Salut! il serai temps d'accepter que la propagande est partout,,,en Russie comme en Europe, states etc... tout ce qu'il va à l'encontre de nos chers psychopates que l'on apelle "eilte" et ceci depuis des siècles est réprimé de differentes facons selon les états en utilisant la propagande.
La geopolitiques est une merde sans nom qui fait pourtant partie de notre réalitémais tout le monde trouve ca normal.
Perso je prefererai un Super Hunger Games ou les participants seraient nos elites vat en guerre! s'ils souhaient le sang alors allez y!

Perso je trouve la position de Pierre assez equilibrée...

Peckatswe wrote: ↑

Wed Apr 27, 2022 9:20 am

Salut! il serai temps d'accepter que la propagande est partout,,,en Russie comme en Europe, states etc...

of course... and usa and russia are both the same in using other nations for their goals.
But for some russia is the peaceful paradise and only the rest is bad.

Apollo13 wrote: ↑

Wed Apr 27, 2022 10:13 am

Peckatswe wrote: ↑

Wed Apr 27, 2022 9:20 am

Salut! il serai temps d'accepter que la propagande est partout,,,en Russie comme en Europe, states etc...

of course... and usa and russia are both the same in using other nations for their goals.
But for some russia is the peaceful paradise and only the rest is bad.

In Europe it is probably more than 90% the opposite, thinking we are the "good" side!

Peckatswe wrote: ↑

Wed Apr 27, 2022 9:20 am

Salut! il serai temps d'accepter que la propagande est partout,,,en Russie comme en Europe, states etc... tout ce qu'il va à l'encontre de nos chers psychopates que l'on apelle "eilte" et ceci depuis des siècles est réprimé de differentes facons selon les états en utilisant la propagande.
La geopolitiques est une merde sans nom qui fait pourtant partie de notre réalitémais tout le monde trouve ca normal.
Perso je prefererai un Super Hunger Games ou les participants seraient nos elites vat en guerre! s'ils souhaient le sang alors allez y!

Perso je trouve la position de Pierre assez equilibrée...

You see, it's not just about propaganda.
Propaganda is needed for those who cannot think independently, analytically and logically, for young people who lack knowledge, life experience and the ability to work with information. Propaganda is a beautiful word, which many have adopted, because in today's world, there is indeed a strong overabundance of information flow and in such an information field, people are simply lost.
I will now talk about myself, maybe someone will find it immodest, so I emphasize at once that this is my purely personal and subjective opinion.
I don't need anybody's propaganda, not Russian, not European, not American, not Madagascar... I don't draw any definitive conclusions from the information coming from the media. That is, of course I analyze information coming from media, but I am very selective in my choice of sources, I don't limit myself to specific sources, I always analyze alternative sources. Further, I have always prioritized only documentary sources of information, that is, information from specific documents, references, testimonies and eyewitnesses. By virtue of my profession, as a military analyst and historian, I have in the past traveled to many countries in Asia, Africa, the Middle East and Europe, where I worked in military historical archives, military veteran and diplomatic organizations. For this reason the modern interpretation of many historical events, does not withstand any criticism.
As far as the Russian-Ukrainian question is concerned, I do not use information from the mass media. I will not now enter into an excursus of Ukrainian history, it is long, and I have already written about it briefly. I am guided by the fact that almost all the processes in Ukraine over the past 30 years, took place in front of my eyes. I have many relatives, friends, military and even politicians in Ukraine. I have studied all these processes, worked with people, that I could write a book about it myself. I say this because I don't need information from the media to form my opinion. I am sincerely convinced that our cause is right. Yes, like any person, I can be biased or sincerely deluded about something. But it certainly won't be enough to change my mind about anything, just a stream of information vomit from the media.
Now for the media. I will only talk about the world's well-known media, excluding social networks, bloggers and other sources. Again, maybe this is my subjective opinion, but if I draw an analogy between the Russian and Western media, I make the following conclusions. Yes, there is mostly biased information everywhere. But Russian information channels will rather ignore and not broadcast unpleasant for the Russians news, they will give out mainly biased information, but will not stoop, I underline intentionally, to outright lie. The modern Western media, I will now speak of the well-known media resources of the United States and Europe, is simply an "empire of lies. The openly ordered work of Western publications is half the trouble, but when CNN, The New York Times, Deutsche Welle, La Stampa and many others publish horrible images from Donetsk (Dombass) and pass them off as Kiev, it is simply outrageous blasphemy and unprincipled. And they do it intentionally, knowing that it is a lie! And there are many such examples of blatant lies. And these media do not even care about their reputation, which is not surprising, most Americans consider CNN to be an outright lying information dump.
Therefore, I sometimes get the impression that many opponents here on the forum, make their conclusions from their media, and some do not even filter sources, and use sources from social networks, free encyclopedia and other third-rate "yellow" publishers. Some people simply benefit from this or that information for their opinion, who are initially negative about anything or anyone.

Vitaly, you are absolutely right, some people here are on the level of comic books and its difficult to argue with them

Thank god the invasion of russia by ??? was prevented - i would rotflmao if it would not be so sad, that people really believe that shit

I really hope that no one of smart people here and all over the world NEVER trust people like Vitaly and other russian propogandon at this forum or anywhere else. Hope such messages will work only for russian. You may live with this bullshits in your heads happily, looks like it can easily replaced your brains.

Apollo13 wrote: ↑

Wed Apr 27, 2022 3:37 pm

Thank god the invasion of russia by ??? was prevented - i would rotflmao if it would not be so sad, that people really believe that shit

You will "weep" even more when you are shown testimonies of captured Ukrainian officers who say that in late February and early March 2022, a large-scale offensive of Ukrainian troops in Dombass and Crimea (Russian territory!) was being prepared.
Russia simply learned about it from intelligence and pre-empted the events, saving the lives of hundreds of thousands of Dombassians.

And here is the direct documentary evidence.
The original of the secret order of Colonel General Nikolai Balan, commander of the National Guard of Ukraine, dated January 22. This document was addressed to the chiefs of the northern Kyiv, southern Odessa and western territorial departments of the National Guard of Ukraine. This order was communicated to the commanders of the management bodies of the National Guard of Ukraine. It details the plan for the preparation of one of the strike groups for offensive actions in the zone of the so-called "combined forces operation" in Donbass. According to the order the deputy commander of the National Guard was to organize the combat readiness of the battalion and tactical group of the National Guard from February 7 to 28, 2022.
Excuse me, but I give the link to the sources that publish this order, your sources of information, of course this will never be published.
The order is in Ukrainian, because it is original.
https://www.kp.ru/daily/27374/4555720/
https://www.kp.ru/online/news/4657111/

MVitaly5 wrote: ↑

Wed Apr 27, 2022 4:19 pm

You will "weep" even more when you are shown testimonies of captured Ukrainian officers who say that in late February and early March 2022, a large-scale offensive of Ukrainian troops

Of course they were happy to tell this story without pressure or worse...that does only do the AFU with captured russian soldiers .. am i right?

MVitaly5 wrote: ↑

Wed Apr 27, 2022 4:19 pm

Dombass and Crimea (Russian territory!)

Ukrainian territory
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian–U ... the_treaty

Apollo13 wrote: ↑

Wed Apr 27, 2022 5:25 pm

Of course they were happy to tell this story without pressure or worse...that does only do the AFU with captured russian soldiers .. am i right?

Even Western sources are full of clips showing atrocities against captured Russian servicemen: they are shot in the kneecaps, their throats are cut. Nazi sadists purposely videotape their atrocities and post them online.
https://youtu.be/T8tAQxcYyvs
https://youtu.be/tfEWvWmiIpE
Ukrainian military prisoners are not even close to being treated this way, and there are already thousands of them in captivity. They are fed, watered, and given medical care.

Apollo13 wrote: ↑

Wed Apr 27, 2022 5:25 pm

Ukrainian territory
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian–U ... the_treaty

Don't worry, soon even your Nazi government will officially recognize Crimea as Russian sovereign territory, if that government survives at all. A second "Nuremberg Trials" awaits your government.
As for the wikipedia links, I've already told you everything. I won't even open it.