RUSSIA - UKRAINE 2022 CONFLICT

BlackSon · Post by **BlackSon** » Wed Aug 30, 2023 9:16 am

For those who know German and are subscribers to this website, you might wanna take a look at this:
https://deutsche-wirtschafts-nachrichte ... heinmetall

El Major · Post by **El Major** » Wed Aug 30, 2023 2:39 pm

BlackSon wrote: ↑
Wed Aug 30, 2023 7:01 am

El Major wrote: ↑
Tue Aug 29, 2023 8:07 pm
To push them back further obviously. Should be pretty simple to understand

Will be much easier to protect themselves while advancing
What's easy to understand is if their so-called "counter-offensive" was effective and successful, they wouldn't have needed both cluster munitions and F-16. They would've used what they had, they would've retaken Bakhmut (Artemovsk). But no, they either flee to other countries because they don't want to die for the lost cause, or surrender to the Russians, and those are the lucky ones. If you're so sure that they're successful, why do they abandon their weapons for the Russians to pick them up?

The video is in Russian, but it still speaks for itself. I hope it'll work here:
https://yandex.ru/video/preview/14339961786155386522

One thing is to argue about who is going to win and even whats a victory like for Ukraine or Russia but fact are something else.Are you seriously arguing where the frontlines are now compared to earlier?

Or saying its any logic behind saying Ukraine has not advanced because they want F-16 aswell ? You cant seriously mean that one exludes the other. Nobody is saying Ukraine is advancing easy or without cost and F -16 are obviosuly going to help. Simple logic. Are you saying tanks dont help or Himars does not help either . The fact that you are saying F-16 wont help because they dont have anyone to opoerate the planes is another gem frrom you though.

And Im pretty sure we have seen russians leave weapons behind plenty of times so great logic there as well

BlackSon · Post by **BlackSon** » Wed Aug 30, 2023 3:49 pm

El Major wrote: ↑
Wed Aug 30, 2023 2:39 pm

BlackSon wrote: ↑
Wed Aug 30, 2023 7:01 am

El Major wrote: ↑
Tue Aug 29, 2023 8:07 pm
To push them back further obviously. Should be pretty simple to understand

Will be much easier to protect themselves while advancing
What's easy to understand is if their so-called "counter-offensive" was effective and successful, they wouldn't have needed both cluster munitions and F-16. They would've used what they had, they would've retaken Bakhmut (Artemovsk). But no, they either flee to other countries because they don't want to die for the lost cause, or surrender to the Russians, and those are the lucky ones. If you're so sure that they're successful, why do they abandon their weapons for the Russians to pick them up?

The video is in Russian, but it still speaks for itself. I hope it'll work here:
https://yandex.ru/video/preview/14339961786155386522
One thing is to argue about who is going to win and even whats a victory like for Ukraine or Russia but fact are something else.Are you seriously arguing where the frontlines are now compared to earlier?

Or saying its any logic behind saying Ukraine has not advanced because they want F-16 aswell ? You cant seriously mean that one exludes the other. Nobody is saying Ukraine is advancing easy or without cost and F -16 are obviosuly going to help. Simple logic. Are you saying tanks dont help or Himars does not help either . The fact that you are saying F-16 wont help because they dont have anyone to opoerate the planes is another gem frrom you though.

And Im pretty sure we have seen russians leave weapons behind plenty of times so great logic there as well

Frontlines are advancing and they're advancing towards Ukraine, not Russia. It's especially noticeable after Ukraine lost Bakhmut (Artemovsk), that's a fact! Once again, F-16 are not going to help. Himars, Bairaktars and tanks don't help either, they're on display in Kaliningrad and St. Petersburg, and they don't help because instead of using them on the frontlines they use them to attack inside Russia, which is not OK with NATO or EU. I repeat, once again, so get this through your head finally, getting F-16 IS NOT GONNA MAKE A DAMN DIFFERENCE. Don't you find it weird that the Special Military Operation is going for more than 1 year, they've been given a lot of weaponry, but they don't advance at all? It's because their weaponry is either destroyed by Russia, or they don't use it properly, or they just sell it on a black market. Simple as that. So stop arguing, Ukraine will lose, that's a FACT. I repeat again, many countries have tried to either destroy or defeat or conquer Russia, they always failed. Otto von Bismark warned to never go to war with Russia because they'll always win. Easy as that. Bye! No point in continuing this argument

El Major · Post by **El Major** » Wed Aug 30, 2023 3:57 pm

You are really writings those words sober ?

BlackSon · Post by **BlackSon** » Wed Aug 30, 2023 4:00 pm

1) I said no point in continuing argument!
2) No need to be insulting. Looks to me you just don't know what else to say since you start insulting and getting personal

El Major · Post by **El Major** » Wed Aug 30, 2023 4:18 pm

Great but you also said weapons dont help in a war

This is typical of the pro russia side here. Take any weird website or opinion from someone pro russia and throwit at the wall and see if it sticks. Kennedy Jr says its USA behind this war lets post that despite that he is a concpiricy nutjob that also suggests covid was designed to spare the jews. Tucker Carlson is the most respected journalist in USA because he is pro russia and putin. Dont matter if it s literally in lawsuits he lies all the time and his own laywers argue no reasonable person will belive his show or that his own text messages reaveals he knowns he lies to the viewers but the he fears he loses them if he dont give them the news they want. So he is fired when billiosn are on the line in court.

BlackSon wrote: ↑
Tue Aug 29, 2023 5:55 pm
No, Ukraine started the war, when it decided to overthrow their elected president and start attacking their own citizens of Donbass in 2014. Russia is trying to stop the war. For eight years Russia has been trying to get Ukraine to fulfill the Minsk agreements to stop the attacks, but it turned out that they never planned to fulfill them, even Angela Merkel admitted that they used that time to supply Ukraine with weaponry. That could only mean that they wanted to go to war with us.

P.S.: the world doesn't live by the rules of right or wrong, it lives by the rules of cause and consequences. The main condition of the independence of Ukraine was its neutral status, no NATO, no EU. They failed to keep that condition, here's the result. Besides, have you forgotten that USA started about 200 wars after WWII, including Vietnam, Iran, Afghanistan, and you still call Russia the villain? Hillary Clinton admitted they started a war in Afghanistan in order for the USSR to collapse. The US intelligence told the US government there isn't any chemical weapon in Iran, yet the government, including Joe Biden, proceeded by destroying Iran and stealing from it, including oil. Colin Powell and his vial, of course, was the reason the US attacked Afghanistan, and of course another lie from the government just to make an excuse for another attack. And you still believe the Russians are the bad guys. Looks to me you either didn't know about this or willfully ignorant, and I don't know which is worse

So take 10 things you say in typical world salads like this 2-3 things might be correct. You just dont have the right countries , the right timeline and the right presidents etc . And you call me ignorant for not knowing this when you are waaaaaaaaay off in the most basic facts possible.

Its like you are so far behind in the race that you think you are leading.

But yeah. We will not agree on anything here

PIERRE WOODMAN · Post by **PIERRE WOODMAN** » Wed Aug 30, 2023 10:53 pm

But at least when you want you can discuss in a normal way which is a good thing !!!

PW

MVitaly5 · Post by **MVitaly5** » Thu Aug 31, 2023 9:44 pm

The most popular journalist in the US, after his speeches, may follow Trump to 500 years in prison )).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q89Rzl9J5v4

I should note that on this forum I deliberately do not post any Russian sources, but deliberately post only adequate Western sources, which in a small number still remain in the Western media space.

MarkH · Post by **MarkH** » Fri Sep 01, 2023 10:27 pm

El Major wrote: ↑
Tue Aug 29, 2023 3:53 pm
Maybe because he is dishonest but its a known fact where you stand in this,

And why will it make it worse if Ukraine can better defend their own territory ?

dishonest?

Truth hurts, doesn't it?

Because many more will die and it will change nothing ? Only It will make this war longer...but its to hard to understand for U..
You can't write anything to disprove my words. Your only defense is calling everyone pro-russian. You have some Putin phobia that has been haunting you for some time and you can't deal with it, so you pour out your frustrations on us to make yourself worthy. You have come to believe so much in what you write, that you can't even accept anything other than your right.
Sad

El Major · Post by **El Major** » Fri Sep 01, 2023 11:13 pm

I htought we were done in this topic but ok.

I did disprove your words. Please pay attention. But please repeat your story about how you are neutreal you are and how much you love Ukraine but the regfugees from Ukraine are all assholes that dont care about their own country or Poland because one guy guy killed a girl DUI. And they will lose this war that Ukraine brought on themselves.

You hade soooooo many examples remember that proved this wave of crimes from the peole from Ukraine. Tip of the icebrug you said. And ended up with 1 .But one other guy lost his driving lissence DUI so

. Thankfully nobody in Russia Ukraine or Poland are driving under influence. Its just those damn ukrainan refugees.

Better you eleborate on your imaginary help of those refugees you hate so much

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