PIERRE WOODMAN wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 01, 2022 5:40 pm

30 men have stopped the 60 Km long equipment from Russians ....

Откуда такая информация? Ничего подобного и близко не было.

Where does this information come from? Nothing like that ever happened.

PIERRE WOODMAN wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 01, 2022 5:40 pm

Ukrainian general in interview who explained that this good result from the Ukrainian army against Russian was because of the material and great training NATO gave them since ... 2014 !!!

Если верить украинским генералам, так они уже у Москвы стоят...
Все это чушь и вранье.
За месяц боевых действий, украинская армия, не осуществила ни одной курупной контрнаступательной операции. 80% их военной техники уничтожено. Если бы страны НАТО, не поставляли бы украинской армии, почти все имеющееся у них стрелковой вооружение, то армия Украины уже палками воевала бы. Все "военные успехи" украинской армии, это диверсионные вылазки в тылу Российской Армии, которые маскируются под мирных жителей, а потом нападают на колоны обеспечения. Отсуда и некоторые потери и попадания в плен российских военнослужащих. Вчера в Новочеркасске (Россия), похоронили девушку-фельдшера, которая просто оказывала медицинскую помощь раненным военнослужащим, в том числе и украинским пленным военнослужащим. Она погибла относительно далеко от линии фронта в тылу Российской Армии, при нападении украинских диверсантов на колону с красными крестами.
Потери Российской Армии, приведенные в таблице, согласно источникам НАТО, не соответствуют действительности и чрезмерно завышены. Если бы такие потери имели место, то в современной России их скрыть было бы невозможно от общественности, и уже был бы крайне негативный общественный резонанс в России. Потери конечно есть, но они несоизмеримо меньше чем у украинской армии, с учетом еще того, что на Украине, действует крайне ограниченная группировка Российской Армии, которая была значительно меньше Украинской Армии перед войной. А вот Украинской руководство тщательно скрывает свои потери, а скорее просто не знает о них, потому что абсолютно не контролирует обстановку на фронтах. Тут дело в простой логике. В одном Мариуполе, который давно в окружении, находилось 20000-25000 украинских военнослужащих, которые на настоящий момент практически уничтожены, а Мариуполь практически полностью зачищен. А Домбасская группировка Украинской Армии, которая практически в окружении, на начало операции, насчитывала около 120000 военнослужащих. На настоящий момент осталось около 60%.
Потери Российской Армии могли быть и меньше если бы Российская Армия воевала, как США и НАТО, ковровыми бомбардировка сравнивала бы с землей все населенные пункты, потом вводила бы войска, переступая через трупы мирных жителей. Военная спецоперация уже давно бы закончилась с учетом полного господства в воздухе Российской Авиации, можно было бы уже всю украинскую армию заровнять в землю. Но Российская Армия воюет крайне аккуратно, потому что освобождает жителей с которыми ей жить потом и территрию, которую придется потом восстанавливать. А вот нацистам с украинской армии, как раз наплевать на мирных жителей, потому что они используя террористическую тактику ИГИЛ, разработанную спецслужбами США и Британии, прикрываясь мирными жителями, оборудывает огневые точки на крышах жилых домов, в школах, больницах и детских садах. И выковыривать их оттуда очень непросто без применения тяжелого вооружения. Все документальные доказательства этого будут впоследствии представлены мировой общественности.

If we believe the Ukrainian generals, they are already standing in front of Moscow...
This is all nonsense and lies.
In one month of combat operations, the Ukrainian army has not carried out a single major counteroffensive operation. 80% of their military equipment has been destroyed. If NATO countries did not supply the Ukrainian army with almost all the small arms they have, the Ukrainian army would be fighting with sticks by now. All the "military successes" of the Ukrainian army are sabotage attacks in the rear of the Russian army, which disguise themselves as civilians, and then attack supply columns. Hence some losses and captures of Russian servicemen. Yesterday in Novocherkassk, Russia, they buried a female paramedic who was simply providing medical aid to wounded servicemen, including Ukrainian POWs. She died relatively far from the front line in the rear of the Russian Army, when Ukrainian saboteurs attacked a column with red crosses.
The Russian Army losses shown in the table, according to NATO sources, do not correspond to reality and are overstated. If such losses had occurred, it would have been impossible to hide them from the public in today's Russia, and there would already have been an extremely negative public response in Russia. Of course there are losses, but they are incommensurably less than those of the Ukrainian army, taking into account the fact that there is an extremely limited grouping of the Russian army in Ukraine, which was much smaller than the Ukrainian army before the war. But the Ukrainian leadership carefully hides its losses, or rather simply does not know about them, because it has absolutely no control over the situation at the fronts. Here it is a matter of simple logic. In Mariupol alone, which has long been surrounded, there were 20,000-25,000 Ukrainian servicemen, which at the moment are practically destroyed, and Mariupol is almost completely mopped up. And the Dombasskaya grouping of the Ukrainian Army, which is practically surrounded, at the beginning of the operation, had about 120,000 troops. At the moment about 60% remained.
The losses of the Russian Army could have been less if the Russian Army had fought like the US and NATO, would have carpet-bombed all populated areas, then would have brought in troops, stepping over the corpses of civilians. A military special operation would have been over long ago, given the complete air supremacy of the Russian Air Force, the entire Ukrainian army could have been buried in the ground by now. But the Russian Army fights very carefully, because it frees the inhabitants to live with and the territory to rebuild. But the Nazis of the Ukrainian Army do not care about civilians, because they use the terrorist tactics of ISIS, developed by the US and British intelligence services, to hide behind civilians and set up firing points on the roofs of residential buildings, in schools, hospitals and kindergartens. And it is very difficult to get them out of there without the use of heavy weapons. All documentary evidence of this will later be presented to the world community.

PIERRE WOODMAN wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 01, 2022 5:40 pm

I listened a very interesting interview of a french General who explained the Russian always start the same way in every war, they use the old weapons ( not modern enough to be top precise like the Israelian for instance ) old Tank and truck and the less experienced warriors, often very young , and a small quantity ( 140 000 ) !!!

Этот французский генерал явно не очень умный человек, раз несет такую чушь. Ну Вы сами подумайте, какой политик-самоубийца в России, будет сейчас бросать в бой молодых и неопытных солдат. Чтобы завалить российских матерей трупами? Блять, ну что в голове у этих людей, которые этот бред несут? Ну явно люди, мыслят стереотипами России начала 90-х годов, когда идиот Ельцин, послал солдат срочной службы в Чечню. Ну в настоящее время это в принципе невозможно. Путин отдал четкий приказ: "Никаких солдат срочной службы в спецоперации на Украине".
Это лишний раз доказывает абсолютный непрофессионализм современных западных аналитиков и экспертов по России.

This French general is obviously not a very smart man, since he is talking such nonsense. Well, think about it, what suicidal politician in Russia would throw young and inexperienced soldiers into battle now. To pelt Russian mothers with corpses? What the fuck is in the heads of these people who are talking this nonsense? Obviously people think in terms of the stereotypes of Russia in the early 90s, when the idiot Yeltsin sent conscripts to Chechnya. At present this is impossible in principle. Putin gave a clear order: "No conscripts in special operations in Ukraine.
This once again proves the absolute unprofessionalism of modern Western analysts and experts on Russia.

PIERRE WOODMAN wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 01, 2022 5:40 pm

This conflict is just at the begining and the lower level ...

I listened a very interesting interview of a french General who explained the Russian always start the same way in every war, they use the old weapons ( not modern enough to be top precise like the Israelian for instance ) old Tank and truck and the less experienced warriors, often very young , and a small quantity ( 140 000 ) !!!
Now lot of people think they are beaten by Ukrainian, which is true in some point ( 30 men have stopped the 60 Km long equipment from Russians ) but the next step is probably less positive !!!
It looks like they will wait the ground to be more dry with a better weather in order make a new huge wave and take Kiev.
Actually half of the Ukrainian army is in the south east near Mariopol etc ...

The worst scenario in my opinion will be an humiliation feeling from Putin and a bad reaction !!!

Also I read some people laugh about my prediction of an arrangement between Russia, China and India in order explose the dollar and Euro ... but yesterday on French new they even said the worst is on the way, Middle orient refuse follow USA request about oil production and now most african countries are on the side of Russia.
So soon it will be maybe USA, UK and Europe against the rest of the world ... making on an economic aspect all collapse and destroy us like nobody can even tell the level !!!

I hope EU will use a bit more their brains than they did this first month of war because we have already lost so much and what make me jump from my seat was when there was an Ukrainian general in interview who explained that this good result from the Ukrainian army against Russian was because of the material and great training NATO gave them since ... 2014 !!!
If it was a simple soldier telling this OK but for a full month all TV says the attack of Putin wasn't justified as NATO was never in Ukrain and now they have no shame to tell the opposite on one of the first french TV channel !!!

We are ALL used as puppet for the global interest of right or left side who swallow everything on their way until there are money to do !!! Million of death doesn't count for all big ones of this world and the best is many sheeps in the population are supporting them !!!


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PW

I agree with you a couple of things . The less than impressive russian millitary effort so far and the fear that this is not over when the weather changes and it might be easier to move the millitary convoy. Blocking roads and attacing the millitary convoi is obviously easier when its mainly on the roads. Much harder for Ukraine to defend Kiev etc later if this war contiune for months I fear.

No idea where you have take 30 men form though.

Other than that I really wish you would not be so hysterical and be so quick to go back to your conspiricy therories and small news snippets to support your theory thats this is all some part of big plan and we are all some puppets etc...

I highly doubt even you actually belive that China India together with Afcrica are somehow going to make USA Great Britain and Europe to collapse becasue of this thing you are talking about.

And even worse you are now seem to go back to that this is somehow EU and NATOs fault and Russia and Putins war is justified becasue they have recived weapons and a small number of millitary personel have been training Ukraine forces.

You make it sound sensational and seem like NATO has a deployed an army there . Finland and Sweden are currently training with NATO. This does not mean Finland are now with NATO on the border of Russia and a threat. Russia was invited to observe this military exercise but declined. I mean Trump was impeached for holding back weapons to Ukraine to defend themselves . This is not something new or big news and a reason to go to war for Russia.

I really wish you would limit Vitaly or close this thread if this carpet bombing of Russian propganda is back though . Painting a picture of nazi ukraine army and pepole fightng like cowards against the saints of Russia is sickening to have to read when you can see bombing and destruction of Ukraine. I mean we can all hear Ukraine refugees talk in our respective countries and I trust them a bit more than russian propaganda.

Vitaly is now denying conscripts are fighting in Ukraine even though The Russian Defense Ministry has admitted this and that some of them are now captured .

This French general is obviously not a very smart man, since he is talking such nonsense

Sorry Vitaly but he is right in my opinion and at same time the TV showed a good documentary about Alep in Syria to confirm what he said. It's also obvious there was a lot of problems for Russians with the logistic and so many civilians died because of that which is terrible.
But also Ukrainians did a lot of mistakes and killed innocent people. This is war and in all war we have more or less the same tragic situation with collateral damages taking many lives they should never have !!!

When I see how looks Mariopol now I'm just petrified and sad for all people there ... It's a huge crime to have transformed beautiful this beautiful city in a ruin with so many souls passing away ...

PW

El Major wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 01, 2022 11:41 pm

I really wish you would limit Vitaly or close this thread if this carpet bombing of Russian propganda is back though . Painting a picture of nazi ukraine army and pepole fightng like cowards against the saints of Russia is sickening to have to read when you can see bombing and destruction of Ukraine. I mean we can all hear Ukraine refugees talk in our respective countries and I trust them a bit more than russian propaganda.

Вот она, и вся ваша сущность, якобы "свободных, демократических представителей западного мира", заблокировать любую альтернативную и противопоставляющую вашей, другую точку зрения, учитывая еще то, сколько оскорблений я тут выслушал о России.

That's your whole essence, supposedly "free, democratic representatives of the Western world," to block any alternative and opposing viewpoint to yours, given how many insults I've heard here about Russia.

El Major wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 01, 2022 11:41 pm

Vitaly is now denying conscripts are fighting in Ukraine even though The Russian Defense Ministry has admitted this and that some of them are now captured .

Да, был единичный случай, нахождения призывников в тылу в колонах обеспечения. На это последовала жесточайщая реакция руководства государства, и некоторые военные руководителя были привлечены вплоть до уголовной ответственности. Сейчас это абсолютно исключенно, в боевых действиях принимают только профессиональные военные.

Yes, there was an isolated case of conscripts in the rear in supply columns. This was followed by the harshest reaction of the state leadership, and some military leaders were prosecuted, up to and including criminal responsibility. Now this is absolutely ruled out, only professional military personnel are involved in combat operations.

PIERRE WOODMAN wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 01, 2022 5:40 pm

This conflict is just at the begining and the lower level ...

I think the same, unfortunately our european politicians have alienated Russia so much that they will now chose to be on the side of the Ost (China+India) and this is the end of west hegemonie.

PIERRE WOODMAN wrote: ↑

Fri Apr 01, 2022 5:40 pm

I listened a very interesting interview of a french General who explained the Russian always start the same way in every war, they use the old weapons ( not modern enough to be top precise like the Israelian for instance ) old Tank and truck and the less experienced warriors, often very young , and a small quantity ( 140 000 ) !!!

I would do the same, especially if I am fighting about a weaker enemy like Ukraine. I would start slow and use the old equipment first.

But lets face it, Russia has huge capacity of soldiers and weapons and their military industry is a closed circuit and dont need western parts, they can produce forever. And they are a people that is willing to suffer for a goal, remember how they were able to beat the Wehrmacht in a titanic war. People in the West are very naive because they believe that everyone hast to think and feel like they do and they want to put their moral standards onto everyone. They believe that their wars in foreign countries are justified but when russia does the same, they scream.

PIERRE WOODMAN wrote: ↑

Sat Apr 02, 2022 5:42 am

When I see how looks Mariopol now I'm just petrified and sad for all people there ... It's a huge crime to have transformed beautiful this beautiful city in a ruin with so many souls passing away ...

PW

Конечно жаль Мариуполь, потому что это город на Домбассе, который РОССИЯ, а НЕ УКРАИНА! будет восстанавливать!
Ответьте на вопросы. Почему "Азовцы", имея огромную группировку около 30000 военнослужащих и огромное количество военной техники, не вышли из Мариуполя, когда начались военные действия? Почему они не эвакуировали мирных людей из города, а наоборот специально удерживали их в домах? Почему они оборудовали огневые точки на крышах многоэтажных домов, которые в связи с этим имеют сейчас разрушения, почему они раставляли военную технику возле жилых домов, школ, медицинский учреждений? Да потому что им плевать на этих людей. Они никогда не считали их своими людьми. И это не мое личное утверждение, доказательств этому в интернете огромное количество, достаточно только захотеть и поискать. Естественно, если делать выводы по таким пабликам, как "La Stampa" или "The New York Post", которые выдают фото разрушенных домов в Донецке, за дома в Киеве, чтобы такие как "El_Maior" ныли тут сидели потом, то извените, так вы никогда не узнаете истину.
Вот фото на главной странице "The New York Post" от 30 марта 2022 года.

Этот дом, находится в Донецке, был разрушен украинской ракетой "Точка-У". И это очень легко проверить, потому что все эти фотографии были размещены в донецких пабликах много раньше и снимались различными Российскими и Домбасскими СМИ. Напомню, в Киеве российский войск нет.

Вот фото на главной странице "La Stampa".

Это фото с улиц Донецка, после того, как по Донецку был нанесен удар украинской ракетой "Точка-У" с запрещенным всеми международными конвенциями касетным боеприпасом. Тогда погибли более 20 мирных жителей Донецка. Все это также легко поверить, если захотеть. Это все транслировалось по всем информационным каналам России.
А все остальные западные СМИ, их просто копируют.

НЕ давайте использовать себя. Вами наглым образом манипулируют и выставляют за идиотов.
Что касается жителей Мариуполя, то все они бегут в Россию, и говорят в унисон, кто главная причина всех их бед, и это не Российская Армия. Скоро вы все узнаете, непосредственно из уст жителей Мариуполя, потерпите немного.

Of course I feel sorry for Mariupol, because it is a city in Dombass, which RUSSIA, NOT UKRAINE! will be rebuilding!
Answer the questions. Why didn't the "Azovists", with a huge grouping of about 30,000 troops and a huge amount of military equipment, leave Mariupol when hostilities began? Why did they not evacuate civilians from the city, but instead deliberately kept them in their homes? Why did they set up firing points on the roofs of high-rise buildings, which are now destroyed, why did they place military equipment near residential buildings, schools, medical facilities? Because they don't give a damn about these people. They never considered them their people. And that's not my personal statement, there's plenty of evidence for that on the internet, you just have to want to look it up. Naturally, if to draw conclusions from such sub-publics as "La Stampa" or "The New York Post", which pass off photos of destroyed houses in Donetsk, for houses in Kiev, so that people like "El_Maior" whine to sit here then, excuse me, so you will never learn the truth.

Here is the photo on the front page of The New York Post from March 30, 2022.

This house, located in Donetsk, was destroyed by a Ukrainian Tochka-U missile. And it's very easy to verify, because all of these photos were posted in the Donetsk sub-publics much earlier and were taken by various Russian and Dombassian media outlets. Let me remind you, there are no Russian troops in Kiev.

Here is the photo on the main page of La Stampa.

This is a photo from the streets of Donetsk, after Donetsk was struck by a Ukrainian Tochka-U missile with a cassette munition banned by all international conventions. More than 20 Donetsk civilians were killed at the time. All of this is also easy to believe if one wants to. It was all broadcast on all Russian news channels.
And all the rest of the Western media, they just copy them.

Do NOT let yourself be used. You are brazenly manipulated and made to look like idiots.
As for the residents of Mariupol, they are all fleeing to Russia, and they say in unison who is the main cause of all their troubles, and it is not the Russian Army. Soon you will know everything, directly from the mouth of the inhabitants of Mariupol, be patient for a while.

Look
Yesterday I saw the Red Cross people explaining seriously about the 160 000 still leaving in Marioupol and in need to be exfiltred from the city who has no more food and water !!!
So this is not a manipulation….
Ukrain accuse Red Cross to be pro Russians but it’s just bullshit, they do the job and are serious !!!

About Vitaly5, please try to understand I would like everyone to be able give his opinion because it’s important to listen two sounds for every conflictual situation.
But please Vitaly, I would like you stop transform this place in a Russian propaganda place.
Expose your view if you want but with concret things not just as a tribun in the arena but like a normal person speaking about his convictions !!!

For now myself back in Europe since few days and listening the news and even french president :


I have the feeling the new name of all European citizens is Vladimir Putin because the sanctions are more for us than for him !!!
I really feel at the end just after the poor Ukraine we will be the big loser of this conflict and the way Occident will have behave the first month, running like a bull on the wall will create a chaos destroying our economy and millions of lives … in europe !!! ( I am less scared for Americans of course )

Until now Putin did not changed anything in his program but in europe the life of many people has changed a lot. So first the Covid and now the war.
We are really in good shape for the future especially when you read this ( sorry it’s from a huge french information newspaper ) you should try translate it because it’s just insane what Ursula von der Leyen and Joe Biden have agreed in Poland on March 25 about the possibility for USA to access all Europeans citizens personal data but of course the opposite will never exist …

https://www.francesoir.fr/videos-lentre ... ric-denece

PW

PIERRE WOODMAN wrote: ↑

Sat Apr 02, 2022 7:47 am

About Vitaly5, please try to understand I would like everyone to be able give his opinion because it’s important to listen two sounds for every conflictual situation.
But please Vitaly, I would like you stop transform this place in a Russian propaganda place.
Expose your view if you want but with concret things not just as a tribun in the arena but like a normal person speaking about his convictions !!!

А я никому не навязываю свое мнение. Просто стараюсь сподвигнуть людей на большую объективность, и чтобы они анализировали любую поступающую к ним информацию. Если им это не нужно, ну что же, я не растроюсь. То что я отстаиваю свою точку зрения, параллельно комментируя чужие мнения, с которыми я не согласен, ни в этом ли смысл дискуссии? Есть одна мудрость: "В споре, рождается истина". Почему я должен соглашаться с теми, с кем я не согласен? Вы сами знаете, что в этой ветке форума больше противников моей точке зрения, чем сторонников, по этому я отвечаю всем. Да, где то жестко, но обсуждаемый вопрос очень эмоциональный. Я являюсь гражданином, чья страна, является стороной конфликта и для меня этот вопрос крайне важный. При всем уважении, Вы все таки сторонний наблюдатель. Я русский, если Вы считаете, что все что я говорю "российская пропаганда", это Ваше право, но я все таки стараюсь предъявлять какие-то документальные доказательства и аргументировать точку зрения, в отличии от тех, кто просто пытаеться эмоционально высказываться не конкретизируя, откуда он берет ту или иную информацию и аргументацию.

And I'm not imposing my opinion on anyone. I'm just trying to encourage people to be more objective, and to analyze any information that comes to them. If they don't need it, well, I'm not upset. Just because I defend my point of view while commenting on other people's opinions that I don't agree with, isn't that the point of discussion? There is a wisdom that says, "In argument, truth is born. Why should I agree with those with whom I disagree? You know yourself that there are more opponents of my point of view than supporters in this forum thread, so I reply to everyone. Yes, it's harsh in places, but the issue under discussion is very emotional. I am a citizen whose country is a party to a conflict and for me this issue is very important. With all due respect, you are a bystander. I am Russian, if you think that everything I say is "Russian propaganda", it is your right, but I still try to show some documentary evidence and argue my point of view, unlike those who just try to make emotional statements without specifying where they get this or that information and arguments.

There is opinions and there is facts. And you can try to sound as intellectual as you want but your russian propaganda is straight up embarrassing and sickening. We can actually see cities like Mariupol being destroyed and rockets hitting civilians in many other cities.

But your objective opinion will try to tell us Ukraine is bombing themselves... OK then