Bobby wrote: ↑

Sun Mar 06, 2022 9:37 am

Hi Pierre,

I really hope that this discussion is not getting to the point there you are tired of running the forum and this website.

People like to win, and a war of words can be very destructive, the same as a war with bullets.... so get don't get too much involved.

I personally have my views on this Ukraine war: some like them - cool, some maybe hate my views - no problem at all



Imagine you are in the middle of an very expensive shoot. And during a break someone gets the bright idea to start a political discussion. Then the main actresses refuse to continue to work together because of opposing political views....

Mixing business and politics is mostly a piss poor idea

Don't worry I'm not gonna stop;my forum because there is a war somewhere and the big hyena of this world want use Ukrain as kindergarden to play their dirty games !!!

Mixing business and politics is mostly a piss poor idea

100 %

Having 35 years of expérience in travels, doesn't change the fact that, when you open a windows in France, you hear birds singings, and in Ukrain, you open a windows, you hear bombs falling, this is unfortunaly real,

True on the paper but when teachers are beheaded in french schools, how do you call that???

The good life ???

Le fait qu'un discours soit tenu par des officiels n'interdit en rien la critique à partir du moment où elle repose sur des éléments fiables et des analyses construites.

Juste mais dans quelle mesure peut on être certain de ce qu'on nous raconte ??? Il y a tellement d'intox de partout qu'il est difficile de savoir ou est la vérité !!!

What I know for sure some people in Ukrain are in very difficult situation, it's true and sad !!!
I have had a long discussion yesterday with Elle Rose and she is very courageous, as also Lilly Ray and many others like Joséphine Jackson who was in Budapest and decided with courage to go in Ukrain few days ago.
So yes this conflict is a terrible thing, but the way occident handle it is not so good in my opinion and it's enough to see how people here are ready to burn anyone who disagree with him to understand why our world is so crazy !!!

PW

PIERRE WOODMAN wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 07, 2022 12:11 pm

it's enough to see how people here are ready to burn anyone who disagree with him to understand why our world is so crazy !!!

PW

Exactly! This is one of the major problems right now.. Having a different opinion is illegal!

Different opinions are welcomed ...as long as they are based on generally understood facts...one can say they believe the sky is green but that would be open to dispute (ie an opinion) but not a fact. If the facts are not understood by all then all of the discussions are simply blowing hot air and enjoying listening/hearing/reading ones own ideas...A total waste of time.

Just thought I would add my own voice/words/ opinion about this topic...peace. Out.

Pierre,

C'est certains qu'il y'a beaucoup d'intox actuellement, que ce soit sur le COVID où la crise actuelle en Ukraine. Il faut que nous soyons tous vigilants sur les affirmations russes comme celles de l'Ukraine.

C'est une constante dans toute guerre que chaque camp avance ses arguments avec pour objectif de gagner la guerre de l'opinion.

A l'issue de ce conflit, il faudra faire un retour d'expérience et tirer au clair l'attitude de chaque camp. Ce n'est pas aujourd'hui que nous pouvons faire ce travail. Aujourd'hui nous ne pouvons que constater qu'il y'a une guerre.

victoria3conf wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 07, 2022 2:42 pm

PIERRE WOODMAN wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 07, 2022 12:11 pm

it's enough to see how people here are ready to burn anyone who disagree with him to understand why our world is so crazy !!!

PW

Exactly! This is one of the major problems right now.. Having a different opinion is illegal!

Its not actually. You can state your opinion. Others can agree or think you opinion stinks and say it. Pretty weird that people get so offended when they get pushback no matter how absurd or non fact based their opinions are.

If you are in Russia you can actually end up in jail if you state your opinion about the war though.

Pretty big difference right there

bibijones wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 07, 2022 5:35 pm

Pierre,

C'est certains qu'il y'a beaucoup d'intox actuellement, que ce soit sur le COVID où la crise actuelle en Ukraine. Il faut que nous soyons tous vigilants sur les affirmations russes comme celles de l'Ukraine.

C'est une constante dans toute guerre que chaque camp avance ses arguments avec pour objectif de gagner la guerre de l'opinion.

A l'issue de ce conflit, il faudra faire un retour d'expérience et tirer au clair l'attitude de chaque camp. Ce n'est pas aujourd'hui que nous pouvons faire ce travail. Aujourd'hui nous ne pouvons que constater qu'il y'a une guerre.

Yeah . One side will put you in jail if you have a different opinion than the official Russia view. So lets call it 50/50 on who to trust

No facts at all exists apparently

I suggest everyone to calm down and wait what will be next step because for now it's obvious Putin don't push as much as he could ( he can do much stronger things if he wants ) and european sanctions in my opinion hurt more right now the people living in EU than Russians !!!

So I hope soon there will be a pacific issue, everyone has the right to dream no ???

PW

PIERRE WOODMAN wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 07, 2022 6:32 pm

I suggest everyone to calm down and wait what will be next step because for now it's obvious Putin don't push as much as he could and european sanctions in my opinion hurt more right now the people living in EU than Russians !!!

So I hope soon there will be a pacific issue, everyone has the right to dream no ???

PW

Seriously what makes you think the sanctions hurt EU more than Russia? Source please .

El Major wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 07, 2022 6:34 pm

PIERRE WOODMAN wrote: ↑

Mon Mar 07, 2022 6:32 pm

I suggest everyone to calm down and wait what will be next step because for now it's obvious Putin don't push as much as he could and european sanctions in my opinion hurt more right now the people living in EU than Russians !!!

So I hope soon there will be a pacific issue, everyone has the right to dream no ???

PW

Seriously what makes you think the sanctions hurt EU more than Russia? Source please .

Simple math for example:

Oil price spikes to $139 on talks about Russia oil ban, Iran deal delay
https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2022/0 ... il-prices/

Means Putin is raking it in selling oil at the moment, at the Western economy will go down the toilet with energy prices at this level,,,,,,,in the long run with chances of political unrest in the West if unemployment goes through the roof and people can no longer afford fuel for their cars...

Absolutely !!!

and you can add to this what NOBODY speaks NOWHERE about, the fact Putin could CUT THE CABLE OF THE WWW under the ocean !!!
Our dear internet can be down in a second if he wants ... Try to imagine the world then ...

PW