MVitaly5 wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 10, 2023 1:51 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vl0Y_ET ... dex=4&t=2s

Very interesting thanks !!!


Sinon pour les francophones :


bizarre autant qu'étrange !!!

et le top :


Au championnat du monde de "qui sera le plus fourbe" on a de grandes chances de voir la France en finale !!!


PW

Le plus marrant c'est que parmi les pays du G20, certains achèteraient (en fait achètent plus probablement!) du pétrole russe, pour le refourguer avec une marge substantielle, une fois raffiné chez eux, aux occidentaux qui soit dit en passant, boycottent officiellement ce même brut russe! Comment croire en ces conneries de règles du droit international? C'est vraiment de la foutaise...

C'est exactement ce que je dis depuis logtemps !!!
L'inde refourgue le gaz et le pétrole russe aux Européens pour 4 fois le prix que Bruxelles le payait avant ...
C'est tellement intelligent et digne vis à vis d'un pays qui ne fait pas partie de l'union européenne, était classé parmi les pays corrompu avant le 24 février 2022 avec un président "persona non grata " aux USA auquel aujourd'hui on déroule un tapis rouge et innonde avec le fric des contribuables européens qui payent tout 3 fois plus cher pour compenser la dépense.

Personnellemnt je pourrai comprendre si cela se passait comme ça avec toute les guerres mais bizarrement seules les guerres d'intérêts américain ont droit à cette faveur, les palestiniens souffrent depuis plus d'un demi siècle mais ça Bruxelles s'en branle !!!

PW

Yeah , Putin and Russia takes us in the worst crisis in Europe ince WW2 and its EU thats evil

El Major wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 17, 2023 1:03 am

Yeah , Putin and Russia takes ut in the worst crisis in Europe ince WW2 and its EU thats evil

Why is Russia putting Europe in the worst crisis? 95% of European citizens don’t live in the Ukraine. Ukraine is neither part of the EU or the NATO. So who cares?

It‘s the NATO and the EU making a problem out of the Ukraine crisis - yes Ukraine crisis not Europe crisis, EU crisis or NATO crisis.

Till now it was only the Ukraine attacking with missiles a EU country and killing people - in Poland. Not Russia.
It was the Ukraine atticking EU infrastructure and causing huge problems in Energy supply. Not Russia.

But Russia is the enemy of EU but not the Ukraine?

In my eyes they should solve their fight alone and not expect any help.

My personal opinion since 2014 with Crimea anexion by Russia, nothing will never happened bad between Russia and Ukrain if USA and EU have kept their promises from 1997 and not tried push to implant Nato in Ukrain.
From Orange revolution all is just a manipulation game pushing both nation to the war and I don't believe a second if Putin wanted invade Ukrain he will have wait 20 years ...

I can only recommend once again to watch this : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwZApPCFXIc

PW

The problem is that the "Deep State" in the USA doesn't want peace with Russia... They always considered Russia as a foe to destroy or enslave... So they needed to cut links between ukraine and russia to weaken russians... Many americans are considering that Russia will not be again a superpower without Ukraine as a friendly state and neighbour. So their plan is simple and they just implementing now it by fueling that bloody war... To me the american won. China and India will also be among the great "winners" of that war. Ukraine, Russia and Europe will stand among losers of that conflict...

Master4SubCpl wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 17, 2023 8:23 am

El Major wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 17, 2023 1:03 am

Yeah , Putin and Russia takes ut in the worst crisis in Europe ince WW2 and its EU thats evil

Why is Russia putting Europe in the worst crisis? 95% of European citizens don’t live in the Ukraine. Ukraine is neither part of the EU or the NATO. So who cares?

It‘s the NATO and the EU making a problem out of the Ukraine crisis - yes Ukraine crisis not Europe crisis, EU crisis or NATO crisis.

Till now it was only the Ukraine attacking with missiles a EU country and killing people - in Poland. Not Russia.
It was the Ukraine atticking EU infrastructure and causing huge problems in Energy supply. Not Russia.

But Russia is the enemy of EU but not the Ukraine?

In my eyes they should solve their fight alone and not expect any help.

For starters when millions refugees from Ukraine all over Europe thats pretty hard to just ignore. Second when a facist regime like the Putin regime attacks Ukaine most decent poeople think its a duty to help.

You have people here blaming everything on USA and Europe while supporting a dictator here so you cant expect much from some here but I have no idea why they think previously russian occupied coutires like Poland etc have been more vocal about giving Ukraine heavy weapons, planes etc but that does not fit into the narrative of their hero Putin I guess

El Major wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 17, 2023 2:35 pm

Master4SubCpl wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 17, 2023 8:23 am

El Major wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 17, 2023 1:03 am

Yeah , Putin and Russia takes ut in the worst crisis in Europe ince WW2 and its EU thats evil

Why is Russia putting Europe in the worst crisis? 95% of European citizens don’t live in the Ukraine. Ukraine is neither part of the EU or the NATO. So who cares?

It‘s the NATO and the EU making a problem out of the Ukraine crisis - yes Ukraine crisis not Europe crisis, EU crisis or NATO crisis.

Till now it was only the Ukraine attacking with missiles a EU country and killing people - in Poland. Not Russia.
It was the Ukraine atticking EU infrastructure and causing huge problems in Energy supply. Not Russia.

But Russia is the enemy of EU but not the Ukraine?

In my eyes they should solve their fight alone and not expect any help.

For starters when millions refugees from Ukraine all over Europe thats pretty hard to just ignore. Second when a facist regime like the Putin regime attacks Ukaine most decent poeople think its a duty to help.

You have people here blaming everything on USA and Europe while supporting a dictator here so you cant expect much from some here but I have no idea why they think previously russian occupied coutires like Poland etc have been more vocal about giving Ukraine heavy weapons, planes etc but that does not fit into the narrative of their hero Putin I guess

What causes the refugees is the war and the open borders to Europe. Has Putin opened the borders to the Ukraine? Has Putin prolonged the war with delivering weapons? - When the occupation of Crimea happens not a single refugee came to Europe. Not a single shot was fired. Now compare to the situation since one year.

„You have people here blaming everything on USA and Europe while supporting a dictator“ - First of all, nobody why a little bit of knowledge blames „Europe“. Because Europe is no country or player in this conflict. The EU is not Europe! Second: Why is blaming the USA and the EU equivalent to supporting „a dictator“? I am no fan of Putin or Russia. But I accept that this country has security interests - like any other big country. When the USSR wanted to deposit nuklear missiles on Cuba the USA also intervened. I am a friend of peace. Like I said Crimea has shown, that there is a short way ending this conflict. When the EU and the USA do not want accept the occupation, it’s their right. The last ten years in every map Crimea is shaded. Why is it not possible to shade the whole Ukraine for the next years, but abstain from more war and more dead and more demolition? 1990 has shown that no occupation of a country is durable. So in maybe 10, 20 years Ukrainians get their country without one shot, also.

Ivan_IV wrote: ↑

Sun Sep 17, 2023 12:03 pm

.. To me the american won. China and India will also be among the great "winners" of that war. Ukraine, Russia and Europe will stand among losers of that conflict...

I partly agree, partly disagree!
The US, after completely enslaving the EU countries and other vassals by methodically ruining them, does have a positive balance here. BUT, in the US itself, the situation is extremely unstable on all fronts. The corrupt clan of the Biden family, which currently supports Ukraine because it has huge corrupt ties to that country. Yes, initially they had more global plans to do critical damage to Russia; economically, politically, socially and militarily. But all of those plans went awry. And it is already obvious, so now everything is based on trivial personal interest, but rather dependence on the "Ukrainian issue" of the Biden family. Moreover, I do not claim that the policy towards Russia will somehow change with the arrival of other political forces in the United States. It doesn't matter who will dominate power there; Democrats or Republicans. Keeping Russia, and not only Russia, from developing, is their conceptual plan, and has absolute political consensus. Another very important aspect is the rapidly growing internal contradictions in the US itself in the social, economic and political spheres. I think the US, is very close to a serious civil conflict that could cost it extremely dearly. There are sharp contradictions between whole layers of the population on the ethnic issue, on the migrant issue, and on the "Krainian issue" as well. The poverty rate in the U.S. is skyrocketing, and their incomes have long been out of balance with their spending. And then everything else will fall apart. Therefore, the US has very serious problems in the future. But in the end it will not help the European Union and Ukraine, the latter will be in the loss in any case.
As for Russia, it is also very relative. On the one hand, a country that is engaged in military operations, and when people die, cannot a priori enjoy it. But important aspects play a huge role here: social and economic. Socially, the Russian people, for the most part, understand what they are fighting for, and that they are waging war in their critical, existential interests. Therefore, the effect of the war on people's mood is strongly offset in a positive way. Secondly, historically, Russia, came out of many troubles with benefits for themselves. The peculiarity of the mentality of the Russian people, sometimes needs some kind of "shaking" or "stressful situation", which, coupled with conceptual rightness and a sense of justice of their actions, makes people unite, concentrate on the tasks at hand, self-organize. Relaxation of people has always harmed Russia. And when people have a just goal and idea, Russia cannot be defeated. This is the main strategic mistake of the collective West, that it judges Russians by themselves. In the West, the main aspect of people's mentality is their personal egocentrism and their personal well-being, while Russians have always had the well-being of the whole country in the first place, with personal interest in second place. Despite the fact that the country is fighting, Russia in 2022 became the richest country in Europe, according to the most important indicator of GDP in purchasing power parity. It is this indicator that most correctly and correctly reflects the well-being of the average person in the state. Even the World Bank, which is absolutely unfair and biased towards Russia, has already confirmed this.



The main loser in this whole story will be the stupid European Union. And they have only themselves to blame!!!