources.

Obviosuly Ukraine is still corrupt. EU says Ukraine has a long way to go . Like Russia who they were closer to earlier. Can you seriously argue that Russia are less corrput then european countries Ukraine is trying to be closer to?

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I have no specific conspiracy theory. I just notice a chain of events like a professional actor becomes president and suddenly events happen that makes this president looking very good at his job. Could be that Ukraine was just lucky to have the right person as president at the right time. Or maybe not......

To be clear I want the Ukrainian people to live in peace and do what they want to do. But world politics is often not caring about simple people ......

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Bobby wrote:
Thu Apr 27, 2023 6:07 pm



To be clear I want the Ukrainian people to live in peace and do what they want to do. But world politics is often not caring about simple people ......
We can certainly agree there

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Can someone explain to me why Russia need to put in jail a Journalist and the freed woman basket ball player? Whats the reason for this?

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alexus2 wrote:
Wed May 24, 2023 4:59 pm
Can someone explain to me why Russia need to put in jail a Journalist and the freed woman basket ball player? Whats the reason for this?
My opinion about this:
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As far as I know the warning of the US to its citizen to leave Russia is related to the arrest of a US journalist for spying in Russia.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-65121885

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US journalist Evan Gershkovich has been arrested in Russia and accused of spying while working for the Wall Street Journal.

An experienced Russia reporter, he was working in the city of Yekaterinburg at the time of his detention.

The White House has condemned his detention "in the strongest terms".

The Kremlin claimed he had been caught "red-handed" but the Wall Street Journal vehemently denied the allegations against him.
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In my view Russia is just building up some bargaining chips for future swaps of prisoners with the US, Like this one..
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/ ... iktor-bout

The Russian arms dealer Viktor Bout, who returned home last week in a prisoner exchange for the American basketball star Brittney Griner, has joined the pro-Kremlin far-right Liberal Democratic party (LDPR), in a move that could see him seek a seat in the Russian parliament.
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The big boys are just playing their little games....

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