vks022 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 06, 2022 12:54 am
I am truly amazed that anyone can believe a free and fair election can result in 99% for one side. Its just not possible, just the anarchists and contratrians would stop it even getting close to that clean sweep. And then consider that we are talking about changing states Nationality, votes for change are even harder to pass.
If the pro russian posters truly have an open mind they would see the result and realize they are being scammed by Russian propoganda but they eat up everything hook line and sinker.
Makes them hard to believe on their posts.
Your problem is that you're sitting in an Eastern European country somewhere, watching your TV, and you don't understand shit.
People like you don't understand the psychology and prerequisites of this conflict. These territories, where referendums were held, have always been Russian-speaking, and Russian-speaking people have lived in them. These cities: Lugansk, Donetsk, Kherson, Zaporozhye, were created by Russian statesmen. Even the American Elon Musk, now realized that in these territories, they support Russia. And it was Ukraine itself that motivated the people in these territories by its own actions. In addition to eradicating the Russian language in recent years, forbidding people to speak it, study it, they decided to break by force those people who disagreed with it. They burned people alive in Odessa in 2014, started bombing cities in Dombass, destroyed the entire political opposition. Do you think after that, any of the people, would vote to stay living in Nazi Ukraine? Do you even have a shred of logic and common sense?
The residents of Kherson and Zaporizhzhya oblasts, at the beginning of their liberation by the Russian Federation, had significantly more people who would hesitate to join Russia. There are many interests that people in Ukraine may have: business, family ties, etc. It is very difficult to change one's life abruptly. But when people in these territories saw how they were treated by Ukraine, which is constantly bombing the cities of Kherson and Zaporozhye regions, there were very few such doubters.
Further, people are only people!
Many just want to live a normal and free life. And they can get this only in Russia, no matter what the Western media and politicians say about Russia. Those who don't want to go to Russia are mainly people from Western Ukraine who went to Europe, but not many people want to stay in Ukraine. You can lie a lot about Russia, but when refugees from Ukraine saw with their own eyes that people in Russia live much better, they don't want to go back to Ukraine.
Note that Russia has long been rebuilding the cities that suffered in the war. Mariupol has already been rebuilt halfway through. New schools, hospitals, kindergartens, apartment buildings have already been built.
And what has Ukraine built? In Bucha and Irpen were fought at the beginning of the war, so Ukraine has not even begun to restore anything, only foreign delegations take there on excursions. People see all this and draw their own conclusions!
Recently, the Ukrainian Army has entered several settlements abandoned by the Russian Army. So these settlements are empty, with absolutely no inhabitants! All inhabitants fled from these towns, away from their "fellow liberators". And they are fleeing to Russia! Even Western journalists admit it. The infrastructure of these cities was practically destroyed after the shelling of the Ukrainian Army.
And you still have doubts why people don't want to live in fake Ukraine and under the Nazi-comic political regime in Ukraine? More than 10 million people have left Ukraine in recent years. Do you think they all left from the war? There is no fighting in Western and Central Ukraine, but people are still leaving Ukraine: to Europe, to Russia! Ask yourself why, and try to answer it logically, if you can...
