I know I'm far to be a handsome boy, here there are no doubts but you do apologia of a system that everyone knows it brings the girl in a huge trap !
Just last week in Budapest they have arrested a group of people doing escort business between Dubaï and Europe ! Why do they make it for this and porn is legal in Hungary ?
Because in porn nobody GOT KIDNAPPED, RAPED, OBLIGED TO TAKE DRUG, DRINKING GLASS FULL OF SUBSTANCES, etc ... it's so simple !
Now from 4000 € you pass at 2500 a week and which means 4 x 7 = 28 mens !!!
So the girls are fucked for 90 € by client, what a good deal, trust me they get something else with my work !!!
And about condom smelt, I know what I speak about because I put my nose on many girls and my first information to know or not if a girl is a bitch when I cast them, it's this !!! Even after washing with soap they keep it ! ...

PW

PIERRE WOODMAN wrote:

PIERRE WOODMAN wrote: People forgive more a girl to do porn than be a real prostitute who suck 10 dirty men by day and get her pussy with condom smelt for the end of the life !!!

PW

And about condom smelt, I know what I speak about because I put my nose on many girls and my first information to know or not if a girl is a bitch when I cast them, it's this !!! Even after washing with soap they keep it ! ...

PW

Keep dis always on film set starting today!!!!

http://www.vulva-original.com

Problem solved!!!!

PIERRE WOODMAN wrote:I know I'm far to be a handsome boy, here there are no doubts but you do apologia of a system that everyone knows it brings the girl in a huge trap !

Really ?  I thought the first step to the trap was when the girl started to make porn. It's always the same argument: there's no difference of nature between porn and prostitution, only of degree.

PIERRE WOODMAN wrote:Just last week in Budapest they have arrested a group of people doing escort business between Dubaï and Europe ! Why do they make it for this and porn is legal in Hungary ?

Hmmm... Because the police had suspicions they were doing human trafficking ? But what does it have to do with a girl choosing by herself to make fast money by working one week as escort in a Vienna studio ?

PIERRE WOODMAN wrote:Because in porn nobody GOT KIDNAPPED, RAPED, OBLIGED TO TAKE DRUG, DRINKING GLASS FULL OF SUBSTANCES, etc ... it's so simple !

Once again you portray extreme situations of prostitution which has nothing to do with what we were talking now. It would be easy to do the exact same thing with porn.  

PIERRE WOODMAN wrote:Now from 4000 € you pass at 2500 a week and which means 4 x 7 = 28 mens !!! So the girls are fucked for 90 € by client, what a good deal, trust me they get something else with my work !!!

The 4000€ / 2 guys per day was if every guy choose to do it a la Woodman, that is with anal and video. For half an hour with kiss and blow job, they get 100€. And that's not 30 minutes of sex but 10 to 15 minutes at best and the rest of social time. The rest of the day, they just watch TV and chat with the other girls.
So 2800€ for 2 hours of work every day including 1 hour of sex. Some of them even enjoy it. 
  

PIERRE WOODMAN wrote:And about condom smelt, I know what I speak about because I put my nose on many girls and my first information to know or not if a girl is a bitch when I cast them, it's this !!! Even after washing with soap they keep it ! ...

For the end of the life ? Oh wait, last post it was a metaphor, but now it's litteral... I'm confused. You must be very good at mindfucking hungarian bitches... Thank god, I'm not one.

viktor666 wrote:

PIERRE WOODMAN wrote:Just last week in Budapest they have arrested a group of people doing escort business between Dubaï and Europe ! Why do they make it for this and porn is legal in Hungary ?

Hmmm... Because the police had suspicions they were doing human trafficking ? But what does it have to do with a girl choosing by herself to make fast money by working one week as escort in a Vienna studio ?

I can say the same about your post! This is also an example of "portraying extreme situations" (your words)! You cant be dis dumb to actually think that a girls in that low-class (yes low class!) prostitution/escort niche has a "free choice" of her own, do you?! The only (east euro/russian) girls (whores for the lack of a better word), who have a "free choice" are the ones that are to be found looking for suga daddies in the hotspots at the french riviera.

PIERRE WOODMAN wrote:Because in porn nobody GOT KIDNAPPED, RAPED, OBLIGED TO TAKE DRUG, DRINKING GLASS FULL OF SUBSTANCES, etc ... it's so simple !

viktor666 wrote: Once again you portray extreme situations of prostitution which has nothing to do with what we were talking now. It would be easy to do the exact same thing with porn.

 

PIERRE WOODMAN wrote:Now from 4000 € you pass at 2500 a week and which means 4 x 7 = 28 mens !!! So the girls are fucked for 90 € by client, what a good deal, trust me they get something else with my work !!!

viktor666 wrote: [...] For half an hour with kiss and blow job, they get 100€. And that's not 30 minutes of sex but 10 to 15 minutes at best and the rest of social time. The rest of the day, they just watch TV and chat with the other girls.
So 2800€ for 2 hours of work every day including 1 hour of sex. Some of them even enjoy it.

How do you know dis? Which clubs do you go to? NRW?
Do you know dis from your own personal expirience or did you only read about it.
You DO know that girls all act bubbly and cute only in order to get more clients, no?
Most are oscar winners for sure! So even if you think and they say they are cool, think again. Juss go wait outside when its opening time and see who brings them to these clubs and go wait and see at 2:00 at night who take them every day.It is also the happy girls. It is their JOB to sell a product, to sell a fantasy, thus to sell their pussy in the best way. Selling it wit sadness on their face wont help gather the necessary coins!

"Some of them even enjoy it". Laughing my ass off: Those who enjoy it fo sure are only the ones "whoring" in the hotspots in the french riviera etc. Girls like amirah who allegedly works in the lower class niche, or NRW girls, fo sure they (some) "enjoy it" (like you said). NOT!!! Sucking cock for 50 euros or 100. How can you like or enjoy that? I dont think so. Its true what you said about the average car prize at certain club parkinglots of these clubs are often 80 000 euros, but that doesnt leave the fact that they are juss sucking cock for 50 per half hour! or 150 per hour at most. Phucking & sucking a poor boi isnt that different from sucking a "rich" boi. Hygienically speaking, they are not necessarily on a higher level.
 

I quote Ricardo's text from an other forum:

If she doesn't have enough requests in the porn she must do escort, what she really don't like, and don't want.

So much about her having fun...

Of course somebody may say:
That is a statement from Ricardo not from Amirah, so it can be false... or it can be true... we do not know, because we do not / we can not ask her. We can discuss here for days but we´ll not know how Amirah is feeling about her work.
To be honest, i am a little curious what her answer would be.
But i will not send her an e-mail to find it out "Hey Amirah, some guys are discussing if you are having fun as an escort or not... so, what's your answer?"

WFX wrote:I can say the same about your post! This is also an example of "portraying extreme situations" (your words)! You cant be dis dumb to actually think that a girls in that low-class (yes low class!) prostitution/escort niche has a "free choice" of her own, do you?!

She has as much free choice as when she goes to porn producers like Woodman and co to shoot scenes for a few hundreds euros per day.

So, classicaly we move to another argument, which is about "the circumstances".  

WFX wrote:How do you know dis? Which clubs do you go to? NRW? Do you know dis from your own personal expirience or did you only read about it.

 
I went a few times to the Vienna studio where Amirah works in. Did you ? Last i checked, Vienna was not in the NRW. 

WFX wrote:You DO know that girls all act bubbly and cute only in order to get more clients, no? Most are oscar winners for sure! So even if you think and they say they are cool, think again. Juss go wait outside when its opening time and see who brings them to these clubs and go wait and see at 2:00 at night who take them every day.It is also the happy girls.

This is not a FKK, from what i know the girls sleep in the house. Sure, some of them probably have pimps, especially the so-called models. But i fell to understand how Amirah has come from "intelligent girl who wants to make porn on her free will because she wants to be financially independant" to "poor abused victim forced by a pimp to prostitute herself in a vienna brothel" in just one week.   

WFX wrote:It is their JOB to sell a product, to sell a fantasy, thus to sell their pussy in the best way. Selling it wit sadness on their face wont help gather the necessary coins!

Yep. And the porngirls who say that the porn life is so fucking cool because you know, everybody is no nice and friendly don't talk about it when their partner treat them like crap and when they have to go to the hospital because they have internal lesions in their ass. And they act all bubbly while receiving a DAP because there's a director who tells them to do so. Because it's their JOB to sell a product ! What was your point, exactly ?  

WFX wrote:"Some of them even enjoy it". Laughing my ass off: Those who enjoy it fo sure are only the ones "whoring" in the hotspots in the french riviera etc. Girls like amirah who allegedly works in the lower class niche, or NRW girls, fo sure they (some) "enjoy it" (like you said). NOT!!! Sucking cock for 50 euros or 100.

 
How many porn actress enjoy it after a few months/years ?  In 1 week she earns about 6 times the average hungarian monthly salary. How much does a young actress earn every week by making porn ? I'm not painting an all pink picture. I have no doubt that the circumstances must be though sometimes, but like in porn, i let the girl be the judge if it's worth it.  

Completely agree with victor666 on this.

There's no point in glorifying porn over prostitution - it's just a lame excuse in order to convince naive girls - the two are basically the same. Prostitution is not to be confused by human trafficking or slavery.

Other thing is no one is going to get rich enough just by working as a porn actress: either she climbs higher on the ladder or she takes on prostitution. It's basically all about circumstances and payment and of course publicity, that can make porn worse that prostitution (everyone will know you have sex for money if you are in porn, whereas in the case of prostitution only the clientele will).
Don't get me wrong, I personally believe both are wrong, these are just the simple facts.

WFX wrote:You DO know that girls all act bubbly and cute only in order to get more clients, no? Most are oscar winners for sure! So even if you think and they say they are cool, think again. Juss go wait outside when its opening time and see who brings them to these clubs and go wait and see at 2:00 at night who take them every day.It is also the happy girls.

This is not a FKK, from what i know the girls sleep in the house. Sure, some of them probably have pimps, especially the so-called models. But i fell to understand how Amirah has come from "intelligent girl who wants to make porn on her free will because she wants to be financially independant" to "poor abused victim forced by a pimp to prostitute herself in a vienna brothel" in just one week.   

Let me explain you how....

there is a pimp named Ricardo, whom knows this girl since more than a year. He know all the problems on around this girl. He knows more than anybody else in all this business about this girl. He already had problems a year ago when 4 bad looking guys made a visit at him, and told him to stop giving to Amirah porn works, because she belong to them.
I stopped the work with she, not because I got squared, only to not create problems to her. I was thinking, and she told me this is from the part of her parents...
Pierre promised to her will wait with the release of her casting until she solve her problems. He did exactly as he promised her. From last year october Amirah had other kind of problems, being a non-stop partygirl together with the other, sorry to tell like this "party scheleton" Ann Marie La Sante whom is influencing Amirah more than anybody else can do. Guess, how ?
She comed back this year in April, asking me to make her working again, she want to change, to have a normal life, and to become pornstar in case. She asked me to promote her, using my contacts in the media, to help her to gain enough money to continue the faculty she left, last year when she becomed partygirl.
She met Pierre, she met few other friends of mine, and convinced everybody she is mature, and can be responsable on her decisions. I asked her to sign an agreement on about never using the name Amirah Adara, and this image of adult model nowhere without my permission. We made together her facebook profile, and her page, I was managed everything, sometime answering all day long different questions, and stupid requests. She was only controlling sometime, and being happy she have more and more fans. I organised her intervieuws, and I was given to her advices how she have to answer to can create a sympathetic image.This started to work. But happened, to not have works 2 weeks, and ended with the money.Than she blackmailed me, she will start doing escort, if I don't make her working immediately somehow. I fixed her 1 scene with Pierre in the next 2 days but she could'nt show up at 1 pm. even in the next 3 hours, because she just waked up when I called her. And she was waiting to have to work....Next day I finded out she was meet another well known adult model agent from Hungary, whom told her to stop working with me because I am against making the girls escorting, and he doesn't want to get in trouble. But, if she will do from now the adult works through him, he will make her doing a lot of money with escort. Same day I started to get emails from people I am promoting a whore not a pornstar. I checked the website of this agency, and she was there. I tried to talk to her to think a bit about what she does before she just jump into the deep, and I was hoping she will use her mind. But now I'm sure she doesn't have mind to use, she's doing something because IT IS A MUST .....or she's under something else
If you need some more bibliography on this thread, just check the following topics from the beginning created by me:
with-pierre/she-waiting-meet-you-t2291.html
with-pierre/drug-addiction-could-tolera ... ilit=drugs

Ohhhhh now we have the pimps Victor and the priest Altiz doing alliance against me !!!
World is so funny ! Anyway guys I'm on the beach in a nice place and trust me anyway you can try to speak wrong will not affect me at all...
I just finished to fuck a great french girl and your story are just a joke !!!
All what Ricardo says is the sad truth !!! And I will not go deeper on the detail but Amirah as already some stigmates from the drugs she tooks !!! I try to convince her last time I met her to stay far away from Anne Marie La Santé and all people using that shit + staying far away from escort business but she did not listen me and now the fact is she's is inside a syphon !!!

PW

Atisz2 wrote:Completely agree with victor666 on this.

There's no point in glorifying porn over prostitution - it's just a lame excuse in order to convince naive girls - the two are basically the same. Prostitution is not to be confused by human trafficking or slavery.

Other thing is no one is going to get rich enough just by working as a porn actress: either she climbs higher on the ladder or she takes on prostitution. It's basically all about circumstances and payment and of course publicity, that can make porn worse that prostitution (everyone will know you have sex for money if you are in porn, whereas in the case of prostitution only the clientele will).
Don't get me wrong, I personally believe both are wrong, these are just the simple facts.

I must admit if a "Cleaver girl decide to seek for clients UNKNOWN" but not this way. Making yourself known, doesn't matter as who, or what, than using this opportunity, sending your known pictures to an escort website
This is my fuckin problem. If I would know why I promote her, I would never begun.
I'm not sure Boroka Balls is clean as Snow White, or a Dora Venter, or Angelina Crow, there are few girls started with me, and being managed by me years, becomed known, and fucked in hundreds of porn scenes, but nobody never finded them doing escort. So for me this mean to be PORNSTAR not the fact you were sucking 3 dicks, giving 2 intervieuws, but already when you have 400 fans, you start to suck they're dick in a Vienna whorehouse. Sorry, but this is how I feel. And probably there is a new generation of pornfans-they want to watch only those girls they can meet only in conventions, but in the same time they want them all fucking in a whorehouse, and getting interrested to watch a new one every day....