RUSSIA - UKRAINE 2022 CONFLICT
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Trust me if their own families were somehow caught in the same tragedy and suffered the same fate as Ukrainians, the people here would not be singing this same song they have been doing along. All's cool because it's other peoples families and not theirs
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Главная проблема в том, что я уже подробно объяснил здесь про Мариуполь, и все проблемы связанные с ним. Во всяком случае свое видение ситуации. А Мариуполь находится в 150 километрах от моего дома и людей оттуда, я сейчас вижу из окна своего дома, которых бесконечными колонами автобусов, привозят в Ростов-на-Дону. Но вам плевать на это, вам это мнение не интересно. Вам "виднее", сидя на кресле в Париже и смотреть талевизор, где траслируются ваши каналы. Оно для вас "тошнотворно". Ну что же, от тошноты примите таблетку и сходите в туалет. Ту я бессилен. Во всяком случае, относительно лично вас, я давно понял, что вам что то доказывать это неблагодарная затея.El Major wrote: ↑Sat Apr 02, 2022 10:43 amThere is opinions and there is facts. And you can try to sound as intellectual as you want but your russian propaganda is straight up embarrassing and sickening. We can actually see cities like Mariupol being destroyed and rockets hitting civilians in many other cities.
But your objective opinion will try to tell us Ukraine is bombing themselves... OK then
The main problem is that I have already explained here in detail about Mariupol and all the problems associated with it. At least my vision of the situation. And Mariupol is 150 kilometers from my home and I can see people from there from the window of my house who are brought to Rostov-on-Don by endless columns of buses. But you don't care about that, you're not interested in this opinion. You "see better", sitting in an armchair in Paris and watching TV, where your channels are broadcast. It's "nauseating" to you. Well, for nausea take a pill and go to the bathroom. I'm powerless. Anyway, regarding you personally, I realized a long time ago that it's a thankless endeavor to prove anything to you.
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This is something you wrote yesterday :MVitaly5 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 02, 2022 11:07 amГлавная проблема в том, что я уже подробно объяснил здесь про Мариуполь, и все проблемы связанные с ним. Во всяком случае свое видение ситуации. А Мариуполь находится в 150 километрах от моего дома и людей оттуда, я сейчас вижу из окна своего дома, которых бесконечными колонами автобусов, привозят в Ростов-на-Дону. Но вам плевать на это, вам это мнение не интересно. Вам "виднее", сидя на кресле в Париже и смотреть талевизор, где траслируются ваши каналы. Оно для вас "тошнотворно". Ну что же, от тошноты примите таблетку и сходите в туалет. Ту я бессилен. Во всяком случае, относительно лично вас, я давно понял, что вам что то доказывать это неблагодарная затея.El Major wrote: ↑Sat Apr 02, 2022 10:43 amThere is opinions and there is facts. And you can try to sound as intellectual as you want but your russian propaganda is straight up embarrassing and sickening. We can actually see cities like Mariupol being destroyed and rockets hitting civilians in many other cities.
But your objective opinion will try to tell us Ukraine is bombing themselves... OK then
The main problem is that I have already explained here in detail about Mariupol and all the problems associated with it. At least my vision of the situation. And Mariupol is 150 kilometers from my home and I can see people from there from the window of my house who are brought to Rostov-on-Don by endless columns of buses. But you don't care about that, you're not interested in this opinion. You "see better", sitting in an armchair in Paris and watching TV, where your channels are broadcast. It's "nauseating" to you. Well, for nausea take a pill and go to the bathroom. I'm powerless. Anyway, regarding you personally, I realized a long time ago that it's a thankless endeavor to prove anything to you.
All the "military successes" of the Ukrainian army are sabotage attacks in the rear of the Russian army, which disguise themselves as civilians, and then attack supply columns. Hence some losses and captures of Russian servicemen. Yesterday in Novocherkassk, Russia, they buried a female paramedic who was simply providing medical aid to wounded servicemen, including Ukrainian POWs. She died relatively far from the front line in the rear of the Russian Army, when Ukrainian saboteurs attacked a column with red crosses.
The losses of the Russian Army could have been less if the Russian Army had fought like the US and NATO, would have carpet-bombed all populated areas, then would have brought in troops, stepping over the corpses of civilians. A military special operation would have been over long ago, given the complete air supremacy of the Russian Air Force, the entire Ukrainian army could have been buried in the ground by now. But the Russian Army fights very carefully, because it frees the inhabitants to live with and the territory to rebuild. But the Nazis of the Ukrainian Army do not care about civilians, because they use the terrorist tactics of ISIS, developed by the US and British intelligence services, to hide behind civilians and set up firing points on the roofs of residential buildings, in schools, hospitals and kindergartens. And it is very difficult to get them out of there without the use of heavy weapons. All documentary evidence of this will later be presented to the world community.
So the ukraine army and people are terrorists nazis and Russia are angels. We can not trust what the Ukraine people or media but all the truth will come later from you and the russian media.
Please tell me again you are objective . Its russian propaganda . By your logic russian media where you will get jailtime for telling anything but the kreml talking points are more objective than western media.
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ПРАВДА ВСЕГДА ВОЗОБЛАДАЕТ! ОНА НЕ ИЗБЕЖНА!
THE TRUTH WILL ALWAYS PREVAIL! IT CANNOT BE AVOIDED!
THE TRUTH WILL ALWAYS PREVAIL! IT CANNOT BE AVOIDED!
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The first step is probably admitting and allowing your own people to say you are in a war.
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Это, действительно горькая правда. Русский, а украинский и русский, я считаю одним народом, действительно воюет на Украине, как с одной, так и с другой стороны. Свою вину, я чувствую только в том, что с момента распада Советского Союза, мы ничего не делали на Украине, чтобы помешать США и НАТО, стравить сейчас братские народы...
This, indeed, is the bitter truth. Russian, and I consider Ukrainian and Russian to be one people, are indeed at war in Ukraine, on both sides. The only thing I feel guilty about is that since the collapse of the Soviet Union, we have done nothing in Ukraine to prevent the U.S. and NATO from now pitting brotherly peoples against each other...
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I just saw footage from Ukraine soldiers . Before this they had russian friends. Now they hate the russians. This is tragic obioulsy but they did not blame USA or NATO for russians bombing them and killing their people. They blamed the russians and PutinMVitaly5 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 02, 2022 11:48 amЭто, действительно горькая правда. Русский, а украинский и русский, я считаю одним народом, действительно воюет на Украине, как с одной, так и с другой стороны. Свою вину, я чувствую только в том, что с момента распада Советского Союза, мы ничего не делали на Украине, чтобы помешать США и НАТО, стравить сейчас братские народы...
This, indeed, is the bitter truth. Russian, and I consider Ukrainian and Russian to be one people, are indeed at war in Ukraine, on both sides. The only thing I feel guilty about is that since the collapse of the Soviet Union, we have done nothing in Ukraine to prevent the U.S. and NATO from now pitting brotherly peoples against each other...
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Вы можете видеть кого хотите и думать, что хотите. Вам, по вашему телевизору, показывают то, что вам надо и нужно знать и ничего более. Я тоже много кого вижу, причем многих из них лично и общаюсь. И мнение этих людей с Украины кардинально другое, чем то, что вам показывают.
You can see who you want and think what you want. You, on your television, are shown what you need and want to know and nothing more. I, too, see a lot of people, many of whom I see in person and talk to. And the opinion of these people from Ukraine is radically different from what you are shown.
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Actually I dont want to know any of this. Its all horrible. Unlike you I have through my newspapers and tv not only the information my govenment wants me to have.MVitaly5 wrote: ↑Sat Apr 02, 2022 12:08 pmВы можете видеть кого хотите и думать, что хотите. Вам, по вашему телевизору, показывают то, что вам надо и нужно знать и ничего более. Я тоже много кого вижу, причем многих из них лично и общаюсь. И мнение этих людей с Украины кардинально другое, чем то, что вам показывают.
You can see who you want and think what you want. You, on your television, are shown what you need and want to know and nothing more. I, too, see a lot of people, many of whom I see in person and talk to. And the opinion of these people from Ukraine is radically different from what you are shown.
So this way I not only hear about russians soldiers raping ukrainian women but also there are cases in my neighbour countires and my own country a copiuple of disgusting cases of ukraine refugees being raped in western countries.
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Послушайте, я уже немного подустал с беседой лично с вами. В отличии от вас, я хотя бы иногда пытаюсь, выкладывать факты и аргументы, подкрепленные какими-то фотографиями, ссылками на документальные источники, видеоссылки... У вас же одни эмоции, и истовая убежденность в своих эмоциях. Берите пример с других участников форума, они хотя бы ссылаются на что-то конкретное. Это уже неконструктивная дискуссия, а просто никому ненужная полемика и флуд. По этому предлагаю, ограничить коммуникацию хотя бы между нами лично. Я не вижу для себя ничего интересного и полезного в разговоре между нами. Когда будет с вашей стороны, какой-либо конструктив, можем продолжить...El Major wrote: ↑Sat Apr 02, 2022 12:19 pmActually I dont want to know any of this. Its all horrible. Unlike you I have through my newspapers and tv not only the information my govenment wants me to have.
So this way I not only hear about russians soldiers raping ukrainian women but also there are cases in my neighbour countires and my own country a copiuple of disgusting cases of ukraine refugees being raped in western countries.
Look, I'm getting a little tired of talking to you personally. Unlike you, I at least sometimes try to lay out facts and arguments, supported by some photos, links to documentary sources, video links... But you have only emotions, and a sincere conviction of your emotions. Take the example of other forum participants, at least they refer to something specific. This is not a constructive discussion, but simply unnecessary polemics and flooding. For this reason, I propose to limit communication at least between us personally. I see nothing interesting and useful in the conversation between us. When there will be from your side, any constructive, we can continue...