Hi,

Like Pierre, I'm a photographer/videographer, though these days I am producing softcore content for websites like Met-Art. Today I was visiting the most well known online adult industry forum and saw this thread http://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1049393 regarding the widespread unchecked piracy of Pierre's movies on tube sites and forums and file lockers. Piracy is killing the industry, I know this from my own websites and from those that I produce content for. The DMCA law is a joke, it protects thieves and those who profit from it and does almost nothing to protect those who the law was written to protect - the copyright owners.

There are ways to try to slow down the piracy, hire a company who specializes in hunting down your content wherever it has been uploaded illegally and send out DMCA complaint emails daily by the hundreds and thousands. The problem with this is that many of these bastard file lockers will take up to 2 weeks to remove files after being DMCA'ed - during those 2 weeks thousands of downloads occur and further distribution of the pirated content. Then to add insult to injury, when they 'delete' files, they really don't delete them at all, they merely change the location URL of the file, and within a day the same files re-appear. It is a vast conspiracy between uploaders, webmasters operating blogs and forums and file locker operators. We all know how this operates but proving it in a courtroom is another thing and we are talking into the millions of dollars to sue one of these operations.

The other way to combat piracy is to only allow your movies to be streamed within a protect members area. There are now some 100% effective streaming video solutions, none of the software out there currently can get around this. But......still there is screen capturing software out there that will capture video/audio from a person's screen. The quality will not be as good but it does make the game a little harder for those who steal. The other negative is that the people who end up suffering are the most loyal and supportive fans, the ones who do pay for the content, they can no longer download an 8000/kbs MP4 and keep it on their own computer.

There is new anti-piracy legislation being debated in the US Congress now called SOPA, a huge improvement over the DMCA law, it would make service providers and ISP's responsible for what they allow to be uploaded by their users. Of course all the mainstream entertainment and software companies are lobbying with their billions in support of it and on the other side companies like Google and the big ISP's are spending billions lobbying against it. Google is the biggest pirate of them all, search for anything you want on Google and the top search results will be websites where you can download copyrighted content and software for free. Google knows who the pirates are, they could easily remove those from their search results, but that would make their users upset and go elsewhere and that means Google loses hundred of millions of dollars in revenue.

@JohnnyD: You have no clue what you are talking about!
Please, come on, the best piracy protection is good content with a good relations price/content.

And once and for all - YOU CANNOT MAKE ANYTHING ABOUT PIRACY (Look how Usenet is working - I am CCNA certified (Networkadministrator))

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet

So, if you will make business with copyright material you will get handled the piracy problematic! If you don't, shut down your server!

Bye

I agree piracy is bad but if SOPA passes its the biggest mistake ever and will cause lots of trouble. For example i like to watch Lets Plays of games in youtube or people streaming when they play games. if this law passes this becomes illegal. Also all movie reviews on youtube and other sites become technically illegal. lots of those music parody stuff etc you like to watch become illegal etc etc. Then Music studios already abuse the DCMA system http://torrentfreak.com/universal-censo ... el-111210/

Also those so called companys that you can hire to search for piracy can be a bit sketchy to. For example in Germany it is common that you get letter from those anti piracy thing that demand money and some cases they send those even if you havent downloaded anything and people pay those beacause they are scared. And recently they have started selling those unpaid settlements to highest bidder http://torrentfreak.com/copyright-troll ... ts-111208/ which can cause many many problems.

So in short Piracy is bad put SOPA is not the way as it allows goverment and private parties to censor the internet as they want. Better solution would br OPEN http://www.keepthewebopen.com/ altough its not perfect either, but much better than SOPA

andi1950 wrote:@JohnnyD: You have no clue what you are talking about!
Please, come on, the best piracy protection is good content with a good relations price/content.

I hear this bullshit over and over from people like you who seek to justify STEALING, because that's EXACTLY what it is. NO DIFFERENT than walking in to a store or your neighbor's house and walking off with something without ASKING or without PAYING. it's NOT yours!

you don't like the price somebody sets for a product/service - DON'T BUY IT!

if Pierre Woodman produces a product that HE thinks is worth 100 dollars than that is his right, if nobody else feels the product is worth 100 dollars then he will sell no product and make no money. He will either quit or adjust his price to where people will buy it at a price where he can still make a profit he feels is acceptable. What he can't do and survive is when his customers hold a gun to his head and say 'We refuse to pay you 100 dollars, we refuse to pay you 50 dollars, we refuse to pay you 20 dollars, we will pay your 5 dollars and if you don't accept that then we will STEAL your video and you will get nothing and we are in the right because you would not accept our price!'

I know what USENET is, it was there long before tube sites and file lockers. And always has had tons of pirated content and software. Thankfully USENET is more complicated than Filesonic, Oron, Pornhub and only a small % of Internet users even know what USENET is. Most ISP's dropped newsgroups access long ago, I know both of my ISP's don't offer access to USENET. And the web based USENET operations, those have been sued successfully.

I already told my opinion about piracy numerous time !!!
The year 2011 is almost finished and the money income is inferior of 2010 with 32 % more expensises in production !
What does it means ? it means I did many efforts this year to make my members happy, more video hardcores, more exclusivity, some american girls ( that was VERY EXPENSIVE !!! ), many many many night without sleeping and for what ???
On one side make happy my fan but on other side to help pirates to do more money by stealing more content than in 2010 !!!
So I have already decided to see what will happen after I will lunch Woodman Films . com and if the money income continue to go down, I will do the same, I will go down with the number of monthly content and if it comes to the point I'm so tired to see nothing change, I will close and basta ...
I know 29,90 euros is a lot of money for many people but everything has a cost and hunting new faces cost me a lot every year ! Instead to produce " Indecent Evil" in september I have bought another appartment and save my money.
I was just expecting after putting the trailer online, I will feel the people wish I do it and will help me, but not ...
I can leave without doing this business, I have already set up my life on other direction, and clearly 2012 risk to be my last one as producer if nothing change !!!
Nobody will stop piracy, but Andi1950 is right, at least the good relation and loyalty between a producer and his fans is the only solution today. So in fact all depend of YOU guys ...because the pirates are so primitives in their minds, they don't even understand they are killing what they like !!!

PW

PIERRE WOODMAN wrote: The year 2011 is almost finished and the money income is inferior of 2010 with 32 % more expensises in production !

Very expensive, people don't understand how expensive - they see a scene shot in a hotel room with just you and the girl and think 'cheap hotel, 100 dollars, girl from Eastern Europe, pay her a few hundred dollars' forgetting how much it costs in time and money to search for new girls, travel expenses, meals, website programmer, web server and bandwidth costs and on and on.

Anyway, the biggest tube sites now have programs for content producers, you can get them to make a Pierre Woodman channel and you can upload short 5 minute clips and it works good too if you even put some full length videos - they will put up a banner and link to your site and they will be an affiliate, 50% revenue share. A company named Manwin you probably have heard of now owns most of the largest tube sites, you should speak to them.

Also possible for you to partner up with one of these big programs who will market your site, which would leave you to only worry about shooting the content and talking to your fans.

Gentlemen, this is the end...

-> To PW (& JohnnyD).

The thing is, you can find 500.000 porn topics and download everything for free. Enough to jerk off til the end of days. So most people are just using those sites, and will never pay for porn again.

Bringing some of the highest rated pornstars didn't avoid the boat to sink in 2011.
And if you made less and less money in 2010 and 2011, it won't go better in 2012. So it's soon to be over.

It's impossible to find new customers here. I guess people here are already doing their best. Customers are somewhere else and they won't come if you don't use the best marketing tricks available today. Better marketing would also cost you a lot of money.

Customers chose to buy memberships from the biggest companies (you know which ones) cause they have more videos for a better price, and the best marketing tools. Even if your stuff is better, you know those guys got way much more customers than you do, and it's killing your business.

And why would new customers come here if they can download half of your stuff for free somewhere else...

As we said before, it's possible to kick pirates asses. It won't save your business, but at least, pirates would earn way less money on your back. Killing the links is working following the DMCA procedures. I can name a lot of websites where Brazzers or DogFart links are dead 48 hours after they were posted.

If you want to reduce your bandwidth costs, you could remove the 1080p videos. 720p is enough, specially if it can save money.

If you guys are losing money, of course you will have to close your websites.

But you could still kick the pirates asses and make money.
All you'd have to do is using the pirates tricks & tools to make money sharing your stuff.

It would cost you nothing. Once your websites are dead, you go there and share all your stuff for free. You can make money using image hosts (like ImgChili) and file hosts (like Fileserve or Filesonic).
Pirates sharing half of your stuff would be screwed, cause you would share the whole thing. And it's much more easy to get free files downloaded a million times than selling a thousand memberships...

We will see !!! I still want trust in my fans and loyal members ! Maybe I'm stupid, maybe not ! 2012 will give all answers and maybe will bring some good surprises ...

PW

ibou12 wrote:Gentlemen, this is the end...

-> To PW (& JohnnyD).

Customers chose to buy memberships from the biggest companies (you know which ones) cause they have more videos for a better price, and the best marketing tools. Even if your stuff is better, you know those guys got way much more customers than you do, and it's killing your business.

And why would new customers come here if they can download half of your stuff for free somewhere else...

As we said before, it's possible to kick pirates asses. It won't save your business, but at least, pirates would earn way less money on your back. Killing the links is working following the DMCA procedures. I can name a lot of websites where Brazzers or DogFart links are dead 48 hours after they were posted.

If you want to reduce your bandwidth costs, you could remove the 1080p videos. 720p is enough, specially if it can save money.

If you guys are losing money, of course you will have to close your websites.

But you could still kick the pirates asses and make money.
All you'd have to do is using the pirates tricks & tools to make money sharing your stuff.

It would cost you nothing. Once your websites are dead, you go there and share all your stuff for free. You can make money using image hosts (like ImgChili) and file hosts (like Fileserve or Filesonic).
Pirates sharing half of your stuff would be screwed, cause you would share the whole thing. And it's much more easy to get free files downloaded a million times than selling a thousand memberships...

the money these thieves make uploading to image and file hosts is chump change, which makes this all the more frustrating, the file hosts make millions, tens of millions, these guys uploading the stolen content and posting links on forums and blogs make beer money. most do it as a hobby and many are from poorer countries where if you make 2K a month you are making as much as a lawyer/doctor/dentist.

Dogfart, empire built on piracy, stole WestCoast Productions interracial videos for years, making millions, until WCP sued them finally, then when they had made millions they began to produce their own interracial content.

about Brazzers, an empire built upon piracy, before they became pirates they were small players. original owners were college boys from Montreal. what made them grow and able to spend a fortune producing content and also marketing was Pornhub - stealing and uploading every major DVD studio and paysite's videos. There is documented proof, screencaps, of Brazzers employees on forums years ago soliciting forum posters to upload stolen content to Pornhub. When Pornhub became huge, over 1million dollars per month, they were smart, they didn't spend all that money on living like rockstars, they invested in making their Brazzers content and websites better and better. Then a company with very deep pockets out of Europe, funding is unknown except for rumors that the money comes from two very shady businessmen who had roots in online porn industry and made huge money as the number one spyware distributors in the world. Other people say it's some private European investment fund. They bought Brazzers and Pornhub and the other tube sites Brazzers owned. And then spent tens of millions more buying up more of the biggest porn tube sites on the Internet. I don't think people know how much these tube sites are making and selling for. 20 million, 30 million, 40 million. Piracy pays when you are the king of the pirates. Now this company which is now named Manwin has been buying up some of the porn world's most famous and successful paysites and affiliate programs, Twistys being one of them and the rumor is that they are in the process of buying RealityKings, god knows how much that would sell for but it would be 9 figures for sure if it's true. They have taken over all Playboy's TV channels and websites as well. They have brilliantly almost taken over the entire adult Internet. BUT.........all built on piracy.

There will always be fans and supporters of niche type content like Pierre's - the big companies can't copy Pierre's movies because of course there is only one Pierre.
But will there be enough left who will pay rather than steal to make it worthwhile for him? As he says, 2012 will tell for him. And the same for me and many others in this industry. So many I know have already thrown the towel in. In LA, the porn production capital of the world, many DVD studios already have died and many others are barely surviving. Girls are making money for a couple of months when they are brand new to the business then the work dries up because not enough companies still producing. Now 90% of them are escorting, making huge money compared to what they make performing in porn movies.

Thank you JohnnyD to have wrote it in english the way I couldn't myself !!!
It's exactly the truth ! Manwin has absorbed the most important porn studios but does a big part of his money with all the free tube pirating the content of his last competitors who dies one after one every month !!!
Maybe one day he will buy Pierre Woodman too !!! but in that case the content will not be the same !
If you don't want something like this happen, just stay loyal, give me more support and help the site to produce always new exclusvive content as I do for you actually !!!

PW