No one has ever seen a single bastard from the BBC, not in Dombass, not in Crimea, not in Belarus, not in Russia on the border with Ukraine.
All of this is a lie!
They're going to take any last criminal who was in jail for something in Russia or Belarus and pass him off as some victim, and make up a heart-warming story as well. It's all bullshit.

Database of 231 videos exposes the horrors of war in Ukraine
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/in ... table-main

Even a cursory glance was enough for me to recognize more than half of the clips there - these are the towns of Dombass, destroyed by the Ukrainian army or directly when they were hiding in this infrastructure and were knocked out.

Can you tell us the fairytale, how an AFU Fighter shot down MH17?

MVitaly5 wrote: ↑

Mon May 09, 2022 5:09 pm

ragingboner wrote: ↑

Mon May 09, 2022 4:29 pm

Ah yes, the classic Russian deflection: "Your country has problems, so therefore Russia is perfect and can't be criticised by other countries". Just textbook, good job my guy. Also i should say, Norway is the happiest, wealthiest country(per capita) in the world, so i think we're doing just fine, thank you.

If your views are based on the facts as you see them, you clearly have a very delusional view of the real world.

I have read myself up on this conflict, and what led up to it, so, and have no problems understanding the background here. And it's not all that complicated. What you have, is a larger state, wanting to exert it's will on a smaller one. Fundementally speaking, it's really not all that much more complicated than that. Of course, there's plenty of good reasons why Russia is now after Ukraine specifically, but Russia has never made it any less obvious that it intends to do the same to other smaller states that are not aligned with NATO.

Also no, i didn't have an "a priori" blame for Russia, you clearly have no idea what you're even saying. I blame Russia beacuse Russia is to blame.

I'm willing to imagine where you read about it.
There is a character here under the nickname "Apollo13", who also "reads a lot" about it. His main and only source is a certain "Nexta" - a group of Belarusians, offended by the authorities in Belarus, now sitting in Poland and working off Western grants. They are not even embarrassed to use materials filmed by Russian sources, only change the headlines to further emphasize their Russophobic overtones. They do not even leave their office in Poland, do you really think they know anything about the situation in Ukraine? Then I pity you. Well on "Apollo13", I gave up long ago. Everything is clear with him. Although there are more media fakemets in Europe, but he continues to use the stinkiest and most dubious one.
I literally ten days ago, was personally in Mariupol and other cities of Dombass. I spoke personally with residents of the cities and even with captured Ukrainian soldiers. I did not see a single fucking face of a journalist from the main European and American media there. Reporters there are specifically allowed in without restrictions from any countries. They are specially facilitated and provided with security. I've seen Chinese, Indian, and even American and European reporters, but not from your mainstream media space. That's because you don't want the truth!
So, it begs the question, what did you read, my friend, and from whom about it. I'm afraid to find out. Don't tell me, so you don't embarrass yourself.
Further, this bullshit about Russia threatening European countries, I'm fucking sick of hearing it. Show me one fucking proof when Russia after the collapse of the Soviet Union (1991) threatened European countries? Can you produce even one proof? But during this time NATO has deliberately expanded to the east of Russia's borders. NATO, whose charter states that Russia is the enemy!
You, like some fools, have been indoctrinated with this bullshit about the mythical Russian threat, and you all believe this shit. But, I understand the hypocritical political elite of Eastern European countries, they know exactly why they join NATO. I wrote about this just above. But when ordinary Europeans talk about it and more importantly believe in it, I begin to doubt their mental development.
Do not repeat this nonsense about the threat from Russia. After the collapse of the Soviet Union Russia had a lot of problems of its own. Russia itself was on the verge of disintegration. There was internal separatism and terrorism in Chechnya, supported by Western countries. Who the fuck was Russia threatening at that time? Don't bullshit me about it anymore. And now you are all so cocky that first you staged a coup d'état in Ukraine (2014), and then started preparing Ukraine for war with Russia, and discussing including it in NATO. Aren't you all fucked up over there?

NATO is a defensive alliance, therefore it will never be an aggressor towards Russia. Furthermore, NATO has an open door policy, which states that countries that passes the requirements to join, can join NATO if they ask for it. And all these countries *are* asking to join NATO. Why is that you think?

Furthermore, NATO is *never* going to allow a 3rd party, in this case Russia, to dictate whom gets to join or not, that just undermines the entire organisation. The fact that Russia thinks it can do that, is beyond asinine.

Also just beacuse Russia did not *directly* threaten european countries with military action in the 90s, doesen't mean that Russia wasn't, or wouldn't be a threat again. Those countries had been under occupation by the Russia led USSR for decades before that. It's not surprising for a second that they would want to distance themselves from Russia and join NATO, so that could never happen again, beacuse eastern european countries know exactly what the Russkiy Mir entails.

Also there's not a fat chance in hell you were recently in Donbass and Mariupol. You're just some kid sitting in a dank basement in Moscow, spouting Russian propaganda on the internet all day.

ragingboner wrote: ↑

Mon May 09, 2022 5:50 pm

NATO is a defensive alliance, therefore it will never be an aggressor towards Russia. Furthermore, NATO has an open door policy, which states that countries that passes the requirements to join, can join NATO if they ask for it. And all these countries *are* asking to join NATO. Why is that you think?

Furthermore, NATO is *never* going to allow a 3rd party, in this case Russia, to dictate whom gets to join or not, that just undermines the entire organisation. The fact that Russia thinks it can do that, is beyond asinine.

Also just beacuse Russia did not *directly* threaten european countries with military action in the 90s, doesen't mean that Russia wasn't, or wouldn't be a threat again. Those countries had been under occupation by the Russia led USSR for decades before that. It's not surprising for a second that they would want to distance themselves from Russia and join NATO, so that could never happen again, beacuse eastern european countries know exactly what the Russkiy Mir entails.

It's hard for me to talk to people like you, lest I descend to unflattering epithets about you, due to your level of education. "NATO is a defensive alliance." It's only on paper. Even the paper on which it is written is ashamed of it. A more ridiculous and incompetent statement I have rarely heard. Since the end of World War II, the United States and NATO have been involved in more than 50 world wars in which NATO has been the aggressor. I am too lazy to even mention it anymore. Even in this thread, on this forum, so much has been said by all the participants about it, it could write a book. Well, fucking think before you write something!!! Especially such bullshit!
Next, NATO was created against the Soviet Union, or rather against the communist system. In response, in the Eastern European territories, in contrast to NATO, the block of Warsaw Pact countries was created. In all the Eastern European countries liberated by the Red Army, together with the resistance armies of these countries from the occupation of Nazi Germany, governments loyal to the Soviet Union were formed, because the vast majority of the population of Eastern European countries welcomed the Red Army. And that is a fact!!! Everything else is false history. That is why there was no occupation, don't lie or interpret the history, according to your lying modern history textbooks. All Eastern European countries were formally independent, but under the influence of the Soviet Union. Then according to you the Western European countries were also occupied by the U.S., and remain in that status now, which by the way, is true. They are completely political, economic and military puppets of the United States. Europe is stuffed with American military bases. This is simply the state of affairs that suits Europe. Why spend money on their defense, when you can just sell yourself to the U.S.? There's a reason Hitler occupied almost all of Europe in such a short period of time. You are not ready for resistance. You are not ready for sacrifice and ruin. Your mentality is all about personal well-being. God forbid, if they destroy my house, my farm... It's easier to surrender to someone else. Modern Europe, pardon my bluntness, is a miserable parody of the Great Europe before the First World War. You are extremely dependent, and don't understand that even for the United States, you are just a means to their interests. And they need to destroy Russia, China, and other countries that challenge their hegemony. You are expendable material, and you need to be kept in check by the USA, that is why they feed you with fantasies about the imaginary Russian threat. And you, like children, fall for it.

Why someone is asking for membership in NATO, I wrote above. This is especially true for the countries of Eastern Europe. And most importantly, what your political puppet elite wants is far from the fact that simple people want. I'm sure that in France, Spain, Greece, Turkey and Italy, most people want the country to leave NATO and friendship with Russia. I have many friends there from citizens and diasporas. So don't let wishful thinking be your reality. As for Sweden and Finland, no one has yet taken them into NATO, and their wishes are just the pathetic efforts of some officials. The people of these countries are, for the most part, against it.

One last thing.
I will no longer answer such questions, simply because I have already answered them in this thread, or explained my point of view. Cited historical facts and arguments to prove my point of view. As. for your assertion that supposedly everyone "on a genetic" level, fears Russia, does not stand up to any criticism and expert discussion. It's just baloney, nothing more. To every individual who comes along and without reading the entire forum thread, claims another load of bullshit about NATO being a defensive and harmless bloc that brings everyone "joy" in this world, I'm sick of it.

MVitaly5 wrote: ↑

Mon May 09, 2022 6:40 pm

ragingboner wrote: ↑

Mon May 09, 2022 5:50 pm

NATO is a defensive alliance, therefore it will never be an aggressor towards Russia. Furthermore, NATO has an open door policy, which states that countries that passes the requirements to join, can join NATO if they ask for it. And all these countries *are* asking to join NATO. Why is that you think?

Furthermore, NATO is *never* going to allow a 3rd party, in this case Russia, to dictate whom gets to join or not, that just undermines the entire organisation. The fact that Russia thinks it can do that, is beyond asinine.

Also just beacuse Russia did not *directly* threaten european countries with military action in the 90s, doesen't mean that Russia wasn't, or wouldn't be a threat again. Those countries had been under occupation by the Russia led USSR for decades before that. It's not surprising for a second that they would want to distance themselves from Russia and join NATO, so that could never happen again, beacuse eastern european countries know exactly what the Russkiy Mir entails.

It's hard for me to talk to people like you, lest I descend to unflattering epithets about you, due to your level of education. "NATO is a defensive alliance." It's only on paper. Even the paper on which it is written is ashamed of it. A more ridiculous and incompetent statement I have rarely heard. Since the end of World War II, the United States and NATO have been involved in more than 50 world wars in which NATO has been the aggressor. I am too lazy to even mention it anymore. Even in this thread, on this forum, so much has been said by all the participants about it, it could write a book. Well, fucking think before you write something!!! Especially such bullshit!
Next, NATO was created against the Soviet Union, or rather against the communist system. In response, in the Eastern European territories, in contrast to NATO, the block of Warsaw Pact countries was created. In all the Eastern European countries liberated by the Red Army, together with the resistance armies of these countries from the occupation of Nazi Germany, governments loyal to the Soviet Union were formed, because the vast majority of the population of Eastern European countries welcomed the Red Army. And that is a fact!!! Everything else is false history. That is why there was no occupation, don't lie or interpret the history, according to your lying modern history textbooks. All Eastern European countries were formally independent, but under the influence of the Soviet Union. Then according to you the Western European countries were also occupied by the U.S., and remain in that status now, which by the way, is true. They are completely political, economic and military puppets of the United States. Europe is stuffed with American military bases. This is simply the state of affairs that suits Europe. Why spend money on their defense, when you can just sell yourself to the U.S.? There's a reason Hitler occupied almost all of Europe in such a short period of time. You are not ready for resistance. You are not ready for sacrifice and ruin. Your mentality is all about personal well-being. God forbid, if they destroy my house, my farm... It's easier to surrender to someone else. Modern Europe, pardon my bluntness, is a miserable parody of the Great Europe before the First World War. You are extremely dependent, and don't understand that even for the United States, you are just a means to their interests. And they need to destroy Russia, China, and other countries that challenge their hegemony. You are expendable material, and you need to be kept in check by the USA, that is why they feed you with fantasies about the imaginary Russian threat. And you, like children, fall for it.

Why someone is asking for membership in NATO, I wrote above. This is especially true for the countries of Eastern Europe. And most importantly, what your political puppet elite wants is far from the fact that simple people want. I'm sure that in France, Spain, Greece, Turkey and Italy, most people want the country to leave NATO and friendship with Russia. I have many friends there from citizens and diasporas. So don't let wishful thinking be your reality. As for Sweden and Finland, no one has yet taken them into NATO, and their wishes are just the pathetic efforts of some officials. The people of these countries are, for the most part, against it.

One last thing.
I will no longer answer such questions, simply because I have already answered them in this thread, or explained my point of view. Cited historical facts and arguments to prove my point of view. As. for your assertion that supposedly everyone "on a genetic" level, fears Russia, does not stand up to any criticism and expert discussion. It's just baloney, nothing more. To every individual who comes along and without reading the entire forum thread, claims another load of bullshit about NATO being a defensive and harmless bloc that brings everyone "joy" in this world, I'm sick of it.

Russia *is* a threat, as Chechnya, Georgia and Ukraine has shown. Fuck off with this shite that Russia isn't an imperialist shithole. Also you *saying* something doesen't mean it's true, or even addresses my points. Also, NATO does not attack countries, countries *in* NATO may have been engaged in wars, aggresive, uncalled ones even. But not NATO itself.

And to your last point, that's just straight up, and verifiably false. 60-70% of the population of BOTH Sweden and Finland want to join NATO, and it's going to happen, soon.

Anyway, i'm not even sure why i bother, it's clear you are COMPLETELY out of touch with reality, and brainrot has completely set in. But as long as you spread your bullshit in here, i will call you out for what you are, a disgusting vatnik.

MVitaly5 wrote: ↑

Mon May 09, 2022 6:40 pm

ragingboner wrote: ↑

Mon May 09, 2022 5:50 pm

NATO is a defensive alliance, therefore it will never be an aggressor towards Russia. Furthermore, NATO has an open door policy, which states that countries that passes the requirements to join, can join NATO if they ask for it. And all these countries *are* asking to join NATO. Why is that you think?

Furthermore, NATO is *never* going to allow a 3rd party, in this case Russia, to dictate whom gets to join or not, that just undermines the entire organisation. The fact that Russia thinks it can do that, is beyond asinine.

Also just beacuse Russia did not *directly* threaten european countries with military action in the 90s, doesen't mean that Russia wasn't, or wouldn't be a threat again. Those countries had been under occupation by the Russia led USSR for decades before that. It's not surprising for a second that they would want to distance themselves from Russia and join NATO, so that could never happen again, beacuse eastern european countries know exactly what the Russkiy Mir entails.

Next, NATO was created against the Soviet Union, or rather against the communist system. In response, in the Eastern European territories, in contrast to NATO, the block of Warsaw Pact countries was created. In all the Eastern European countries liberated by the Red Army, together with the resistance armies of these countries from the occupation of Nazi Germany, governments loyal to the Soviet Union were formed, because the vast majority of the population of Eastern European countries welcomed the Red Army. And that is a fact!!! Everything else is false history. That is why there was no occupation, don't lie or interpret the history, according to your lying modern history textbooks. All Eastern European countries were formally independent, but under the influence of the Soviet Union.

This is so incredibly false it's not even funny. The countries of eastern Europe were not independent of Russia in any real sense of the word. They were forced into the Warsaw pact, and invaded if they did not comply, case in point, Czechoslovakia and Hungary. They were barred from having free elections and break away from the Soviet system, if that's what they wanted.

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Then according to you the Western European countries were also occupied by the U.S., and remain in that status now, which by the way, is true. They are completely political, economic and military puppets of the United States. Europe is stuffed with American military bases. This is simply the state of affairs that suits Europe. Why spend money on their defense, when you can just sell yourself to the U.S.? There's a reason Hitler occupied almost all of Europe in such a short period of time. You are not ready for resistance. You are not ready for sacrifice and ruin. Your mentality is all about personal well-being. God forbid, if they destroy my house, my farm... It's easier to surrender to someone else. Modern Europe, pardon my bluntness, is a miserable parody of the Great Europe before the First World War. You are extremely dependent, and don't understand that even for the United States, you are just a means to their interests. And they need to destroy Russia, China, and other countries that challenge their hegemony. You are expendable material, and you need to be kept in check by the USA, that is why they feed you with fantasies about the imaginary Russian threat. And you, like children, fall for it.
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Lol, sure thing buddy. Even now, Europe could buttfuck Russia hard up the ass in a week, and that's not even taking the help of the US into account.

Also the reason European countries have US military bases, is beacuse they *want* to have them. I'm not sure why this is such a tough concept for you to understand, but you're clearly not the brighest bulb i've seen, so perhaps it's not that surprising after all.

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Why someone is asking for membership in NATO, I wrote above. This is especially true for the countries of Eastern Europe. And most importantly, what your political puppet elite wants is far from the fact that simple people want. I'm sure that in France, Spain, Greece, Turkey and Italy, most people want the country to leave NATO and friendship with Russia. I have many friends there from citizens and diasporas. So don't let wishful thinking be your reality. As for Sweden and Finland, no one has yet taken them into NATO, and their wishes are just the pathetic efforts of some officials. The people of these countries are, for the most part, against it.
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Actually you literally didn't. You wrote up some tripe of corruption, and that's about it.
All polls show that NATO is incredibly popular in most NATO countries right now, so you're just verifiably false there. And sure, you can probably find outliers in any countries that are against it. Even myself for a time didn't see NATO has necessary. But Russian imperialism has shown that it's clearly still needed.

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One last thing.
I will no longer answer such questions, simply because I have already answered them in this thread, or explained my point of view. Cited historical facts and arguments to prove my point of view. As. for your assertion that supposedly everyone "on a genetic" level, fears Russia, does not stand up to any criticism and expert discussion. It's just baloney, nothing more. To every individual who comes along and without reading the entire forum thread, claims another load of bullshit about NATO being a defensive and harmless bloc that brings everyone "joy" in this world, I'm sick of it.
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I literally never said this. People only fear Russia, beacuse Russia is aggressive and wants to gobble up it's neighbours. This is literally why all these smaller countries *voluntarily* wants to join NATO, beacuse Russia is the aggressor.
Also, get sick of it all you want, saying anything else is just false. You don't know what the fuck you're talking about.