BlackSon wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 19, 2024 9:40 am

Do you have any other argument other than "Russian propaganda" or not? If you think for a moment, everything's a propaganda, including the stuff YOU believe. So propaganda is not an argument for your defense

What arguments does he have, what are you talking about? Why does he need arguments when he can just insult other forum members, accuse them of propaganda that is not compatible with his propaganda, and then yell and demand that someone be disenfranchised. Because of people like him provoking people to insults, a member who was not the first to start insulting was blocked. He always blackmailed and demanded actions from the owner of the site by his participation on this site, making it clear that he bought himself some exclusive rights, and after that, talks about some authoritarianism, love of democracy and freedom of speech.)) He doesn't even remember that after that, this topic was closed, and imagines that someone, something can forbid me, except the law of my country. Of course I can be blocked, as in principle all voices from Russia are blocked, but to scare me with this is ridiculous, because I have my own principles and beliefs, and no one can forbid me to defend them.


As for the actual arguments, some summary can be made.

Ukrainian Nazis: Bandera, Shukhevych - official heroes of modern Ukraine.




Avenues and monuments to Bandera and Shukhevych in the center of modern Kiev.






Torchlight processions of Nazi supporters, which are constantly taking place in Kiev and other Ukrainian cities, under the windows of the Jew Zelensky...



Regular honoring of Nazis, SS division "Galicia", regiment "Azov" in Ukraine...






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The President of Ukraine is Jew Zelensky and his entourage with the chevrons of Nazi-fascist organizations....

Your lies The fact that the entire forum wanted him gone after his racist and homophobic slurs and calling everyone in the west nazis on top of the russian propaganda was him being a victim

El Major wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 19, 2024 10:34 am

Your lies The fact that the entire forum wanted him gone after his racist and homophobic slurs and calling everyone in the west nazis on top of the russian propaganda was him being a victim

Well, if you think the Ukrainians are the truth-speakers, here's some truth for you. Maybe you'll believe it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0G_j-7gLnWU

BlackSon wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 19, 2024 4:01 pm

El Major wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 19, 2024 10:34 am

Your lies The fact that the entire forum wanted him gone after his racist and homophobic slurs and calling everyone in the west nazis on top of the russian propaganda was him being a victim

Well, if you think the Ukrainians are the truth-speakers, here's some truth for you. Maybe you'll believe it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0G_j-7gLnWU

The proof from the Ukrainian official that Russia was ready to finish everything a long time ago, if Ukraine stayed neutral, but Boris Johnson said know, keep fighting. So, who's the bad guy here? The one who wants to finish it, or the one wants people to die for the lost cause?

It's a debate guys, with différent voices, différent point of views, no stress guys, we are gentlemen are we ? All opinions can be express, and be discuss with conter opinions, ect

BlackSon wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 19, 2024 4:17 pm

BlackSon wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 19, 2024 4:01 pm

El Major wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 19, 2024 10:34 am

Your lies The fact that the entire forum wanted him gone after his racist and homophobic slurs and calling everyone in the west nazis on top of the russian propaganda was him being a victim

Well, if you think the Ukrainians are the truth-speakers, here's some truth for you. Maybe you'll believe it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0G_j-7gLnWU

The proof from the Ukrainian official that Russia was ready to finish everything a long time ago, if Ukraine stayed neutral, but Boris Johnson said know, keep fighting. So, who's the bad guy here? The one who wants to finish it, or the one wants people to die for the lost cause?

He literlally said there was no trust in Russia not attacking them later on. But Boris Johnson that was not even in power after septememver 2022 has the power to tell Ukraine they have to keep on fighting against their will . Sure

El Major wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 19, 2024 7:18 pm

BlackSon wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 19, 2024 4:17 pm

BlackSon wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 19, 2024 4:01 pm

Well, if you think the Ukrainians are the truth-speakers, here's some truth for you. Maybe you'll believe it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0G_j-7gLnWU

The proof from the Ukrainian official that Russia was ready to finish everything a long time ago, if Ukraine stayed neutral, but Boris Johnson said know, keep fighting. So, who's the bad guy here? The one who wants to finish it, or the one wants people to die for the lost cause?

He literlally said there was no trust in Russia not attacking them later on. But Boris Johnson that was not even in power after septememver 2022 has the power to tell Ukraine they have to keep on fighting against their will . Sure

Dude, Johnson made them not to sign the agreement in spring 2022 [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peace_neg ... of_Ukraine], and Johnson resigned as a Prime Minister in September 2022. So get your facts right before saying something. P.S.: "no trust in Russia", you seem to have forgotten how much Russia has done a lot for so many people around the world, including during the COVID when they were willing to give out the medicine for free and when they were treating people in Italy, when the West didn't let anyone in their countries get Russian medicine, or when Russia, or USSR if you like, made everything in its power to get African countries into the United Nations, or how much the "dictator" Stalin did a lot to develop Albania that he loved so much. Russia has always been pro-peace and has proven it many times, but hey, of course you wouldn't want to know anything about because the western media doesn't let you hear any other version (a lot of Russian networks' Youtube channels got blocked just because "they believed" it was all disinformation, even though it's contradictory to freedom of speech or information) and you don't even try to keep an open mind and get a little more research (it's obvious from the fact that you didn't know that Johnson was still in charge).

Russia withdrew its troops from Kiev, which it actually encircled in 2022, with considerable effort to show its good will and readiness for peace talks in Istanbul, but it turns out, according to some, apparently in order to "attack again, later, fucking"....
The man understands absolutely nothing about the psychology of this conflict, neither in military, nor in political strategy and tactics, and besides, he doesn't know shit!
What surprises me most of all in this whole discussion is how a person is absolutely not afraid to disgrace himself here with his ignorance, only to leave the last word for himself, demonstrating his zombie hatred for certain processes and people....

MVitaly5 wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 19, 2024 8:57 pm

What surprises me most of all in this whole discussion is how a person is absolutely not afraid to disgrace himself here with his ignorance, only to leave the last word for himself, demonstrating his zombie hatred for certain processes and people....

On a side part, there's planty of forums with military spécialist, geopolitic experts, expérimented éditorialist, ect, you'll not be surprise there, and maybe more in harmony with the chit chat speech, if you find that some intervenant of this thread are not on your mind level

Jean wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 19, 2024 9:26 pm

MVitaly5 wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 19, 2024 8:57 pm

What surprises me most of all in this whole discussion is how a person is absolutely not afraid to disgrace himself here with his ignorance, only to leave the last word for himself, demonstrating his zombie hatred for certain processes and people....

On a side part, there's planty of forums with military spécialist, geopolitic experts, expérimented éditorialist, ect, you'll not be surprise there, and maybe more in harmony with the chit chat speech, if you find that some intervenant of this thread are not on your mind level

1). Well, not all people are like that! There are people whose position I may fundamentally disagree with, but they at least support their arguments with some arguments and facts. And I will argue with them, try to prove my position. The argument can be heated, emotional, depending on the topic. As one wisdom says, "The truth is born in argument." But it is better than dealing with a person who does not give any arguments and proofs of his position, does not know how and does not want to hear the arguments of others, and only "labels and insults" other participants of the discussion, and except for the words "lies" and "propaganda" does not know anything else.
2). I am not the one on this forum who created these threads!
3). There is a recipe that I also use. If there is a topic of discussion that I am not interested in, or I do not feel competent enough to discuss the issue, I personally prefer to just stay out of these topics, so as not to look like an idiot, first of all in my own eyes, but also in the eyes of potential interlocutors, and do not try to get involved, just to leave my word.
4). I don't write my comments for a specific person, although I may technically be responding to a specific post. I write my comments and opinions for anyone who wants to read and hear an alternative opinion!