True, I've seen many men (especially black men) have no problem approaching women, but again, they've never had this problem in the first place. Some men are naturals with women (think back to kindergarten or elementary school). Or maybe, the men you know fake it and don't tell you the truth, or they've found out a way to become numb. Have you asked them about it?

As I said, you can eventually get rid of this fear to a large degree, but you have to get really good at what you say after "hello" to keep the conversation smooth and going... uncertainty is fun once you get better at this, but in the beginning you need as much certainty as possible.

The modelling thing was a joke, as you can see by my smile at the end.

Many years ago I used to read a lot about PUAs and NLP, and Ross Jeffries, and it took me a lot of time to change from their ridiculous principles. If you practice their methods, you will come up as artificial, unnatural, and simply awkward. Also, memorizing lines and stories, and phrases, etc, is not the way to go.

In any case, I ended up coming up with my own observations, beliefs and principles that go far beyond women. Basically, I had to come up with my own philosophical view of the world, just to see what has worked for thousands of years and continues to work today. And even then, Rafale and Pierre continue to demolish some of my beliefs and make me change them slightly.

TheThinker wrote:In any case, I ended up coming up with my own observations, beliefs and principles that go far beyond women. Basically, I had to come up with my own philosophical view of the world, just to see what has worked for thousands of years and continues to work today. And even then, Rafale and Pierre continue to demolish some of my beliefs and make me change them slightly.

This is what most of us end up doing. The problem is, with time we find we have lumped everyone into certain categories. We become so sure we know what kind of person that we are dealing with, that we do not give them the time to teach us otherwise. So, we overlook something good and lose an opportunity.

Most nice girls (at least the ones I know) will be gentle when a man approaches them. If you start a conversation, and she immediately finds a way to mention her boyfriend, then that's your sign to keep it moving. Sure there are some real bitches that will make you feel bad just because they can - but people like this are in the minority, I think. I know that when someone approaches me, I find a delicate way to duck out. I don't yell "Oh my gosh why are you talking to me you freak!" Or something like this. So there is probably a lot less to fear than you guys think.

rafale wrote:Most nice girls (at least the ones I know) will be gentle when a man approaches them. If you start a conversation, and she immediately finds a way to mention her boyfriend, then that's your sign to keep it moving.

You're so right about this, rafale! I heard the boyfriend thing twice tonight at work! I almost start laughing when I hear it! That's when I usually say, "Why don't you drop that zero and get with the hero?"

The Canadian.

youdaman wrote:That's when I usually say, "Why don't you drop that zero and get with the hero?"

Or: "i know you fall in love..but maybe do you want change your life?"
I read this here in the forum today, let´s see if the guy gets lucky

rafale wrote: If you start a conversation, and she immediately finds a way to mention her boyfriend, then that's your sign to keep it moving.

I've had so many stories confirming that is not true. and Pierre is the evidence
but obviously, it makes sense

totoro wrote:I've had so many stories confirming that is not true. and Pierre is the evidence
but obviously, it makes sense

Sure, it's true the right guy can convince a girl, even if she is trying to turn him down in the start. Pierre is the expert and a bit of an anomaly. But in the case of the average guy, who already is fearing rejection, I would not recommend he push too much. Unless he has a natural talent he is probably going to fail the first few attempts. The more you push, the more fierce the final rejection can become. And the in the case of Pirateguy and Neptune, they are trying to avoid this type of rejection until they are a little more comfortable.

Yodaman, that line would work on me! But only coming from you!

I will give you guys a recent scenario. I had a guy approach me in the grocery store a few weeks ago with the WORST line EVER. He walked up to me and said, "I have been single since 1999, and there are just some things you forget. I could really use your help". In a way, it was a bit of a success, because it took me about 60 seconds to cycle these words through my mind and convince myself that the statement did, in fact, just come out of this man's mouth.

Now, I could have destroyed that guy. Let's face it. But, I laughed and told him he was funny and found a way to exit the conversation without hurting his pride (though to be honest, I doubt he had much pride in the start).


The moral to the story, even a horribly executed approach is not necessarily going to result in your embarrassment. You just have to try, and little by little become more comfortable in the initial conversation.

I wouldn't say so...with Pierre it's just about the money..and nothing else.

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Pierre is the expert and a bit of an anomaly.

I wouldn't say so...with Pierre it's just about the money..and nothing else.

Hmm....If you mean the girls now (the ones that know of him especially) know that a casting with him can lead to financial opportunities in the future, then I am sure it's an influence on their decision. But I do not think it's always the main motivator. He has a talent, for sure, that is beyond many men.

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Pierre is the expert and a bit of an anomaly.

I wouldn't say so...with Pierre it's just about the money..and nothing else.

Without having working in porn business, would he have fucked 4500 girls? Probably not.
Would he have fucked 10 times more girls than you? I would bet my left nut (the perfectly round one) on it.

Eloquently stated!