Valmont wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 20, 2022 9:01 pm

Well you know, I think that the leaving of Einy and Liabiatyd is a bit stupid and ridiculous.
Because on the topic about war between Russia and Ukraine, a great majority of guys are on their side. Even me.

They seemed to discover only now, after ten years on the forum, that Pierre was a Putin's fan and not a great fan of the US....
IMO, they just took this false pretext to leave, because they are tired to be on this forum. With the years, Einy became more and more sarcastic and gave lessons to everybody, even to Pierre ; Liabiatyd I dont know, he seemed very cool and still wanted to release ancient castings to discover them with us....Its a bit stupid because they were 10year members so everything here was free for them....now they are obliged to pay to watch the marvellous casting of OLIVIA SPARKLE.

We are here to watch beautiful girls gettIng sex...Not to discuss about politics.
Me, I disagree almost everytime with Pierre about politics but I could understand why he's thinking like that. He is not stupid, he has his reasons, he wants to protect his family which is the most important thing for him. And he was fascinated by a great figure of power. And now I am sure he could understand the problems of Ukrainian people.
I disagree with him but I will not leave this site and forum BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE ALWAYS MORE IMPORTANT THAN THEIR OPINIONS.
I am almost sure that if I met Einy, I would not appreciate his spirit and his behaviour even if we share the same opinions. I am quite sure I will find Pierre is a great guy, very sympathetic, even if we disagree about politics.
Thats the point.
Pierre is the owner of the site and is enough tolerant to let the freedom of speech to everybody here, even to his enemies until it will become unbearable to all the people. Sometimes I admire him to let people talk bad things and not to stop them from the beginning...And some faithful members wanted him not to express his opinions or to change his opinions and disagreed enough to leave. Thats ridiculous because they are less tolerant than him.

Although I agree with you on a lot of things you say her in the first half of your post I dont agree with you on the last part.
I like Pierre but I actually liked Eintrach a lot .Maybe he was a bit harsh somethimes but some of his humor was the best on this site imo and I really would like him to return.

Maybe you had some problems with him that I dont understand . I actually think he was joking with you most of the time. I have no problems with you at all Valmont but I have to disagree and say I think I would like both Pierre and Eintracht if I met them

Valmont wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 20, 2022 9:01 pm

And some faithful members wanted him not to express his opinions or to change his opinions and disagreed enough to leave. Thats ridiculous because they are less tolerant than him.

@El Major : even in the last part of my post, you could agree with these sentences.
You know, good and real humor is particular and begins very often by yourself.
Einy was funny sometimes, yes, but I never saw him laughing at himself . Thats the real sign of humor.
Pierre did it many times. Maybe he has more humor.
But if Einy and Liabiatyd want to come back, why not. The door is open. Nobody forced them to leave.
But when somebody announces his leaving like Einy in a so theatrical way, I dont really like it, I had recently some examples in my professional life, it seems very Insincere and melodramatic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_FeT5UBs0A

Valmont wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 20, 2022 11:23 pm

Valmont wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 20, 2022 9:01 pm

And some faithful members wanted him not to express his opinions or to change his opinions and disagreed enough to leave. Thats ridiculous because they are less tolerant than him.

@El Major : even in the last part of my post, you could agree with these sentences.
You know, good and real humor is particular and begins very often by yourself.
Einy was funny sometimes, yes, but I never saw him laughing at himself . Thats the real sign of humor.
Pierre did it many times. Maybe he has more humor.
But if Einy and Liabiatyd want to come back, why not. The door is open. Nobody forced them to leave.
But when somebody announces his leaving like Einy in a so theatrical way, I dont really like it, I had recently some examples in my professional life, it seems very Insincere and melodramatic.

I think Eintracht is a German. Germans are often quite insecure and worry that people don't understand correctly what they mean. So normally a German will make very sure that there are no misunderstandings...... can maybe look a bit theatrical

If someone wants to leave a forum based on their firm political beliefs and if they feel that Pierre's opinion has been a shock revelation which is opposed to everything they stood for and what they initially thought about him, then it is totally their right and their choice. People can also say they don't like it but they have to accept this. The same way people have to accept Pierre's opinion which I don't agree with myself , but is necessary to move forward. I don't have to leave this forum because of politics, I'm here for the girls, but obviously it's not the same for others. Nobody can say this is right or wrong because everyone is different.

I agree with almost everything, they are free to leave and also to come back if they want BUT

JohnWick wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 21, 2022 8:51 pm

if they feel that Pierre's opinion has been a shock revelation which is opposed to everything they stood for and what they initially thought about him.

1) They were here more than 10 years, they already knew before that Pierre was a Putin's fan. So I dont know which shock revelation they could discover. Only one month was enough for me to discover that.

2) Pierre explained many times that his position had evolved and he was not a Putin's fan anymore. so what did they want more from him, to bend his knee in front of them? He just added that in his opinion Putin was not the only person responsible of the situation in Ukrain and that all the situation is maybe more complicated. Maybe he is right, maybe he is wrong but I think he explained that so kindly and in a tolerant way, it is stupid not to accept he could have his opinion as he accept others opinions, ours, on his site, and it is more stupid again to be less tolerant than him by leaving. Thats all.

Valmont wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 21, 2022 10:29 pm

1) They were here more than 10 years, they already knew before that Pierre was a Putin's fan. So I dont know which shock revelation they could discover. Only one month was enough for me to discover that.

They knew Pierre was a Putin fan. They did not know that Putin was going to kill innocent women and children!!! You can't be that daft to not understand why they left and you can't force people to stay for the reasons you believe they should for which they obviously don't. Now I do not support Pierre's opinions on this subject but I choose to stay. Am I wrong for staying? Eintracht would say yes. If I left then you would say I'm stupid like them

Yes, but the way Einy choose to leave, was the worse, as he had the possibility to just not log in anymore, or talk to PW in private mail, he and Pierre already talk in mail about various subject, but Ein choose the drama way, the shit way, the bordelo way, like a woman who break up all stuff in your appartement after have been displeased, its exactly the same here with his "this is wrong, im leaving bye bye " , as this is gold butter for Lara Malvo from the dark side forum, who used this for vomit on PW at the dark place.

The main problem with this topic and some others in this Forum is NOT about different opinions...It is rather what become personal attacks about anothers' intelligence or masculinity or emotional age or whatever...

It cuts both ways...you cannot expect respect if none is given. A true dialogue requires putting emotions to the side so the differences can be discussed without feeling under attack...your position can be attacked BUT you as a person cannot be if anything positive is to be expected.... Anything else is pissing into the wind...or as my Grandfather used to say "Never get into a pissing contest with a skunk as it is counterproductive and you both end up stinking..."

Dialogue not denigration...

I have no idea why Eintracht is still being criticized for leaving or the way he left. Its well within his rights . I dont think he was looking for drama but I got pissed off over a very imporant issue. This war is having an impact on peoples life , the eonomy etc all over now. Most of all in Ukraine obvioulsy and the images are distrurbing. This was not a minor disagreement on a non issue. I have seen people here leave in a dramatic way becasue of a delay on the update of their favourtite girls . Also their rights but that is childish. Not the same at all imo.

There is a reason why companies try to stay out of politics , especially controversial opinions. Very few that does not have an interested in your product will suddenly be interested becasue of politics but you risk losing customers that actually like your product . Obvioulsy Pierre has the right to engage in politics but I would like this site to have as many members as possible so he stands stronger against his competitors.

And Pierre know his opinions are not exactly the majority opionion. In my country I dont have any single friend co worker or anybody else I know that does not blaim Putin for this war. You can count on one hand politicians from the far left all the way to the far right that does not put this on Putin. And you an see the support for Ukraine all over the world. No matter what the Russia /Ukraine conflict was, going to war with all the human suffering following was a horrible decision. Even russians are now leaving beasue Putin is going full dictator tightening the grip in Russia.


I have also seen Pierre voice his opinions about french politics etc and have seen him be positive about Zemmour, he likes Orban . Guys that speak positive about Putin . There was no suprise. But I was still dissapointed that view did not change at the start of this war. There is a difference understanding Pierre liked Putin and still supporing him after going to this needless war like it seems Eintracht and Liab thought.

Like JohnWick I am here for the girls. I also happen to like a lot of other things about Pierre so I am not leaving becasue of politics. If politics was everything families would lose contact with eachother becasue of disagreement on tax levels , immigration etc . You have to be able to disagree.

And Pierre has also has moderated his views on Putin and speak more about the suffering of the ukrainian people.