No, Ukraine started the war, when it decided to overthrow their elected president and start attacking their own citizens of Donbass in 2014. Russia is trying to stop the war. For eight years Russia has been trying to get Ukraine to fulfill the Minsk agreements to stop the attacks, but it turned out that they never planned to fulfill them, even Angela Merkel admitted that they used that time to supply Ukraine with weaponry. That could only mean that they wanted to go to war with us.

P.S.: the world doesn't live by the rules of right or wrong, it lives by the rules of cause and consequences. The main condition of the independence of Ukraine was its neutral status, no NATO, no EU. They failed to keep that condition, here's the result. Besides, have you forgotten that USA started about 200 wars after WWII, including Vietnam, Iran, Afghanistan, and you still call Russia the villain? Hillary Clinton admitted they started a war in Afghanistan in order for the USSR to collapse. The US intelligence told the US government there isn't any chemical weapon in Iran, yet the government, including Joe Biden, proceeded by destroying Iran and stealing from it, including oil. Colin Powell and his vial, of course, was the reason the US attacked Afghanistan, and of course another lie from the government just to make an excuse for another attack. And you still believe the Russians are the bad guys. Looks to me you either didn't know about this or willfully ignorant, and I don't know which is worse

I think you are a very confused young man that does not know the difference between Iran and Iraq and the fact Powell speech was ahead of the Iraq war in addion to having overall weird view on things so when you are this ignorant and call other people uninformed its a little bit funny . So probably no point in going fruther like Jean said.

I was just as critical of the Bush Jr administration starting the Iraq war based on lies as Im on Putin and Russia starting this war based on lies but you have a few that will blame every war on USA no matter how horrible Putin is and how many wars he starts

El Major wrote: ↑

Tue Aug 29, 2023 6:05 pm

I think you are a very confused young man that does not know the difference between Iran and Iraq and the fact Powell speech was ahead of the Iraq war in addion to having overall weird view on things so when you are this ignorant and call other people uninformed its a little bit funny . So probably no point in going fruther like Jean said.

I was just as critical of the Bush Jr administration starting the Iraq war based on lies as Im on Putin and Russia starting this war based on lies but you have a few that will blame every war on USA no matter how horrible Putin is and how many wars he starts

No, I'm not confused, you are, because I said about Powell and Afghanistan, not Iran and Iraq, I was talking about Iran and Biden, so please don't call me confused, I'm very clear when I said the USA have committed incredible atrocities based on lies after WWII, while Russia has always defended itself throughout the years of its existence. Those are the facts. Russia has never conquered other countries and made their colonies, it never treated the black people as slaves, it helped other countries when they asked for help. And I repeat, Russia didn't start the war. Ukraine's neutrality was the main condition of its independence but they ignored it anyway. By trying to get to NATO and the EU they overthrew Yanukovich, who wasn't to keen on joining the EU, replaced him with Poroshenko. Since he was more willing to go there, the Crimeans voted to go back to Russia, being an Autonomous republic, which means it decided whether or not they wanted to stay in Ukraine, because they didn't want that type of government, and Russia also couldn't let the EU and NATO to get the Russian navy. Not only the Crimea decided to leave Ukraine, Donbass did the same, and as a result for eight years has been attacked by its government. That's a fact. You can talk to any person from Donbass, they'll tell you that. But we both know you just won't do it. So don't tell me Russia started the war, the Ukraine did. Russia is trying to stop. And I bet it's gonna stop in, let's say, March 2024, then we can return to this topic, because, like you said, no point in going further

So to be clear. Its not the Iraq war under Bush Jr that bothers you but Biden and Iran?

And Powell had a big speech in the UN before the Iraq war but you are taking issues with his speech before Afghanistan? Please tell me about that one or give me a link because you still seem confused to me.

Fresh video about how Ukraine spends its time during the war, at your expense, European colleagues!!!
The video is in Russian, you can't put it on YouTube, because the latter bans such videos.

From the beginning we are shown a simple resident of the Ukrainian city of Ivano-Frankivsk, who came to Kiev and is puzzled how this is even possible. All over the country citizens of Ukraine are being forcefully mobilized for war, and Kiev lives as if there is no war. Young people in Kiev and Odessa are having fun at discos, in clubs, relaxing on beaches. And this is all on the money of European taxpayers, because there is no economy of Ukraine for a long time. When these images were seen by the Western patrons of Ukraine, they were speechless. After that, even Zelensky was forced to ask the major part of the Ukrainian population to have fun in a less boisterous way.

Next, we are shown how ordinary young men in provincial areas in Ukraine, are being dragged by force to military enrollment offices, who have no money to pay off. A Ukrainian woman tells us that young men in provincial regions of Ukraine are literally being kidnapped. They are caught in stores, public transportation, dragged by force out of their homes.

https://dzen.ru/video/watch/64dc8a98ab3 ... f7?f=video
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Y7YelDY1-zU

For reference.
According to the UN office, after the start of the armed conflict, the most Ukrainians were taken in by Russia - 2,852,395. Second on the list is Poland (1,563,386), followed by Germany (1,055,323), Czech Republic (486,133), Italy (169,306), Spain (161,012), United Kingdom (158,800), Bulgaria (151,712), France (118,994), Romania (110,901), Moldova (108,824) and Slovakia (107,199). In other countries, the number of arrivals from Ukraine does not exceed 100,000. These figures are constantly increasing. This number includes both real refugees (women and children) and those who were able to buy off mobilization to the army for money or bribe border guards to leave Ukraine through various corruption schemes.

So not only are they pushing Russia back but they are having fun doing it.

Ukrainian legends

El Major wrote: ↑

Tue Aug 29, 2023 7:40 pm

So not only are they pushing Russia back but they are having fun doing it.

Ukrainian legends

So if they are "pushing them back", why do they even need F-16? Well, here's your answer, they're not. If everything was successful, they wouldn't have needed cluster munitions, which is considered illegal and inhumane, or F-16

To push them back further obviously. Should be pretty simple to understand

Will be much easier to protect themselves while advancing

El Major wrote: ↑

Tue Aug 29, 2023 8:07 pm

To push them back further obviously. Should be pretty simple to understand

Will be much easier to protect themselves while advancing

What's easy to understand is if their so-called "counter-offensive" was effective and successful, they wouldn't have needed both cluster munitions and F-16. They would've used what they had, they would've retaken Bakhmut (Artemovsk). But no, they either flee to other countries because they don't want to die for the lost cause, or surrender to the Russians, and those are the lucky ones. If you're so sure that they're successful, why do they abandon their weapons for the Russians to pick them up?

The video is in Russian, but it still speaks for itself. I hope it'll work here:
https://yandex.ru/video/preview/14339961786155386522

For those who know German and are subscribers to this website, you might wanna take a look at this:
https://deutsche-wirtschafts-nachrichte ... heinmetall