I must say I totally agree with you, Ghandy. Still, posting your views on this forum is probably a complete waste of time. Pierre Woodman is an irresponsible person. He's very clever (at least clever enough to trick young and inexperienced girls, nothing to be proud of, really), but he lacks intelligence, compassion, empathy. Deep down he knows he's a misogynist jerk - just consider how he always just explodes at even the slightes hint of criticism. He doesn't take critque well because he knows there's not much there in his defense.

I must say I totally agree with you, Ghandy. Still, posting your views on this forum is probably a complete waste of time. Pierre Woodman is an irresponsible person. He's very clever (at least clever enough to trick young and inexperienced girls, nothing to be proud of, really), but he lacks intelligence, compassion, empathy. Deep down he knows he's a misogynist jerk - just consider how he always just explodes at even the slightes hint of criticism. He doesn't take critque well because he knows there's not much there in his defense

You're right that posting your views is a waste of time because no-one is really interested--least of all PW. You must be some sort of troll, because if you really think that badly of him or his work you wouldn't be here.

I don't think PW is irresponsible. It's clear from the videos that he's not forcing anyone to do anything against their will, and these women are all adults. Sure he's going to offer them the possibility of fame, and fortune, and if they accept well good for them and us. He's not a psychiatrist and his job isn't provide therapy, but I don't agree that he shows no empathy or compassion.

As for accepting criticism, there is "constructive criticism" and then there is simply just saying someone's work is shit. I've seen comments from members suggesting different ways to do things that he has accepted. One must remember also that he's been doing this for a long time and is successful at it. Who is really going to listen to useless criticism from some random guy who's only experience with porn is probably just sitting behind a computer with a box of tissues in one hand and his dick in the other?

j.

wifebeater wrote:Pierre Woodman is an irresponsible person.

And that from one, who calls himself wifebeater......

gandhi wrote:They have no agent who cares

How do you get the knowledge? Do you check on e.g. eurobabeindex? Most girls have agents...

So Pierre forced all the girls to come to Berlin, wear his logo and smile to the camera?
(Source: http://www.eurobabeindex.com/snippets/s ... 024_192701)

Dont show these pictures Phelan, its well known that Pierre is a mad scientist who surgicaly implant an electronic device in girls ass in order to remote control them and force them to do what he wants.

Ahahahah yes for sure !!! but to come back for a second to those guys like Gandhi, the fact he has seen, the videos he speaks about, in their enterely, means he has used his credit card here and, it's exactly as has said Veloman, the guys critics me with a kleenex in the hand, and it's a cool joke to do it !!!

PW

I don't really see hypocrisy in Ghandi's message, even if he is a paying member. Human beings have some pretty strange desires, some of them pretty violent. I don't think there's anything wrong or unusual about having these desires. Desires are desires. Being fundamentally decent doesn't mean that all of a sudden you stop desiring anything bad. It means that before satisfying your desire you stop to think about what the consequences of satisfying your desire will be for people involved. And if the price is too high, you stop yourself, even if you are capable of finding people desperate enough that they will take on the pain and humiliation.

OK but what do you want to tell us exactly ??? Out of reading Desire many times in your post I can tell if you're on my side or on Gandhi side !!!
Could be interresting you develop more concretly your opinion !

PW

I wasn't gonna reply again, because frankly I don't think Pierre needs other people to fight his fights and I think I made myself clear in the first reply, but if what Pierre does really is bad, then me paying for it, watching it and enjoying it is equally bad. So essentially, you're calling me a degenerate pervert, and that's a fight I wanna fight!

Since you obviously don't get sarcasm I will be more blunt this time, maybe this will penetrate the thick skull...

First of all, nobody is shooting Bambies here. You are insulting these girls intelligence by portraying them as naive helpless idiots who can't help themselves but to get into trouble. They are all adults and they contacted Pierre themselves, I won't speculate what the reason for someone wanting to get into porn are and you shouldn't either! Stop pretending that you know how someone else is feeling! And they do have agents and other people who don't appear in the movies.

I don't know of one incident where a girl would complain that she has been taken advantage of. And Pierre publishes hundreds of these videos. If the picture you're trying to paint here was true, don't you think it would be really easy to throw Pierre in jail, after all, everything is recorded on the video!?

But instead of being prosecuted, he is rewarded by their friendship and they come back for a repeat! Isn't that impressive??

Second, porn is NOT anything like prostitution, except that there is sex involved. But so is you having your way with your wife or your husband, and hopefully nobody is accusing you of prostitution. So please no more arguments and comparisons with prostitution, it shows poor intelligence!

Stop pretending that you know how porn is done and that you know how people are feeling doing it! You weren't there, but guess what, Pierre was! So you need to double check your fantasies about the "bad dark world" of pornmaking, aaaight? You obviously don't know the first thing about it. It is just as bad as watching the movie "Hostel" and then preaching about how tourism in Slovakia is really dangerous! That people there will torture you for fun! Simply stupid!

Now I'll admit I'm not big on extreme porn, pissing and shitting and stuff is where my interest ends. But so what?! I made a choice not to buy Max Hardcore flicks cause they are not my thing, but if girls come to him so he can sit on their face, who am I to protest?!

Dude, you are obviously way too sensitive to be exposed to this stuff. I recommend you go here instead: http://www.disney.com - Everybody is smiling and happy there and nobody is trying to piss on Bambi!

Cheers!

Man I don't know what is your job but you could be an excellent lawyer !!! The comparison with "Hostel" is at the point of my mind but I will have not been able to tell it like this, thank you for that !!!

PW

Gandhi, the whole time you have been talking in a very general way, about "girls", about porn, etc. But every girl is different, with different characters (some are strong, some are weak), different backgrounds, different reasons for doing porn ( some are nymphos and exhibitionists ), and so on.
Each situation is different, and if there is a problem each problem is also different! You cannot say anything by being so general.

We live in a hard world, where many people are exploited, sure, in the work market, at home, everywhere. But it is very easy to attack Pierre because his work is in the limelight, when 90% of things go on without anyone even knowing!
From what I have seen in Pierre's castings and read in the forum, he does not force anyone. If the girl does not want to do porn, she is free to leave. In fact Pierre, it could be interesting to see some of your "failed" castings, where the girl walks out, or even insults you, etc. I know it is not good porn , but it could help balance things out and show us how lucky we are to have the ones who accepted (and also a good defense against people who say you exploit the girls).