Your link don't work !!!

Anyway we already start to suffer in all europe with price flying up !!!

PW

About another lie from russian propaganda "always russian lands" And of course it's Ukraine was made by Lenin

How can russian propaganda be so stupid, all their fakes easy to check now

Look Pierro, I promised to ignore you, but this bullshit you've put out here is just too much for me to bear. It's beyond me.

You know what I'm gonna do now? I'll even post a link to your favorite European wikipedia about Kievan Rus'. Of course a lot of nonsense is written there, but even they do not allow themselves such primitive lies.

According to the Russian Primary Chronicle, the first ruler to start uniting East Slavic lands into what would become Kievan Rus' was Russian Prince Oleg (879-912). He extended his control from Novgorod south along the Dnieper river valley to protect trade from Khazar incursions from the east, and took control of the city of Kiev.

At the end of the 9th or beginning of the 10th century Askold and Dir ruled in Kiev. Their origins are disputed, perhaps they were of Varangian origin. But not Ukrainians for sure.
They were killed by Oleg of Novgorod in 882, who took control of Kiev.

Novgorod, I hope you Pierrot don't dispute that it's a Russian city? Or did you see the name "great Ukrina" or "velikoukry" there somewhere?

There are many versions of the origin of the city of Kiev itself? East Slavic, Scandinavian, Khazar, but definitely not Ukrainian.

In short, don't embarrass yourself anymore...


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kievan_Rus%27

OK Vitaly but imagine if today Macron was telling to Nederland :
" This country was ours in 1720 and this stupid Louis XV decided give it to you for free but now we want it back '


PW

PIERRE WOODMAN wrote: ↑

Sat Oct 15, 2022 8:10 pm

OK Vitaly but imagine if today Macron was telling to Nederland :
" This country was ours in 1720 and this stupid Louis XV decided give it to you for free but now we want it back '


PW

Pierre, I can assure you that if the territory of the modern state called Ukraine, which, to Pierro's knowledge, only arose in 1991, had not been subject to the processes that are taking place now, namely Ukrainian nationalism was not promoted and supported at the state level, Russophobia, the abolition of Russian culture and the banning of the Russian language, there would have been no genocide against the Russian population in Dombassa, Ukraine would not have sought NATO, an organization openly hostile to Russia, the junkie Zelensky would not have declared his desire for nuclear weapons in Ukraine, no one would have touched Ukraine. At least this is my belief. Well, there was one country, the Soviet Union, everyone was a brother: Ukrainians and Russians, why was it necessary to do what I have listed, when Ukraine became an independent state? My mother's side of the family is all from Ukraine, do you really think I can feel hatred towards Ukrainians and wish them harm?
I believe that Stalin had no need to take western Ukraine into the USSR after the end of World War II. Although these lands were also once ruled by the Russian Prince Daniel of Galicia (hence the name Galicia), but over time these territories ceased to be Russian, and subsequently became the source of the birth of Ukrainian nationalism, which now extends to the entire territory of Ukraine. A nice excursion into the history of these lands was given by JDR today in his post So how should Russia deal with these conditions? Do you have a more humane recipe? Share...

MVitaly5 wrote: ↑

Sat Oct 15, 2022 6:19 pm

alexus2 wrote: ↑

Sat Oct 15, 2022 6:02 pm

Well, we know that nuclear weapon is dangerous. Why does putin always mention using it? Sounds like a desperate man. Other countries going to war only use conventional weapon. Does he think that if he uses nuclear weapon other country wont retaliate? Is he using nuclear words to convince other country to negotiate with him. Sound very desperate to me.

No other country that goes to war in the western world mention nuclear weapon. In the cold war a mention of nuclear bomb convince everyone to negotiate with Russia. This time its different. No western country wants to negotiate with Russia. In fact they are calling his bluff. If its not a bluff,

I declare to you with full responsibility that all threats allegedly coming from Putin about Russia's use of nuclear weapons are coming from the Western media and politicians!
Putin, in his address to the Russians on September 23, 2022, mentioned it only once, reminding only of Russia's nuclear doctrine, that Russia will defend itself by any means possible, should there be a clear threat to Russia's security. I have said many times here that Russia's military doctrine talks about using nuclear weapons only as a retaliatory measure or when the very existence of the state is threatened!
I assure you that all this is deliberately hyped up by your lying media and politicians. If you can find me a link where Putin, (lately), apart from his speech of September 24, 2022, talks about nuclear weapons, much less threatens to use them, I am ready to publicly apologize to you here.

alexus2 wrote: ↑

Sat Oct 15, 2022 6:02 pm

....Russia will suffer greatly.

Well, to others, too, it won't be little...

https://news.yahoo.co.jp/articles/05b69 ... 14c?page=2

This is an interesting perspective. I will now go back to observing. I have to remind myself to not believe what western media is reporting.

pierro wrote: ↑

Sat Oct 15, 2022 7:24 pm

About another lie from russian propaganda "always russian lands"
kyiv.jpg

And of course it's Ukraine was made by Lenin

How can russian propaganda be so stupid, all their fakes easy to check now

Ukraine did not even exist before USSR, at least not as independent state! It's name is derived from Russian term for border area.

milster wrote: ↑

Sat Oct 15, 2022 11:35 pm

pierro wrote: ↑

Sat Oct 15, 2022 7:24 pm

About another lie from russian propaganda "always russian lands"
kyiv.jpg

And of course it's Ukraine was made by Lenin

How can russian propaganda be so stupid, all their fakes easy to check now

Ukraine did not even exist before USSR, at least not as independent state! It's name is derived from Russian term for border area.

Even under the Soviet Union Ukraine was not independent, and it was made a Soviet Republic, artificially expanding its borders and endowing, at different times, the regions of Novorossia, Bessarabia, and Crimea.
You are right about the term "Ukraine," it was derived from the Russian term "Okraina," that is, the edge (border) of the Russian Empire. People living in these territories of the Russian Empire began to call themselves by the name of the territory "Ukrainians.
The entire history of independent Ukraine goes back only to 1991!!!

Unfortunately, the map is only in Russian...

tango75jlb wrote: ↑

Sun Oct 16, 2022 6:57 am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DD533bjR-HM

Tango, si vous le voulez bien, pouvez-vous décrire brièvement ce qu'il dit ? Je n'ai pas trouvé de traduction russe ou anglaise du clip, et je ne comprends pas très bien le français.

Ah, tout Tango, merci, pas besoin. J'ai trouvé une brève description.