I am not much younger than you Pierre . You "knowing this world " means nothing in my opinion in terms of an argument . Anyone can say this. I have also traveled a lot. That is not the reason why I prefer democracy rather than oligarchy where some autocrat or dicator rules. Its common sense in my opinion .

You end up supporting guys like Trump because of immigration it seems and thats your call. I know there is a lot of problems with immigration and certainly in Europe. But there is a long way from that point to supporting the types you do imo. It seems to me that immigration is almost the only thing that matters. And from there you make all kinds of mental gymnatcis to excuse all the other batshit crazy these types do. Like thinking Trump was going to make great peace deals but Biden would have started WW3 . This was after an insurrection trying to steal the previous election . Led by extremist with types like Robert Keith Packer that opted to wear a black hoodie with a large white Nazi SS skull design – and the words “Camp Auschwitz” on it. Trump also care zero about the climate like yo do.

Now his Gaza plan sending the people of palestine to Jordan and Egypt is the dumbest plan ever and obviously has 0 support.
His other plan is Ukraine where he praies the attacker and try to insult and threaten the nation under occupation. Its lies after lies about the facts. His most insane lies caused a bit rift in republican circles so he seems to backtrack a bit on who started the war now atleast but the bar could not be any lower for that idiot. . But now it seems pressure of a mineral deal might include threats of losing access to starlink aswell . And that was my point again . Russia tries to steal Ukrainian land for obvious reasons. Trump tries to extort Ukraine. This is facts. Even Trump and his teams says Ukraine shouild sigh this now. And the "free speech warrior" JD Vance will advise Zelensky not to say anything bad about Trump even though Trump insults Zelensy all the time . That will end bad for him . I am sorry but I can't stand a bully and a hypocrite.

But to support your views about the war you said this :" In fact they clearly all wanted implant NATO in Ukrain in order to manage the aquisition of the land with the mineral of the future. And still today it's also the case but Trump does it "his way" !!!"

This is my frustration with the pro Putin / pro maga movement here.

When has Biden or Nato under Biden , EU or anyone else talkes about minerals for backing Ukraine ?

Where is your evidence. Even any reports about these things was ever a talking point ? The russian propgaanda machine agrees with you so that should tell you everything about not finding any evidence to back up those claims.

One thing is assholes here supporting assholes and bad things. Or the russian propaganda machine with his alternate "facts" being pretty consistent with support for the parties where the facists feel they belong in elections it seems

But I dont think of you as a bad guy. That makes it more frustrating when you are creating a climate in here where the pro putin pro maga moron movement is protected while anyone else popping in once in a while will get piled on by the same 3 or 4 people the second anyone even says someting remotely critical of Putin etc.

But yes. We will not agree on this so I will try to not spend more energy on this.

I am still hoping for a miracle that Trump somehow makes a fair deal so we can have peace , however unlikely that is. Atleast we agree on that part.

Anyone who can still say a good word about Trump after yesterday's debacle is as mad as he is. He's completely lost touch with reality and is making the world an incredibly dangerous place.

To be honest I felt sad for Zelenski because it was an humiliation ...
I think there are a medium level in anything and yesterday it wasn't the medium one but a trap for a man who could not do anything to defend himself.
I don't appreciate Zelenski but IMO it was too much ...

PW

bobwww wrote: ↑

Sat Mar 01, 2025 11:30 am

Anyone who can still say a good word about Trump after yesterday's debacle is as mad as he is. He's completely lost touch with reality and is making the world an incredibly dangerous place.

He didn't start a single war, in fact he's trying to stop one. And being a good and nice person isn't a job nor a requirement to be a president. Ukraine was given $350 billion and what happened to it? It was lost during Zelenskyy's presidency, and also during Zelenskyy's presidency a lot of territory, people and foreign equipment were lost, and now 18-year-olds are probably about to be sent to die for him while he and his wife pose for Times and Vogue and whatever the magazine there is, and you expect everyone to be nice to him? I wonder who's actually lost touch with reality

PIERRE WOODMAN wrote: ↑

Sat Mar 01, 2025 12:45 pm

I felt sad for Zelenski

BlackSon wrote: ↑

Sat Mar 01, 2025 1:10 pm

bobwww wrote: ↑

Sat Mar 01, 2025 11:30 am

Anyone who can still say a good word about Trump after yesterday's debacle is as mad as he is. He's completely lost touch with reality and is making the world an incredibly dangerous place.

He didn't start a single war, in fact he's trying to stop one. And being a good and nice person isn't a job nor a requirement to be a president. Ukraine was given $350 billion and what happened to it? It was lost during Zelenskyy's presidency, and also during Zelenskyy's presidency a lot of territory, people and foreign equipment were lost, and now 18-year-olds are probably about to be sent to die for him while he and his wife pose for Times and Vogue and whatever the magazine there is, and you expect everyone to be nice to him? I wonder who's actually lost touch with reality

Mah, Trump isn't trying to stop anything. He's using the "We put in $350 billion" as a kind of excuse for capitulating to Putin and fill his own pockets. Narcissists admire other narcissists, especially if they are as bent and twisted as themselves.
Whether you like Zelinsky or not the facts remain that the U.S. is in big trouble. (and with that us too) They have as commander in chief someone who now believes that he has reached deified status and can do no wrong. He even said himself that "god wanted that bullet to miss me for a reason." For a narcissist, that kind of shit goes straight to their egos.
There is absolutely no question who has lost touch with reality because there are two very sick, very dangerous men in charge of the world superpowers (Well Russia by historical notoriety anyway) and we're all in deep shit. That's my take.

C'est le moment idéal pour la France de remettre de l'ordre et de faire fleurir son économie, d'en profiter, il y a du blé à se faire dans l'industrie militaire et surtout construire de nouveaux missiles et nouvelles bombe H à fournir aux européens qui mettent le prix, allé Macron faut sortir ses couilles ! Puis faudrait expulser la Hongrie de l'UE puisqu'elle se prétend aussi forte et aime tant les Russe on peut offrir une nouvelle province gratuite à Poutine !

PIERRE WOODMAN wrote: ↑

Sat Mar 01, 2025 12:45 pm

To be honest I felt sad for Zelenski because it was an humiliation ...
I think there are a medium level in anything and yesterday it wasn't the medium one but a trap for a man who could not do anything to defend himself.
I don't appreciate Zelenski but IMO it was too much ...

PW

Oh, so you don't feel sorry for Ukrainians???
Do you feel sorry for this boor, this fucking drug addict, this lowlife artificially created by the “West” who thinks he is something? Yes, without Western support his “Ukraine” is simply bankrupt.
This illegitimate president is only worried about his own skin and power, because he has not cared about Ukraine and the Ukrainian people for a long time, he has already sold all of Ukraine several times. Otherwise he would not send young people to certain death. And the hypocritical European Union (some of its representatives) are encouraging Zelensky to kill the Ukrainian people, because Trump's team wants to take this “Ukrainian piece” away from them
It is clear that Trump's team has its own interests, but they offer these fools from Ukraine, at least to keep the part they still have, realizing perfectly well that they have lost this war, and the risk of dying in a global nuclear war is very high!!!